Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

Not right. You’re just whining about how awful it is that this poor man has to deal with this. Yeah, oh well. Shit happens. There are worse things in the world.

Of course it's awful. That you don't think it is only shows your bias, loud and clear.

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Agreed, these threads are going around and around. I figured DCUM could produce something truly unique, since this is among many other things, at its core a DC story, from beginning to end. Most of use are probably no more than 3 degrees away from the Kavanaughs and other characters in this drama...not looking for dirt so much as perspective...which I have seen some of but we keep veering into silly back and forth...hey kinda like the Senate.

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Anonymous wrote:Leland Keyser can be problematic for this whole thing, if she sheds some light on why this story got concocted.

She has said she believes Dr. Ford.

And, she also says she never met Brett Kavanaugh--and does not remember the party. She doesn't want to call her lifelong friend a liar.

I have a lifelong friend - grade school through college, including study abroad. We often notice that we don't remember the same things about our experiences, or sometimes one remembers and the other has no recollection. My memory is generally better, but still there are some things that I don't recall. We laugh about it, but never do we think the other is lying.

Pretty sure I would recall the gathering where my female friend (the ONLY other female at the house) had flown down the stairs, fled the party without saying a word and left me by myself in a house with four drunk boys---two of whom had just physically assaulted her?

+1 right? At the very least, would the friend not remember confronting Christine the next time she saw her "hey...what happened the other night? Why did you disappear and leave me alone at X's house?" They were 15! Fifteen. And Leland can't recall that one time when she went to a house with her girlfriend and 4 boys but at the end of the night the girlfriend ran out of the house? Or vanished (if she didn't see her leave)? When I was 15, I would have been very panicked if one of my 15-year-old friends was unaccounted for at the end of the night. Especially if she was the only other girl there with me. It's not like this was a large group of people. Makes no sense.

I agree completely. I'd like to hear more from Keyser.

No of course you don’t HAVE to remember. I don’t remember a lot of things from my teen and college years. Incidents that I am shocked that I’ve forgotten about! It’s really not such a big deal. It might have seemed like a huge deal when it happened but not after so many years.
Trauma on the other hand is different!

Interesting. (And I'm not saying that sarcastically). I'm 48 and I know I don't remember a lot of things from HS, but I can't imagine if a friend of mine had the kind of night that Dr. Ford described--even if I didn't know about the alleged assault at the time at all--that after she recounted it all to me I wouldn't be able to remember it AT ALL. Especially is it seemed "like a huge deal when it happened" as I assume a friend unexpectedly leaving me behind at a party would have been. On its own I might not conjure it up ...but in response to a friend saying "remember that night we were with those four boys at that one house and I ran out unexpectedly and just left you there?" --I think that would trigger at least a vague recollection "oh yeah...I remember that...we thought that was really weird that you just left!" or "yeah I was really mad at you for leaving me with all those drunk guys!" or "we looked in every room of that house before I finally gave up and left! I was so scared I'd have to tell your parents that I couldn't find you!"....

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Anonymous wrote:As for the question about Ashley's friends on here:
They were here.

They were extremely off the hook, personally overprotective and reported the thread to the FBI!

So yeah... they were here.

Again - you have no idea. I was on here last night and said that I hoped the FBI was reading those posts because some of them were disgusting lies and rumors - like the one claiming there is "domestic abuse" in the Kavanaugh household. Who says things like that?? I'd love for the FBI to trace some of you who put lies like that out there. And I don't know any of the Kavanaughs.

Now the FBI must police every anonymous Internet forum out there? You people have seriously gone off the rails.

Well, let's see. Speaking of going off the rails, you've demanded the FBI waste their time finding out what absurd slang terms in Kavanaugh's yearbook meant, so yeah - I'd be happy if they traced any anonymous posts which deliberately spread lies about him and/or his family.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

Privileged whiny white male complaining about evil liberal conspiracy? Cry me a river.

Again - not a guy. But thanks for living up to your man-hating reputation!

Kavanaugh had a sex change while no one was looking? Or you must be seriously dumb.

OMG. Speaking of dumb, learn to read. One of you is certain that anyone defending Kavanaugh must be male. I am not a male. Get it?

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

Not right. You’re just whining about how awful it is that this poor man has to deal with this. Yeah, oh well. Shit happens. There are worse things in the world.

Of course it's awful. That you don't think it is only shows your bias, loud and clear.

Wow you're terrible. I sure hope this kind of "shit" doesn't "happen" to your husband or son such that there is no possible way he can defend himself. If it did, though, you might have a different perspective.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

How do you know he's innocent? Looks like your mind is already made up.

Let me go sloowwwlly for you: He has not been proven guilty of anything. Therefore, he is innocent. JFC.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt Damon was great on SNL but Bob Odenkirk will play Kavanaugh in the movie. Who plays Dr. Ford? Ashley looks like Maura Tierney but she's probably too old to play her now.

Diane Lane for Dr. Ford?

Robin Tunney for Ashley?

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

Not right. You’re just whining about how awful it is that this poor man has to deal with this. Yeah, oh well. Shit happens. There are worse things in the world.

