Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:These protests seem to be overhyped by the media to me. Columbia has 36k students, how many are protesting….a few hundred? And half of those are not students.

It seems like a bit of a fringe and not very mainstream on the universities. Vietnam protests this is not.

The GOP wants to milk this one all the way to the polls. Accuse them of all being pro-terrorism, all being Democrats, all being antisemitic. And it's BS.

Hmmmmmm.....
But, the Democrats NEVER do this to Republicans. Never ever.
They NEVER accuse them of being racist or white nationalists or xenophobic or any other "ism." Nope. Never.

Well, there is a subset of the GOP that panders to white nationalists. They ally themselves with people like the Proud Boys. And the entire party platform is anti-immigration. They regularly demonize immigrants as criminals, particularly murderers and rapists, ignoring how many are regular people with families, etc. So these accusations are based on public, professed behavior of self-identified GOP politicians and what self-identified GOP politicians say, how they vote in Congress, etc. If you vote for someone who holds these views, it means you support these ideas.

Versus, exaggerating and lying about the protests and claiming ALL the protesters are pro-Hamas and antisemitic. They are not. There are Jewish students among the protesters. There are many who are there because of Gaza civilians. That in itself is not antisemitic or pro-Hamas. Claiming all of them are violent and threatening Jewish students. They are not. Have they polled the protesters to find our their political party? No they haven't. They make assumptions based on the fact that some are college students. Are all college students registered Democrats? No.

It's typical GOP hyperbole and your response is typical GOP whataboutism.

OMG, get a clue. Do you have any idea what a gaslighter you are? With every post, you show just how disingenuous you are, eagerly detailing the "subset" of the GOP that "panders to white nationalists." Funny how you utterly ignore the LARGE subset of Democrats who are pro-Palestinian, who call Jews "Zionists," who deface property, disparage police, trespass, and then play the victim when they're arrested. Please stop pretending these protesters are anything but Democrats. LWNJs, to be more specific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests seem to be overhyped by the media to me. Columbia has 36k students, how many are protesting….a few hundred? And half of those are not students.

It seems like a bit of a fringe and not very mainstream on the universities. Vietnam protests this is not.

The GOP wants to milk this one all the way to the polls. Accuse them of all being pro-terrorism, all being Democrats, all being antisemitic. And it's BS.

Hmmmmmm.....
But, the Democrats NEVER do this to Republicans. Never ever.
They NEVER accuse them of being racist or white nationalists or xenophobic or any other "ism." Nope. Never.

Well, there is a subset of the GOP that panders to white nationalists. They ally themselves with people like the Proud Boys. And the entire party platform is anti-immigration. They regularly demonize immigrants as criminals, particularly murderers and rapists, ignoring how many are regular people with families, etc. So these accusations are based on public, professed behavior of self-identified GOP politicians and what self-identified GOP politicians say, how they vote in Congress, etc. If you vote for someone who holds these views, it means you support these ideas.

Versus, exaggerating and lying about the protests and claiming ALL the protesters are pro-Hamas and antisemitic. They are not. There are Jewish students among the protesters. There are many who are there because of Gaza civilians. That in itself is not antisemitic or pro-Hamas. Claiming all of them are violent and threatening Jewish students. They are not. Have they polled the protesters to find our their political party? No they haven't. They make assumptions based on the fact that some are college students. Are all college students registered Democrats? No.

It's typical GOP hyperbole and your response is typical GOP whataboutism.

Oh, the irony! You've been whatabouting throughout this thread, doing your level best to somehow change the topic away from liberals and onto Republicans. Newsflash: everyone is fully aware of who the protesters are, who is funding them, and who is to blame. THE LEFT.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I find the belligerent stupidity of pro-Palestinian protesters really fascinating. Getting commencements cancelled at prominent universities. Burning American flags. Defacing statues. The Hamas worship. The brainless slogans. I can't think of a more effective way to turn American opinion against Palestinians.

