ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it true.

Competitive players could care less about playing with their friends in school.

The playing with their friends in school stuff just sounds so ridiculous. Especially above elementary school.

Then they want to call it an 'Elite' league

I agree

Thats why I think ECNL wanting to change from BY to SY is such an odd thing to do. Everything works as is. Making the change actually harm ECNL member clubs. ECNL leadership is not acting in their customers best interests.

This feels more like a grudge ECNL leadership has against US Soccer. It also feels like all the NCAA lawsuits have them freaked out so they're going all in to try and squash things early.

If a group like USYS or AYSO wanted to change to SY so their players could play on teams with kids their grade iit would make sense.

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I think it’s still 50/50 with a slight edge to ecnl.

At the end of the day, they hold all the cards and unfortunately, if leagues (girls) choose not to go SY, they are risking dying off.

On the other hand, US Soccer has the final say. US Soccer will have to listen to the youth leagues.

Last, I will say that deals most likely had to be made in order for this to go through.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

US Soccer is who pushed BY though in 2017 that's why.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

ECNL said federation has influence not authority here so some moot positions being floated around about the federations stance.

[Anonymous]

Is there any chance that USSF repeals the birth year mandate and just pushes it to down to the various sanctioning bodies to make their own decisions?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

ECNL said federation has influence not authority here so some moot positions being floated around about the federations stance.

What they meant was that ECNL has multiple options to achieve SY. Even if US Soccer says no ECNL can implement SY in different ways.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it true.

Competitive players could care less about playing with their friends in school.

Competitive players and their parents (and DCUM folks) don't make the rules for youth soccer of course.

As stewards of youth soccer, ECNL telegraphed an increased numbers of kids playing soccer with the change to SY as a reason and asked for all to challenge their reasons for changing to SY. The only reason given was the short term being messy.

So expect it to be a reason for the change, if a change happens.

Arguing why you don't believe changing to SY will increase the number of kids playing soccer is futile. Heck, USSF listed relative age effects as a reason for the switch to birth year a few years ago and I don't anybody actually believed that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there any chance that USSF repeals the birth year mandate and just pushes it to down to the various sanctioning bodies to make their own decisions?

Anything is possible.

I think US Soccer would want to have a voice in something that could affect all of youth soccer.

It's kind of why US Soccer exists in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it true.

Competitive players could care less about playing with their friends in school.

Competitive players and their parents (and DCUM folks) don't make the rules for youth soccer of course.

As stewards of youth soccer, ECNL telegraphed an increased numbers of kids playing soccer with the change to SY as a reason and asked for all to challenge their reasons for changing to SY. The only reason given was the short term being messy.

So expect it to be a reason for the change, if a change happens.

Arguing why you don't believe changing to SY will increase the number of kids playing soccer is futile. Heck, USSF listed relative age effects as a reason for the switch to birth year a few years ago and I don't anybody actually believed that.

So you're admitting that by changing from BY to SY youth clubs will lose money. This is something we both agree on.

I do not agree that aligning to SY will bring more players than what exists now.

[Anonymous]

It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it true.

Competitive players could care less about playing with their friends in school.

Competitive players and their parents (and DCUM folks) don't make the rules for youth soccer of course.

As stewards of youth soccer, ECNL telegraphed an increased numbers of kids playing soccer with the change to SY as a reason and asked for all to challenge their reasons for changing to SY. The only reason given was the short term being messy.

So expect it to be a reason for the change, if a change happens.

Arguing why you don't believe changing to SY will increase the number of kids playing soccer is futile. Heck, USSF listed relative age effects as a reason for the switch to birth year a few years ago and I don't anybody actually believed that.

So you're admitting that by changing from BY to SY youth clubs will lose money. This is something we both agree on.

I do not agree that aligning to SY will bring more players than what exists now.

I read PP's point as, whether you agree or not is irrelevant, because the decision-makers seem to be in agreement that SY is likely to bring in more players.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

U. S. Soccer does not want to change BY to SY. It is not happening. Don't hold your breath.

Why does U.S. Soccer have to have a mandate for youth leagues re birth year vs. school year? That hasn't been explained in this entire thread.

ECNL said federation has influence not authority here so some moot positions being floated around about the federations stance.

What they meant was that ECNL has multiple options to achieve SY. Even if US Soccer says no ECNL can implement SY in different ways.

You sure? ECNL said, "...in theory a lot of different people could make the decision to do what they want. The Federation has some influence on that but there is a you know real question of whether there is any authority tied to it."

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it true.

Competitive players could care less about playing with their friends in school.

Competitive players and their parents (and DCUM folks) don't make the rules for youth soccer of course.

As stewards of youth soccer, ECNL telegraphed an increased numbers of kids playing soccer with the change to SY as a reason and asked for all to challenge their reasons for changing to SY. The only reason given was the short term being messy.

So expect it to be a reason for the change, if a change happens.

Arguing why you don't believe changing to SY will increase the number of kids playing soccer is futile. Heck, USSF listed relative age effects as a reason for the switch to birth year a few years ago and I don't anybody actually believed that.

So you're admitting that by changing from BY to SY youth clubs will lose money. This is something we both agree on.

I do not agree that aligning to SY will bring more players than what exists now.

I read PP's point as, whether you agree or not is irrelevant, because the decision-makers seem to be in agreement that SY is likely to bring in more players.

By decision makers do mean ECNL league leadership or club owners that will need to implement changing from BY to SY?

Sure seems like ECNL leadership wants to make a decision that may or may not pan out for clubs and club leadership is left with doing all the hard work.