Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

Funny that didn't come out until so late in the process. Really funny.

or during all the years of his adult life in which no one has every come forward with anything of this nature

People - women - don't come forward with this type of allegation because they fear the very criticism and speculation Ford's allegations brought to her.

That backlash against the accuser can be as painful as the initial assault. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but accusers have the right to come forward without being painted as angry/crazy/unstable/loose/embittered (fill in the blank) harpies who were out to ruin Brett's very fine and upstanding career. Which is exactly how conservatives have painted Ford.

Conservatives just want these women to shut up. Unless of course they are making accusations against a Democrat and then conservatives are so very concerned about women (Franken).

I'm a woman and don't appreciate your attempts to put words in my mouth. I think anyone, male or female, should speak up without fear and regardless of political party, race, religion, social status or any other possible barrier. I ALSO think that's it's beyond terrible that someone can be accused and that some people (you?) think only the accuser's word is taken at face value.

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And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Where in the world have you been when there were other SC nominee hearings? It is an arduous process. Any hint of a problem and people withdraw their names so their president can get a new nominee who can make it through the process.

Problem here is that his ambition is actually greater than anything else in him.

You're omitting the elephant in the room. Remember the comments of Schumer when Kavanaugh first nominated? "I will oppose Kavanaugh with everything I've got." Those words were spoken before Kavanaugh had been accused of anything, and I'd say those feelings are representative of Ford's attorney and most DCUM posters.

How is that any different than McConnell's statements about blocking Garland? Or the myriad statements from the GOP over the course of time stating opposition at any cost to Obama's policies. Before you cry "whataboutism" Schumer (who is not on the Judiciary Committee, btw) is simply highlighting how uber partisan our politics have become. Leaders on both sides put party over country. And the GOP is guilty as hell on this front.

Moreover, Kavanaugh is a noted partisan operative. Well before Ford's allegations, his political past, his debt and finances, and his clear willingness to exonerate the president in the case of impeachment should have been flashing alarm bells to ANY politician who is at all concerned about the integrity of the court. There are other worthy conservative judges who don't have these alarm bells.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

Funny that didn't come out until so late in the process. Really funny.

or during all the years of his adult life in which no one has every come forward with anything of this nature

People - women - don't come forward with this type of allegation because they fear the very criticism and speculation Ford's allegations brought to her.

That backlash against the accuser can be as painful as the initial assault. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but accusers have the right to come forward without being painted as angry/crazy/unstable/loose/embittered (fill in the blank) harpies who were out to ruin Brett's very fine and upstanding career. Which is exactly how conservatives have painted Ford.

Conservatives just want these women to shut up. Unless of course they are making accusations against a Democrat and then conservatives are so very concerned about women (Franken).

I'm a woman and don't appreciate your attempts to put words in my mouth. I think anyone, male or female, should speak up without fear and regardless of political party, race, religion, social status or any other possible barrier. I ALSO think that's it's beyond terrible that someone can be accused and that some people (you?) think only the accuser's word is taken at face value.

Spare me. You absolutely want Ford and others who inconveniently raise flags to shut up. You're trying to walk the line and you can't. Your last statement gives you away. Ford has been asking for an investigation so that we DON'T have to rely on just her word and conservatives have fought it until this past week. So no, you don't want them to talk unless it's about your political opposition.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who thinks K’s life is ruined, I remind you of the Duke Lacrosse case. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/duke-lacrosse-case-fantastic-lies-documentary

The moral of the story is that if you went to Landon and the person you abused was Black and poor, you can get a top lawyer, get away with it and be paid millions. If you were stupid enough to end up with a corpse in your hands, as in the UVA case, then you went to jail.

The Duke lacrosse players have fabulous careers, doting wives, etc. ten years on. Maybe they will be coaching basketball for their daughters someday in Chevy Chase, too.

Because when their accuser killed her boyfriend, it kind of exonerated them. You ARE aware that their accuser is a jailed murderer, correct?

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Mmmmkay. I'll attempt to spell it out for you. But honestly I don't know if that will work because I can't account for lack of intelligence or critical thinking here.

Duke Lacrosse Case: Accused boys were presumed guilty due to an accusation. After months of everyone thinking they were absolute monsters, but after players were allowed to present evidence to refute their accusers claim (which was actually possible to do since the date, time, location, and witnesses at the party were all "known" variables in the accusation), the case was dropped against them because no evidence could support the claim. It is now widely believed that the Duke Lacrosse players did not commit rape against this woman as she claimed they did. (Though they're behavior and overall character was deplorable that night...100% IMO)

Kavanaugh Case: Accused judge is presumed guilty due to an accusation. He is assumed to be a monster because "I believe her" is all that is required for society to forever place this label on him. He will have no recourse or avenue by which to refute her claim because there is no time/place/witnesses/evidence named that would allow him to offer any evidence (if he had any, 36 years later!) to counter in a "prove your own innocence"-type fashion that we apparently now require as a society.

