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Gaza War, Part 3
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Anonymous
Unfortunately, I believe this to be the case as well. Most of the protesters parrot the Hamas party line-- from the river to the sea, apartheid, racist, genocide, etc. There are also lots of foreign students who were brought up to hate Jews. I just saw a video, today, from Rudy Rachman (I think that's his name. He went to Columbia) He has been fighting Hamas and brought out tons of evidence that backs this assertion. People were demonstrating against Israel right after 10/7 before Israel struck back. That pretty much says everything that Jews need to know about the protesters. People can say, Oh you are shutting us down by saying we are pro-Hamas or antisemitic-- that is total and utter B.S. We know what you are, and we will always know what you are. I am not sure why people even bother denying it. It is so palpable. |
Anonymous
No... Comrade? It would be better to deradicalize them, but that won't be possible until Hamas is defeated. The many useful Marxist idiots among our colleagues, friends, and neighbors here would do well to see this reality more clearly, because they are playing right into the hands of, not only Hamas, but their backers Iran and Russia. |
Anonymous
And in refusing to acknowledge that killing indiscriminately simply creates more terrorists, Israel is also playing into Hamas' hands. And let's not forget that the Israeli right wing (looking at you, Netanyahu) spents decades and millions of dollars propping up Hamas so they wouldn't have to deal with the Palestinian Authority's demands for a two-state solution. How'd that work out? |
Anonymous
Where’s the hate and disinformation? Grow a set and try to list the “lies” with a straight face. There’s not a single thing in those three paragraphs that isn’t true. You are just freaking out because you cannot intimidate people into shutting TF up and enabling Israel to continue what it’s been doing for 76 years. |
Anonymous
Ok then answer the prior unanswered question. Who is it you want us to “call on” to release hostages? Who do you want us to call? Who do you want us to write? Given there is no support to Hamas from the U.S. where do you get the delusion that Hamas cares in the slightest about U.S. taxpayer opinion? |
Anonymous
I don’t need to intimidate you. You are shaking in your boots already. Posting hateful comments anonymously because you know that if anyone finds out how vile you are, you will be cancelled. Don’t worry, sweetheart, people suspect it already. |
Anonymous
Ok, Comrade. Your proteges' policy of Intifada and embrace of terrorist violence created Bibi and strengthened Israel's right wing. How did that work out for any of us? Except you, Comrade? Actually, Russia has been the winner of all of this incitement to violence against Jews. This is the decades-old Soviet campaign against the Jews that it promoted in its outreach and support to the developing world brought to terrible fruition: https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/contemporary-anti-zionisms-connections-soviet-propaganda https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/mahmoud-abbas-soviet-dissertation |
Anonymous
Tell us about this Israeli distinction between civilians in Hamas and its practical application in the ground. Are you saying Israel thinks premature babies in hospitals are secretly Hamas agents and that’s why they condemned them to death? |
Anonymous
Can you tell me which organ can be harvested and TRANSPLANTED from a decaying body? |
Anonymous
Ok so the Washington Post and Newsweek are now Hamas-fueled propaganda? I think you’ve lost the plot. |
Anonymous
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An incisive essay by Peter Beinart penned early after Oct 7. Longread but worth it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/14/opinion/palestinian-ethical-resistance-answers-grief-and-rage.html?unlocked_article_code=Chw9pPdgieGcc-P-taTJRz00hk8idJF_rINeMYm3H6O1LP3HZVKgzTLsY8fS6U59Lf-fTpUy9b5OSBvH1X7VCJuGBBn0Nei1Nw06RB41Yp4ZsqJbAafc-5M0kfD0hhVGsYcka9xCeJ9JEdAU93UwwKcz9glEa77I6vtPqNQx0rC6GVnNRIAj86RcGYaxfThI2eoyxLhxZt-JQRhL2dUJbaZCpq8SxNt2i3_2I1a8kIDfHaeHwNnwsVlyX9jIiE4fzwhUx8Tp8pjHMNXf6Wu5W5QJpINVpqrjvsynBg0g-pUh8FVBPJcDkG_CcDOrywCSkfGdenneS6WUHK6Yl0R4HTTqiPvsnXncOB3vU6ZdkiUbGIoIZQNIPR5Wec_0YA&smid=url-share Palestinians are not fundamentally different from other people facing oppression: When moral resistance doesn’t work, they try something else. In 1972, the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association, which was modeled on the civil rights movement in the United States, organized a march to oppose imprisonment without trial. Although some organizations, most notably the Provisional Irish Republican Army, had already embraced armed resistance, they grew stronger after British soldiers shot 26 unarmed civilians in what became known as Bloody Sunday. By the early 1980s, the Irish Republican Army had even detonated a bomb outside Harrods, the department store in London. As Kirssa Cline Ryckman, a political scientist, observed in a 2019 paper on why certain movements turn violent, a lack of progress in peaceful protest “can encourage the use of violence by convincing demonstrators that nonviolence will fail to achieve meaningful concessions.” Israel, with America’s help, has done exactly that. It has repeatedly undermined Palestinians who sought to end Israel’s occupation through negotiations or nonviolent pressure. As part of the 1993 Oslo Accords, the Palestine Liberation Organization renounced violence and began working with Israel — albeit imperfectly — to prevent attacks on Israelis, something that revolutionary groups like the A.N.C. and the Irish Republican Army never did while their people remained under oppression. At first, as Khalil Shikaki, a Palestinian political scientist, has detailed, Palestinians supported cooperation with Israel because they thought it would deliver them a state. In early 1996, Palestinian support for the Oslo process reached 80 percent while support for violence against Israelis dropped to 20 percent. The 1996 election of Benjamin Netanyahu, and the failure of Israel and its American patron to stop settlement growth, however, curdled Palestinian sentiment. Many Jewish Israelis believe that Ehud Barak, who succeeded Mr. Netanyahu, offered Palestinians a generous deal in 2000. Most Palestinians, however, saw Mr. Barak’s offer as falling far short of a fully sovereign state along the 1967 lines. And their disillusionment with a peace process that allowed Israel to entrench its hold over the territory on which they hoped to build their new country ushered in the violence of the second intifada. In Mr. Shikaki’s words, “The loss of confidence in the ability of the peace process to deliver a permanent agreement on acceptable terms had a dramatic impact on the level of Palestinian support for violence against Israelis.” As Palestinians abandoned hope, Hamas gained power. After the brutal years of the second intifada, in which Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups repeatedly targeted Israeli civilians, President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority and Salam Fayyad, his prime minister from 2007 to 2013, worked to restore security cooperation and prevent anti-Israeli violence once again. Yet again, the strategy failed. The same Israeli leaders who applauded Mr. Fayyad undermined him in back rooms by funding the settlement growth that convinced Palestinians that security cooperation was bringing them only deepening occupation. Mr. Fayyad, in an interview with The Times’s Roger Cohen before he left office in 2013, admitted that because the “occupation regime is more entrenched,” Palestinians “question whether the P.A. can deliver. Meanwhile, Hamas gains recognition and is strengthened.” As Palestinians lost faith that cooperation with Israel could end the occupation, many appealed to the world to hold Israel accountable for its violation of their rights. In response, both Democratic and Republican presidents have worked diligently to ensure that these nonviolent efforts fail. Since 1997, the United States has vetoed more than a dozen United Nations Security Council resolutions criticizing Israel for its actions in the West Bank and Gaza. This February, even as Israel’s far-right government was beginning a huge settlement expansion, the Biden administration reportedly wielded a veto threat to drastically dilute a Security Council resolution that would have condemned settlement growth. Washington’s response to the International Criminal Court’s efforts to investigate potential Israeli war crimes is equally hostile. Despite lifting sanctions that the Trump administration imposed on I.C.C. officials investigating the United States’s conduct in Afghanistan, the Biden team remains adamantly opposed to any I.C.C. investigation into Israel’s actions. The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, or B.D.S., which was founded in 2005 as a nonviolent alternative to the murderous second intifada and which speaks in the language of human rights and international law, has been similarly stymied, including by many of the same American politicians who celebrated the movement to boycott, divest from and sanction South Africa. Joe Biden, who is proud of his role in passing sanctions against South Africa, has condemned the B.D.S. movement, saying it “too often veers into antisemitism.” About 35 states — some of which once divested state funds from companies doing business in apartheid South Africa — have passed laws or issued executive orders punishing companies that boycott Israel. In many cases, those punishments apply even to businesses that boycott only Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Palestinians have noticed. In the words of Dana El Kurd, a Palestinian American political scientist, “Palestinians have lost faith in the efficacy of nonviolent protest as well as the possible role of the international community.” Mohammed Deif, the commander of Hamas’s military wing, cited this disillusionment during last Saturday’s attack. “In light of the orgy of occupation and its denial of international laws and resolutions, and in light of American and Western support and international silence,” he declared, “we’ve decided to put an end to all this.” |
Anonymous
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Seems Israel protects their babies
And Palestine uses theirs as human shields. I’m sorry but I can’t and won’t care more about their children than they will. |
Anonymous
Has it? Israel appears to consider every Palestinian male over the age of 16 to be Hamas. There is no indication that it distinguishes between civilians and Hamas. Heck, none of you all have even been able to answer the simple question of defining Hamas. As far as we can tell, based on your posts and statements from the Israeli Government, anyone that raises any questions is Hamas. But yes, Hamas sucks and its leadership, just like Israel's, is a big problem. |
Anonymous
Why do you think Israel should be treated like a terrorist organization? |
Anonymous
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This is about right at this point
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8xnK76g/ |