Methinks it might be an elaborate Mossad operation. Progressive students can't really be this dumb, can they?

I agree 100%. And yes. They really are this dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:if the protestors demand is for their colleges to divest from investments that support Israel, why don't they divest themselves by withdrawing from their university and taking their tuition dollars to a different university that invests to their liking?

+1000

Best comment on the issue right here, folks.

No, it’s a stupid comment. “Love it or leave it” is deplorable. Students have every right to protest the university investment strategy.

DP.

While simultaneously benefitting from that strategy to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in direct aid and scholarships, plus benefitting indirectly from facilities, activities, staff, support, etc.?

Certainly agree that they have every right to protest, but seems a bit hypocritical. Kinda like an environmental activist driving a gas-guzzling SUV.

Shouldn't these activists vote with their feet?

The idea that one can’t or shouldn’t push for systemic change unless one’s personal life meets some purity test established by supporters of the system is a pernicious and dumb idea.

Not the point I made.

Again, I support their right to protest (though I disagree with some of the aims and methods).

My argument: fine to criticize the system, but if the system is so wildly unjust, then one should ALSO refrain from directly benefitting from said horribly unjust system. Right?

I'm not suggesting a "purity test"; I'm suggesting these kids put their money where their mouth is.

So if I protest the US govt, I should leave the US and not benefit any more from being a citizen?

A more apt comparison: you shouldn't take benefits from the government related to programs you find objectionable/immoral.

It's the equivalent of an anti-welfare RWNJ applying for and accepting welfare benefits.

Or to look at it from a consumer perspective, it's like protesting Chick-Fil-A's stance on gay rights, then walking in and buying a value meal.

+1 very hypocritical

Or...you could view it as trying to promote positive change at an institution that means a great deal to you.

What good does just walking away do? Nothing. Protesting for positive change is a good thing.

DP. But they have been told NO and refuse to take it as an answer. In short, the continued demands for something that will not be granted is the behavior of a toddler. They've (more than) made their "demands" clear, now it's time to shut up and get the hell out of everyone else's way.

That's probably what the people said to the Civil Rights activists. And the Vietnam War activists. And the Women's rights activists. Change is hard, we know, and sometimes you have to stand up for what is right, even when those in power say no. It doesn't mean you break things, but you continue your peaceful protests. And you keep finding ways to spread the message.

Anyone who is pro-Hamas is on the wrong side of history. But peaceful protest of the slaughter of civilians in Gaza by the government of Israel is on the right side of history. Supporters of Israel know there is a difference but try to demonize the latter, because they don't want to admit that.

This is nothing like either the civil rights or anti-Vietnam war protests. Those had wide support. These don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests seem to be overhyped by the media to me. Columbia has 36k students, how many are protesting….a few hundred? And half of those are not students.

It seems like a bit of a fringe and not very mainstream on the universities. Vietnam protests this is not.

The GOP wants to milk this one all the way to the polls. Accuse them of all being pro-terrorism, all being Democrats, all being antisemitic. And it's BS.

The administrators who are catering to the Kill the Jews crowd are all Democrats. Northwestern is giving in to demands and giving scholarships to Palestinians, while Ben Sasse at U Florida is expelling students.

+1
Excellent piece by Ben Sasse:

Students are taught to divide the world into immutable categories of oppressors and oppressed, and to make sweeping judgements accordingly. With little regard for historical complexity, personal agency or individual dignity, much of what passes for sophisticated thought is quasireligious fanaticism.

The results are now on full display. Students steeped in this dogma chant violent slogans like “by any means necessary.” Any? Paraglider memes have replaced Che Guevara T-shirts. But which paragliders—the savages who raped teenage girls at a concert? “From the river to the sea.” Which river? Which sea?

