Fire in upper NW?

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Anonymous wrote:Shouldn't he be on the FBI top ten now? Maybe bump other local shit Brad Bishop who is likely long dead.

why? Lots of people are brutally murdered. You've all lost all sense of reality.

THANK YOU. This is a horrible tragedy, but let's be honest. Horrible crimes like this happen in rich and poor neighborhoods across America every week.

I doubt crimes like this are a common occurrence. I think it is a rare individual who can cause all the mayhem he did. His life must be absolutely devoid of any hope.

No, actually he could just be a psychopath. Feeling hopeless doesn't allow you to torture a little boy.

So I guess he is just a "bad seed" and this was just his destiny? This, jail or a mental institution? Sounds pretty hopeless to me.

They have scanned brains of serial killers and murderers and they are different. There are also biochemical differences as well.

Look at some children from horrific abuse situations that don't turn to crime and violence.

It's hard to stomach--but- yes- there are bad seeds.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish parents in the Cathedral school community would use discretion in talking about this tragedy on Facebook and I don't think people should be giving interviews. This is a private community and it seems in bad taste to be discussing such a tragedy on Facebook or give interviews.

What about the neighborhood community?
What about the church community?
What about the workplace community?
Etc...

Why is the 'cathedral school community' any different than the other ones?

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Anonymous wrote:While the family lived in the Caribbean, wasn't the house under extensive renovation? Could suspect have worked on the house at that time?

You do realize that "the Caribbean" is not one town or one island, right?

I think PP meant that the DC house was under renovation (the family lived abroad while the house was under construction) and was wondering if the suspect worked on it at that point (and was therefore familiar with it).

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Anonymous wrote:While the family lived in the Caribbean, wasn't the house under extensive renovation? Could suspect have worked on the house at that time?

You do realize that "the Caribbean" is not one town or one island, right?

Yes, of course. I'm referring to the Caribbean because I don't know where they lived during that time -- possibly in USVI, where it's been reported that they own a condo. During that time the house in DC was undergoing renovations.

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Anonymous wrote:Aside from the takeaway of telling family or assistants to call the cops if they get this call, I'm also taking away that people willing to take hostages are prepared to kill. It's like the don't get taken to the second location thing. Don't get tied up in the chair. Act like they are going to kill you and start fighting for your life from the beginning. These things seem to end in death, or violent rape (not that that happened here) often enough to risk fighting early on when you have your strength and they might not expect it.

In theory, this sounds like good advice, however, being the victim of a violent crime and speaking from the fear I experienced, when in that situation, staying alive is your goal. Since you don't know what the person is capable of, if they tell you *I won't cut your throat if you don't fight me*, you BELIEVE you have a chance at seeing daylight. The second location thing? I was taken away, forced to, blindfolded. In therapy, as I expressed my regret that I didn't fight back, the therapist listed many cases where the woman did fight back and had every bone broken in her face, where she was stabbed repeatedly, etc. Random crimes happen, and the best way to prevent one is to hyper vigilant, such as locking doors, setting alarms, looking under cars before getting in, being aware of who is around you, don't open doors before seeing who is on the other side - sounds easy enough, right? It's been 31 years since my violent crime, and I'm not as hyper vigilant as I should be. After what happened to this family, I'm upping the ante, because it brings back a flood of feelings I haven't experienced in a long time.

In my situation, by not fighting back saved my life. You can never predict how these situations will culminate. My heart aches for the family, the panic and terror they experienced is unlike any other emotion most people have ever experienced - it's indescribable. They didn't fight back because they were probably told they would live.

My intense focus on this nightmare is likely due to a terrifying experience so many years ago. In my case, I fought him off, but they never caught the psycho. It seemed sure this was going to be the end of my life....

Thank you for sharing your experience, it is informative. Sending thoughts of strength and healing to you.

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Anonymous wrote:All during this rampant speculation, I have been hoping that the suspect would NOT be an African American male with dreadlocks, with a police record, from PG county. But, here we are again. So awful. There are a lot of fine, upstanding young AA men, their mothers, and fathers who must be sick about this today.
And, for whatever it's worth, I am a white, middle-aged woman with kids who went to the same schools as the Savopoulos children.

If a white person commits murder, do you feel sick about it?

No one wants to answer that question.....

Certainly!! Sandy hook destroyed me.

Violence against children is horrific.

The Petit family murders sickened me.

Yes--very similar in nature and white killers. That one still haunts me. Also- random targets.