This is how the two cases are different. And why his future is ruined and will forever be marked as a sexual predator, whereas theirs was not and they will not. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

You appear not to be intelligent enough to understand the CRUCIAL difference between these two cases.

Duke Lacross Case: Boys were being charged criminally.

Kavanaugh Case: Kavanaugh is applying for a job promotion.

See the difference?

Actually, there's much more to any situation involving an accusation of attempted rape and attempted murder. It's also about a person's reputation. Perhaps that doesn't matter to you, but it certainly has mattered to the educators I've read about who have been falsely accused by a high school student.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

Funny that didn't come out until so late in the process. Really funny.

or during all the years of his adult life in which no one has every come forward with anything of this nature

People - women - don't come forward with this type of allegation because they fear the very criticism and speculation Ford's allegations brought to her.

That backlash against the accuser can be as painful as the initial assault. Sure, innocent until proven guilty, but accusers have the right to come forward without being painted as angry/crazy/unstable/loose/embittered (fill in the blank) harpies who were out to ruin Brett's very fine and upstanding career. Which is exactly how conservatives have painted Ford.

Conservatives just want these women to shut up. Unless of course they are making accusations against a Democrat and then conservatives are so very concerned about women (Franken).

I'm a woman and don't appreciate your attempts to put words in my mouth. I think anyone, male or female, should speak up without fear and regardless of political party, race, religion, social status or any other possible barrier. I ALSO think that's it's beyond terrible that someone can be accused and that some people (you?) think only the accuser's word is taken at face value.

Spare me. You absolutely want Ford and others who inconveniently raise flags to shut up. You're trying to walk the line and you can't. Your last statement gives you away. Ford has been asking for an investigation so that we DON'T have to rely on just her word and conservatives have fought it until this past week. So no, you don't want them to talk unless it's about your political opposition.

PP here. You're very skilled at making assumptions and false accusations yourself. You're trying to push your beliefs onto me, and they won't stick. Sorry. I work with teens and encourage anyone to speak up. I also think it's important to not ASSUME that an accuser is the only one who is telling the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

I could accuse your husband or boyfriend of rape and statistically speaking, I'm probably telling the damn truth....

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And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Where in the world have you been when there were other SC nominee hearings? It is an arduous process. Any hint of a problem and people withdraw their names so their president can get a new nominee who can make it through the process.

Problem here is that his ambition is actually greater than anything else in him.

You're omitting the elephant in the room. Remember the comments of Schumer when Kavanaugh first nominated? "I will oppose Kavanaugh with everything I've got." Those words were spoken before Kavanaugh had been accused of anything, and I'd say those feelings are representative of Ford's attorney and most DCUM posters.

How is that any different than McConnell's statements about blocking Garland? Or the myriad statements from the GOP over the course of time stating opposition at any cost to Obama's policies. Before you cry "whataboutism" Schumer (who is not on the Judiciary Committee, btw) is simply highlighting how uber partisan our politics have become. Leaders on both sides put party over country. And the GOP is guilty as hell on this front.

Moreover, Kavanaugh is a noted partisan operative. Well before Ford's allegations, his political past, his debt and finances, and his clear willingness to exonerate the president in the case of impeachment should have been flashing alarm bells to ANY politician who is at all concerned about the integrity of the court. There are other worthy conservative judges who don't have these alarm bells.

PP here. Oh, I get it and agree with you. But let's not pretend that Democrats aren't equally culpable.

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I am surprised at how little discussion there is of all the professional (dis)incentives for people to not come forward with information.

Republicans wonder why "no one has come forward all these years"? Well, he could make or break the careers of his clerks--of course they're not going to speak out against him. The circles he ran in are tight-knit and protect themselves. If you speak out, you lose your professional friends, your career, and are blacklisted. It's actually very similar to Weinstein.

How do I know this? I have family members in these circles. They wouldn't say a word even if they knew something, because they don't have equivalent power to Kavanaugh. It's self-preservation (over the good of the country).

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So now Trump is lying about the limits he is putting on the FBI investigation

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/9k2q8p/trump_says_fbi_has_free_rein_in_kavanaugh/

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And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Where in the world have you been when there were other SC nominee hearings? It is an arduous process. Any hint of a problem and people withdraw their names so their president can get a new nominee who can make it through the process.

Problem here is that his ambition is actually greater than anything else in him.