Young men and women with little grasp of geography or history—even recent events like the Palestinians’ rejection of President Clinton’s offer of a two-state solution—wade into geopolitics with bumper-sticker slogans they don’t understand. For a lonely subset of the anxious generation, these protest camps can become a place to find a rare taste of community. This is their stage to role-play revolution. Posting about your “allergen-free” tent on the quad is a lot easier than doing real work to uplift the downtrodden.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-adults-are-still-in-charge-at-the-university-of-florida-israel-protests-tents-sasse-eca6389b?st=odgayhgacmo93em&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests seem to be overhyped by the media to me. Columbia has 36k students, how many are protesting….a few hundred? And half of those are not students.

It seems like a bit of a fringe and not very mainstream on the universities. Vietnam protests this is not.

The GOP wants to milk this one all the way to the polls. Accuse them of all being pro-terrorism, all being Democrats, all being antisemitic. And it's BS.

Hmmmmmm.....
But, the Democrats NEVER do this to Republicans. Never ever.
They NEVER accuse them of being racist or white nationalists or xenophobic or any other "ism." Nope. Never.

Well, there is a subset of the GOP that panders to white nationalists. They ally themselves with people like the Proud Boys. And the entire party platform is anti-immigration. They regularly demonize immigrants as criminals, particularly murderers and rapists, ignoring how many are regular people with families, etc. So these accusations are based on public, professed behavior of self-identified GOP politicians and what self-identified GOP politicians say, how they vote in Congress, etc. If you vote for someone who holds these views, it means you support these ideas.

Versus, exaggerating and lying about the protests and claiming ALL the protesters are pro-Hamas and antisemitic. They are not. There are Jewish students among the protesters. There are many who are there because of Gaza civilians. That in itself is not antisemitic or pro-Hamas. Claiming all of them are violent and threatening Jewish students. They are not. Have they polled the protesters to find our their political party? No they haven't. They make assumptions based on the fact that some are college students. Are all college students registered Democrats? No.

It's typical GOP hyperbole and your response is typical GOP whataboutism.

OMG, get a clue. Do you have any idea what a gaslighter you are? With every post, you show just how disingenuous you are, eagerly detailing the "subset" of the GOP that "panders to white nationalists." Funny how you utterly ignore the LARGE subset of Democrats who are pro-Palestinian, who call Jews "Zionists," who deface property, disparage police, trespass, and then play the victim when they're arrested. Please stop pretending these protesters are anything but Democrats. LWNJs, to be more specific.

But it isn't a "large" subset of Democrats. Not even close. Keep in mind, many of these protestors are not students. And, these campuses have thousands to tens of thousands of students, and the protests are like a handful or certainly not even 1% of the student body.

Every party has a fringe. This is the fringe, the same people who may have voted for bernie instead of hillary, or aren't even green card holders or born americans to even be able to vote, so let's stop with the hyperbole

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests seem to be overhyped by the media to me. Columbia has 36k students, how many are protesting….a few hundred? And half of those are not students.

It seems like a bit of a fringe and not very mainstream on the universities. Vietnam protests this is not.

The GOP wants to milk this one all the way to the polls. Accuse them of all being pro-terrorism, all being Democrats, all being antisemitic. And it's BS.

Hmmmmmm.....
But, the Democrats NEVER do this to Republicans. Never ever.
They NEVER accuse them of being racist or white nationalists or xenophobic or any other "ism." Nope. Never.

+100
Remember, Democrats insisted ALL Republicans supported the J6 thugs. They continue to milk that - I'm sure the PP hasn't stopped nattering away about it.

The elected GOP who opposed the J6 thugs are no longer in the party. What is the point you are trying to make?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests seem to be overhyped by the media to me. Columbia has 36k students, how many are protesting….a few hundred? And half of those are not students.

It seems like a bit of a fringe and not very mainstream on the universities. Vietnam protests this is not.

The GOP wants to milk this one all the way to the polls. Accuse them of all being pro-terrorism, all being Democrats, all being antisemitic. And it's BS.