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What about the dead housekeeper's husband? He gets a voicemail saying his wife's phone is dead and she is sleeping over--kinda weird, why wouldn't his wife borrow a phone to call her husband? But, ok. But then he goes to the house at 8 am and is told that she is at the hospital with Mrs. S and he does....nothing?

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Anonymous wrote:All during this rampant speculation, I have been hoping that the suspect would NOT be an African American male with dreadlocks, with a police record, from PG county. But, here we are again. So awful. There are a lot of fine, upstanding young AA men, their mothers, and fathers who must be sick about this today.
And, for whatever it's worth, I am a white, middle-aged woman with kids who went to the same schools as the Savopoulos children.

If a white person commits murder, do you feel sick about it?

No one wants to answer that question.....

Certainly!! Sandy hook destroyed me.

Because of the murderer's race?

What are you talking about? That poster is saying murder, by a person of any race, is sickening. I think we can all agree on that, no?

Of course we can agree on that. I think the original poster's implication, however, was that AA people should feel sick about the fact that the suspect is AA. Why? Her response -- that racists will perceive this as reinforcement for their prejudice -- should make all of us sick.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the dead housekeeper's husband? He gets a voicemail saying his wife's phone is dead and she is sleeping over--kinda weird, why wouldn't his wife borrow a phone to call her husband? But, ok. But then he goes to the house at 8 am and is told that she is at the hospital with Mrs. S and he does....nothing?

What about him? Don't you think he feels remorse? He has to live with his in action and grief. Leave him alone.

You should wish him nothing but peace.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the dead housekeeper's husband? He gets a voicemail saying his wife's phone is dead and she is sleeping over--kinda weird, why wouldn't his wife borrow a phone to call her husband? But, ok. But then he goes to the house at 8 am and is told that she is at the hospital with Mrs. S and he does....nothing?

Go away.

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Anonymous wrote:I knew it, I said it. A random socio-path looking for some "fun." I said this in several posts. A damn socio-path. Some one with no empathy, no compassion, no thoughts but what he wants for him self.

This is the scariest possible scenario.

See all of you!! This family did NOTHING to cause this. Their housekeepers were NOT involved. It wasn't the business or the people they employed in their home.

DO YOU SEE THAT!!?? A random socio-path.

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No one deserves what happened. No one. But this isn't a random crime. There is an association between the family (likely the father's many businesses which do not appear to have been all above board) and Wint. Eventually more will come out. The story does not add up as it is, and it is obvious that the police are withholding plenty of information.

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Anonymous wrote:All during this rampant speculation, I have been hoping that the suspect would NOT be an African American male with dreadlocks, with a police record, from PG county. But, here we are again. So awful. There are a lot of fine, upstanding young AA men, their mothers, and fathers who must be sick about this today.
And, for whatever it's worth, I am a white, middle-aged woman with kids who went to the same schools as the Savopoulos children.

If a white person commits murder, do you feel sick about it?

No one wants to answer that question.....

Except so done already did a few pages back.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the dead housekeeper's husband? He gets a voicemail saying his wife's phone is dead and she is sleeping over--kinda weird, why wouldn't his wife borrow a phone to call her husband? But, ok. But then he goes to the house at 8 am and is told that she is at the hospital with Mrs. S and he does....nothing?

He will live with his regrets and doubts. We all make mistakes of judgement, and some of us have heavier burdens afterwards than others.

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Anonymous wrote:What about the dead housekeeper's husband? He gets a voicemail saying his wife's phone is dead and she is sleeping over--kinda weird, why wouldn't his wife borrow a phone to call her husband? But, ok. But then he goes to the house at 8 am and is told that she is at the hospital with Mrs. S and he does....nothing?

What about him? Don't you think he feels remorse? He has to live with his in action and grief. Leave him alone.

You should wish him nothing but peace.

I thought he did go to the house .. ??

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Anonymous wrote:What about the dead housekeeper's husband? He gets a voicemail saying his wife's phone is dead and she is sleeping over--kinda weird, why wouldn't his wife borrow a phone to call her husband? But, ok. But then he goes to the house at 8 am and is told that she is at the hospital with Mrs. S and he does....nothing?

What about him? Don't you think he feels remorse? He has to live with his in action and grief. Leave him alone.

You should wish him nothing but peace.

I'm sure he feels exactly as sick and horrified as the poor woman who dropped off one of the Harvey's daughters while the family was being held hostage in the basement. How can one fathom to guess that something that horrifying is happening in that moment?