You're omitting the elephant in the room. Remember the comments of Schumer when Kavanaugh first nominated? "I will oppose Kavanaugh with everything I've got." Those words were spoken before Kavanaugh had been accused of anything, and I'd say those feelings are representative of Ford's attorney and most DCUM posters.

No, hon, the elephant in the room is Merrick Garland. Always will be.

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Anonymous wrote:Too bad if the investigation is limited. This will go down for the history books.
If he truly could have been exonerated then it will be shame, because the presumption will always be that he was guilty of this stuff and more.

This has been the biggest sham of all time. I have faith that if he is not exonerated in the coming week, he will be exonerated in the future.
He will be a great Justice.

If that performance of his suggested fitness for the bench to you, I don’t think you understand what a justice is supposed to be.

I thought he was defending his name and his reputation. And, yes, he was angry. He had a damn right to be angry.
The games the Dems have played have been destructive. Absolutely disgusting.
He said what had to be said. The way it had to be said.

Yeah, he had every right to be angry. This SCOTUS seat was HIS. It was MEANT for him. This is where his entire path in life was leading. Why should he have to undergo any type of trial? Why should he have to answer for his misbehavior when he was just a child? I mean, a teenager and young man in his 20s, an age when black boys are already adults eligible for the death penalty, but when you're a privileged white boy mistakes are made and they're not indicative of one's future potential and who cares if he told little white lies under oath. That's why he's mad because it's HIS fate to be SCOTUS. Doesn't matter what he did at age 18 or 19 or 20 or 21 or 22. He went to YALE dammit. YALE. Do you know how prestigious that is? Do you know which country clubs he's belonged to in his life? Do you know how much suffering he's felt these past few weeks as people have actually tried to put barriers in his path toward his SCOTUS seat? Of course he's angry. His life HAS BEEN RUINED, RUINED I say. Why should he have to answer about his Frat Boy Persona? Who cares if he drank to excess and then lied about it? Who cares what he did when he was drunk? He was ONLY a boy, for god's sake. Unlike those animals and criminals who are sneaking over the border with their mothers. They need to be torn away from them and held in detention. I don't care if they're only 10. They're adults coming here to rape us, I tell you.

I think this is a big part of what is bothering me about him (besides the fact that I found Ford to be credible and him to not be credible during their examinations). He was a legacy at Yale. Sure, he got good grades and participated in the right extracurriculars, he formed friendships and networks based on their connections. He had two parents to support him comfotably in a safe neighborhood. He went to a private Prep school. He has a substantial inheritance waiting for him. Some of these facts are true of my own upbringing. The difference, it would seem, is that I recognize just how easy my life has been and how my path was cleared by those who came before me. He does not. It was all him, his hard work. How can he possibly relate to the vast majority of Americans who have every single obstacle placed in their paths from their moment of birth? He appears to lack empathy and the judgement needed to be an impartial check on power and the powerful.

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And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Where in the world have you been when there were other SC nominee hearings? It is an arduous process. Any hint of a problem and people withdraw their names so their president can get a new nominee who can make it through the process.

Problem here is that his ambition is actually greater than anything else in him.

You're omitting the elephant in the room. Remember the comments of Schumer when Kavanaugh first nominated? "I will oppose Kavanaugh with everything I've got." Those words were spoken before Kavanaugh had been accused of anything, and I'd say those feelings are representative of Ford's attorney and most DCUM posters.

No, hon, the elephant in the room is Merrick Garland. Always will be.

Hon, I understand the frustration of Democrats. Glad you agree that Democrats were going to do everything possible to prevent Kavanaugh's being seated on the Supreme Court.

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Thank you to the previous poster. He doesn't appear to have empathy. My thoughts are that he doesn't seem to see nuance. His emails are overly doctrinal and make him come off as a jerk. Judges need empathy and nuance in order to apply facts to law and come out with equitable outcomes. He is more of a political hack than a judge. Plus he flat out lied during parts of his testimony (I'm talking about the drinking, the sex terms- no one can say with a straight face that he was telling the truth about those things). Automatic disqualification.

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And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Where in the world have you been when there were other SC nominee hearings? It is an arduous process. Any hint of a problem and people withdraw their names so their president can get a new nominee who can make it through the process.

Problem here is that his ambition is actually greater than anything else in him.

You're omitting the elephant in the room. Remember the comments of Schumer when Kavanaugh first nominated? "I will oppose Kavanaugh with everything I've got." Those words were spoken before Kavanaugh had been accused of anything, and I'd say those feelings are representative of Ford's attorney and most DCUM posters.

So your position implies these three women are pawns of the democrats who are willing to spend 5 years in Federal prison for lying as well as destroying their private and professional lives all in the name of sinking a judicial nominee. How is that plausible?