ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

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When SY parents were complaining about their trapped players getting shafted and leaving wasn't the main response from BY parents basically "work harder, get better, quit complaining"?

So now the BY argument has shifted to players getting shafted and leaving shouldn't the same manta be applicable?

Or is hypocrisy just par for the course in this discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

Why would college soccer care that much when they have international transfers and MLS Next players to choose from ahead of ECNL?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

Why would college soccer care that much when they have international transfers and MLS Next players to choose from ahead of ECNL?

Women's college soccer

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

Why would college soccer care that much when they have international transfers and MLS Next players to choose from ahead of ECNL?

lol.. you know what I’m talking about.
The boys side ECNL is on its last leg. Everyone wants to play MLS Next.

The girls side is what’s being referred to.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

Why would college soccer care that much when they have international transfers and MLS Next players to choose from ahead of ECNL?

lol.. you know what I’m talking about.
The boys side ECNL is on its last leg. Everyone wants to play MLS Next.

The girls side is what’s being referred to.

Are they though? ECNL boys around here seems pretty competitive with the MLS Next clubs in the area...

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

Why would college soccer care that much when they have international transfers and MLS Next players to choose from ahead of ECNL?

lol.. you know what I’m talking about.
The boys side ECNL is on its last leg. Everyone wants to play MLS Next.

The girls side is what’s being referred to.

Are they though? ECNL boys around here seems pretty competitive with the MLS Next clubs in the area...

Go look at the rankings app. Go look at the YMNT. MLS Next is levels above

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it true.

Competitive players could care less about playing with their friends in school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

Why would college soccer care that much when they have international transfers and MLS Next players to choose from ahead of ECNL?

lol.. you know what I’m talking about.
The boys side ECNL is on its last leg. Everyone wants to play MLS Next.

The girls side is what’s being referred to.

Gotcha

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is going to get worse and worse the closer we get to Nov 22nd

Yep I'd imagine ECNL is regretting they stepped in this big stinking pile of poo.

The more people learn about BY and SY the more they realize it's better to just leave alone.

I do t think they are getting the response they thought they would. Everything is fine now.

College Soccer must really be applying pressure for them to change this.

Why would college soccer care that much when they have international transfers and MLS Next players to choose from ahead of ECNL?

lol.. you know what I’m talking about.
The boys side ECNL is on its last leg. Everyone wants to play MLS Next.

The girls side is what’s being referred to.

Are they though? ECNL boys around here seems pretty competitive with the MLS Next clubs in the area...

Go sit down with your crap.
League 1 is League 1 and League 2 is League 2

Even if a couple League 2 teams may be competitive with lower League 1 teams and there are players in L2 that can play in L1

MLS Next is League 1
ECNL is a part of League 2

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it true.

Competitive players could care less about playing with their friends in school.

Exactly, the perceived benefits of switching BY to SY for ECNL member clubs is.

1. Easier for college recruiters / doesn't directly translate to $$$
2. Maybe more youngers because all the same age / losses $$$ and might or might not mean more $$$ in the future

This is a big pill for clubs to swallow for something with no short term benefits and dubious long term benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:SOCAL soccer people not going down without a fight.

Good morning everyone!

After the email that I sent yesterday regarding the US Soccer proposed birth year changes I received quite a bit on feedback. Based on some of the feedback I decided to create a questionnaire that our club leadership can

complete regarding this issue. Directors of Coaching should be completing this questionnaire.

It is important that we get your collective answers, questions and comments so that I can have the necessary data to provide US Club Soccer prior to the US Soccer vote in November. Your voices should be heard and taken into

consideration. There should be full transparency on this discussion and those of you in the trenches and on the field should be included in discussions on important changes such as this. My aim is to make that happen and while

I'll probably make some enemies along the way, it's the right thing to do. SOCAL is the largest market and the deepest talent pool when it comes to youth soccer in this country. Your opinions matter!

So please take a few minutes to complete this questionnaire and please do so no later than Wednesday, October 16 at 5pm. I'll be sharing the information with US Club Soccer later this week.

CLICK HERE for the questionnaire

Thank you

Michelle

This is just a show. The writing is already on the wall. There are too many gains for ECNL to move to SY. They will not pause. 11/22 is not a "vote" actually. It is an announcement.

Why go through all effort to collect club feedback on if BY or SY makes the most sense for SOCAL league members if it's a "done deal".

US Club Soccer and SOCAL make a lot of $$$ doing nothing other than maintaining a registry of players. If you alienate your customers they're going to go somewhere else for the same service.

The problem is the big clubs affiliated with SOCAL have ECNL, ECRL, NPL teams which will they openly go against ECNL?but I agree SOCAL league has a lot of influence and many of the teams are not playing in the higher level leagues.

And you are forgetting that they have paying customers with real concerns

The only problem is yes people will be upset but some people will be happy so that will cancel itself out. If anything your entry level club family will like the idea of little sussie getting to play with some friends from school that she has not been able to play with. Regardless of when they are born.

When you start getting to the RL/ECNL level is where parents will be upset. But ultimately they will just have to deal with the change if its approved, as this isn’t the clubs fault it fact they have deniability that this was above their pay grade.

In the end kids will still want to play soccer and life will go on. Just like when they switch to birth year. Yes change sucks but ultimately we all will just have to deal with it.

Or change nothing keep everything as is with BY and there's no risk for club owners.

If your neck was on the line which option would you choose?

Starting to see why BY makes more sense then another SY experiment?

I agree, I’m for SY but if I was a DOC it would make me nervous to have to make completely new teams.

Why? Every single club will have to go through the same change. If you’ve been focused on player development rather than win at all costs you should be comfortable creating a team from your existing NL and RL teams. I think the only cause for extreme concern is moving GKers. Losing a great one on your team could really hit morale if the ‘new’ team faces a losing year.

I think you have this reversed, because you’re assuming win at all costs = all January babies.

Win at all cost approaches will have the easiest time with this change.

Develop the player approaches are going to really be stuck, and in some cases will not have full rosters because the development plans and timelines will all be jacked up overnight.

Complete disagree but maybe club specific. A team in our club has 100% relied on a single scorer. She’s amazing, but no other player takes a shot, they pass to her. I’m guessing this has affected other players development and confidence. Similar situation with the center D. If the team/coach has relied too heavily on stars, they will be very nervous about the change.

I can see why players would leave the club because of BY to SY changes.

Please explain to me how changing from BY to SY will bring in new players to the club.

Q4 players on lower teams or weaker clubs will make the move. If a player on on the younger age group gets dropped down and quits because of it that's on them. So the Q4 kids should continue to play on lower teams but the displaced kids shouldn't? You all make no sense. This will help in the younger ages, for the older ages the girls dropping out may shift but it's not going to cause significantly more to quit playing soccer.

Ok so you've identified that changing from BY to SY will make players quit.

How will changing from BY to SY translate to more players?

Expect the increased number of soccer players over the longer term be a reason for the switch from birth year to school year. Whether DCUM participants understand or need to be convinced is irrelevant.

Just because you think something will happen doesn't make it true.

Competitive players could care less about playing with their friends in school.

The playing with their friends in school stuff just sounds so ridiculous. Especially above elementary school.

Then they want to call it an 'Elite' league