Hmmmmmm.....
But, the Democrats NEVER do this to Republicans. Never ever.
They NEVER accuse them of being racist or white nationalists or xenophobic or any other "ism." Nope. Never.

Well, there is a subset of the GOP that panders to white nationalists. They ally themselves with people like the Proud Boys. And the entire party platform is anti-immigration. They regularly demonize immigrants as criminals, particularly murderers and rapists, ignoring how many are regular people with families, etc. So these accusations are based on public, professed behavior of self-identified GOP politicians and what self-identified GOP politicians say, how they vote in Congress, etc. If you vote for someone who holds these views, it means you support these ideas.

Versus, exaggerating and lying about the protests and claiming ALL the protesters are pro-Hamas and antisemitic. They are not. There are Jewish students among the protesters. There are many who are there because of Gaza civilians. That in itself is not antisemitic or pro-Hamas. Claiming all of them are violent and threatening Jewish students. They are not. Have they polled the protesters to find our their political party? No they haven't. They make assumptions based on the fact that some are college students. Are all college students registered Democrats? No.

It's typical GOP hyperbole and your response is typical GOP whataboutism.

Oh, the irony! You've been whatabouting throughout this thread, doing your level best to somehow change the topic away from liberals and onto Republicans. Newsflash: everyone is fully aware of who the protesters are, who is funding them, and who is to blame. THE LEFT.
DP

they are being funded by Moussad and Russia. Why do you think this is a leftist movement? the whole thing is gaslighting.

[Anonymous]

Wow!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests seem to be overhyped by the media to me. Columbia has 36k students, how many are protesting….a few hundred? And half of those are not students.

It seems like a bit of a fringe and not very mainstream on the universities. Vietnam protests this is not.

The GOP wants to milk this one all the way to the polls. Accuse them of all being pro-terrorism, all being Democrats, all being antisemitic. And it's BS.

Hmmmmmm.....
But, the Democrats NEVER do this to Republicans. Never ever.
They NEVER accuse them of being racist or white nationalists or xenophobic or any other "ism." Nope. Never.

Well, there is a subset of the GOP that panders to white nationalists. They ally themselves with people like the Proud Boys. And the entire party platform is anti-immigration. They regularly demonize immigrants as criminals, particularly murderers and rapists, ignoring how many are regular people with families, etc. So these accusations are based on public, professed behavior of self-identified GOP politicians and what self-identified GOP politicians say, how they vote in Congress, etc. If you vote for someone who holds these views, it means you support these ideas.

Versus, exaggerating and lying about the protests and claiming ALL the protesters are pro-Hamas and antisemitic. They are not. There are Jewish students among the protesters. There are many who are there because of Gaza civilians. That in itself is not antisemitic or pro-Hamas. Claiming all of them are violent and threatening Jewish students. They are not. Have they polled the protesters to find our their political party? No they haven't. They make assumptions based on the fact that some are college students. Are all college students registered Democrats? No.

It's typical GOP hyperbole and your response is typical GOP whataboutism.

Oh, the irony! You've been whatabouting throughout this thread, doing your level best to somehow change the topic away from liberals and onto Republicans. Newsflash: everyone is fully aware of who the protesters are, who is funding them, and who is to blame. THE LEFT.
DP

they are being funded by Moussad and Russia. Why do you think this is a leftist movement? the whole thing is gaslighting.

Uh huh. Dream on.

President Joe Biden has been dogged for months by pro-Palestinian protesters calling him "Genocide Joe" — but some of the groups behind the demonstrations receive financial backing from philanthropists pushing hard for his reelection.

The donors include some of the biggest names in Democratic circles: Soros, Rockefeller and Pritzker, according to a POLITICO analysis.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pro-palestinian-protesters-are-backed-by-a-surprising-source-bidens-biggest-donors/ar-BB1lR484

[Anonymous]

Begins 2024

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These protests seem to be overhyped by the media to me. Columbia has 36k students, how many are protesting….a few hundred? And half of those are not students.

It seems like a bit of a fringe and not very mainstream on the universities. Vietnam protests this is not.

The GOP wants to milk this one all the way to the polls. Accuse them of all being pro-terrorism, all being Democrats, all being antisemitic. And it's BS.

Hmmmmmm.....
But, the Democrats NEVER do this to Republicans. Never ever.
They NEVER accuse them of being racist or white nationalists or xenophobic or any other "ism." Nope. Never.

Well, there is a subset of the GOP that panders to white nationalists. They ally themselves with people like the Proud Boys. And the entire party platform is anti-immigration. They regularly demonize immigrants as criminals, particularly murderers and rapists, ignoring how many are regular people with families, etc. So these accusations are based on public, professed behavior of self-identified GOP politicians and what self-identified GOP politicians say, how they vote in Congress, etc. If you vote for someone who holds these views, it means you support these ideas.

Versus, exaggerating and lying about the protests and claiming ALL the protesters are pro-Hamas and antisemitic. They are not. There are Jewish students among the protesters. There are many who are there because of Gaza civilians. That in itself is not antisemitic or pro-Hamas. Claiming all of them are violent and threatening Jewish students. They are not. Have they polled the protesters to find our their political party? No they haven't. They make assumptions based on the fact that some are college students. Are all college students registered Democrats? No.

It's typical GOP hyperbole and your response is typical GOP whataboutism.

OMG, get a clue. Do you have any idea what a gaslighter you are? With every post, you show just how disingenuous you are, eagerly detailing the "subset" of the GOP that "panders to white nationalists." Funny how you utterly ignore the LARGE subset of Democrats who are pro-Palestinian, who call Jews "Zionists," who deface property, disparage police, trespass, and then play the victim when they're arrested. Please stop pretending these protesters are anything but Democrats. LWNJs, to be more specific.

But it isn't a "large" subset of Democrats. Not even close. Keep in mind, many of these protestors are not students. And, these campuses have thousands to tens of thousands of students, and the protests are like a handful or certainly not even 1% of the student body.

Every party has a fringe. This is the fringe, the same people who may have voted for bernie instead of hillary, or aren't even green card holders or born americans to even be able to vote, so let's stop with the hyperbole

No doubt these are the fringe. But there is no denying they are YOUR fringe. LWNJs. And you have no idea how many of them are students or not. Doesn't really matter though - they're all united in spewing Hamas talking points and propaganda. Useful idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow!

Bravo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow!

One. An argument in favor collective punishment from federal judge is really, really terrible. They won’t hired Columbia undergrads who actually opposed the protests 8 years prior? This statement is so bad that . . .

Two. One might suspect these were all Trump nominees. You know, the ones the ABA rated as “unqualified”. That would be because . . .

Three. They are. Every single one nominated by Trump. I mean— Matthew Kaczmaryc? That should be Your first clue right there.

A couple other points. This makes the delegitimization and politicization problems the federal judiciary has been starting with Clarence and Ginnny Thomas (not helped by Aileen Cannon or Matty K) so. much. worse. John Robert must be ready to go postal.

Also, these MAGAtt pimped out the by thr Federalist Society were never going to hire liberal law clerks. They are heading for Hillsdale and Liberty grads anyway. And Ivy caliber law clerks would never work for them even if offered. Not all federal clerkships are created equal. Most a prestigious. But, there are exceptions. Some can be career killers. Interesting article about Aileen Cannon’s clerks quitting. Google “cannon law clerks quit”.

In fact, the only thing that is Wow! Here is that Cannon had the sense not to sign this. I guess if you’re a laughingstock long enough, you start making better choices.

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I don’t agree with PP at all in regards to their pints. I don’t think this is a good move by the judges. Be the adults. Interview people based on their resume. Hire based on that and their interview.