Of course it's awful. That you don't think it is only shows your bias, loud and clear.

Wow you're terrible. I sure hope this kind of "shit" doesn't "happen" to your husband or son such that there is no possible way he can defend himself. If it did, though, you might have a different perspective.

PP here. I agree with you, but I think you meant your response for the PP above me - the one who said, "shit happens." That wasn't me.

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed, these threads are going around and around. I figured DCUM could produce something truly unique, since this is among many other things, at its core a DC story, from beginning to end. Most of use are probably no more than 3 degrees away from the Kavanaughs and other characters in this drama...not looking for dirt so much as perspective...which I have seen some of but we keep veering into silly back and forth...hey kinda like the Senate.

This is the third thread and they go on for what - 200 pages each?

It has all degenerated at this point. People were asking earnest questions before.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who thinks K’s life is ruined, I remind you of the Duke Lacrosse case. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/duke-lacrosse-case-fantastic-lies-documentary

The moral of the story is that if you went to Landon and the person you abused was Black and poor, you can get a top lawyer, get away with it and be paid millions. If you were stupid enough to end up with a corpse in your hands, as in the UVA case, then you went to jail.

The Duke lacrosse players have fabulous careers, doting wives, etc. ten years on. Maybe they will be coaching basketball for their daughters someday in Chevy Chase, too.

Ummm. Yes, because it was proven that these accusations were false. And now it is a generally accepted belief that these men were wrongly accused to begin with. If this truth had never emerged, they would be ruined for life. Just as Kavanaugh will be if he is not able to prove that he didn't do this. See the difference???

Actually, no. I don’t. None. That is why I mention it.

Mmmmkay. I'll attempt to spell it out for you. But honestly I don't know if that will work because I can't account for lack of intelligence or critical thinking here.

Duke Lacrosse Case: Accused boys were presumed guilty due to an accusation. After months of everyone thinking they were absolute monsters, but after players were allowed to present evidence to refute their accusers claim (which was actually possible to do since the date, time, location, and witnesses at the party were all "known" variables in the accusation), the case was dropped against them because no evidence could support the claim. It is now widely believed that the Duke Lacrosse players did not commit rape against this woman as she claimed they did. (Though they're behavior and overall character was deplorable that night...100% IMO)

Kavanaugh Case: Accused judge is presumed guilty due to an accusation. He is assumed to be a monster because "I believe her" is all that is required for society to forever place this label on him. He will have no recourse or avenue by which to refute her claim because there is no time/place/witnesses/evidence named that would allow him to offer any evidence (if he had any, 36 years later!) to counter in a "prove your own innocence"-type fashion that we apparently now require as a society.

This is how the two cases are different. And why his future is ruined and will forever be marked as a sexual predator, whereas theirs was not and they will not. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Applause. Thank you for spelling all of this out for the obtuse PP. I'm incredulous that anyone would claim there is no difference in these scenarios. Kavanaugh will never get to clear his name, simply because too much time has passed to present any hard evidence exonerating him. You are so right that now we're in a "prove your own innocence" time. It's frightening, to put it mildly.

Bigger difference: duke guys were threatened with arrest and expulsion. That is a LOSS of freedom and education that they possessed. Kavanaugh is not entitled to confirmation. The question is: should we GIVE him this post? He loses nothing. The standard is different. Get it through your thick heads.

And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Who cares whether I think he’s “guilty”?! I’m not a jury! I have no power over his freedom. It’s just my damn opinion based on the pretty clearly false testimony he gave about all manner of things related to his behavior as a teen under oath! Would I convict him of a crime if I were on a jury? Um, no, because I understand what “beyond a reasonable doubt” means.

You're right, you have no power over his freedom (thank god). But it's people like you putting your guilt theories out there that are ruining this man's reputation. Think about it. If your husband or son were falsely accused of the same thing, and online trolls posted horrible things about them, with no basis in reality, wouldn't you be furious and want them to stop? Really hope karma doesn't come around and bite you.

You are really dumb. The allegation (that is probably true) is what affects his reputation. My freaking opinion about the allegation does not.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt Damon was great on SNL but Bob Odenkirk will play Kavanaugh in the movie. Who plays Dr. Ford? Ashley looks like Maura Tierney but she's probably too old to play her now.

Diane Lane for Dr. Ford?

Robin Tunney for Ashley?

Laura Linney for Ford

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who thinks K’s life is ruined, I remind you of the Duke Lacrosse case. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/duke-lacrosse-case-fantastic-lies-documentary

The moral of the story is that if you went to Landon and the person you abused was Black and poor, you can get a top lawyer, get away with it and be paid millions. If you were stupid enough to end up with a corpse in your hands, as in the UVA case, then you went to jail.

The Duke lacrosse players have fabulous careers, doting wives, etc. ten years on. Maybe they will be coaching basketball for their daughters someday in Chevy Chase, too.

Ummm. Yes, because it was proven that these accusations were false. And now it is a generally accepted belief that these men were wrongly accused to begin with. If this truth had never emerged, they would be ruined for life. Just as Kavanaugh will be if he is not able to prove that he didn't do this. See the difference???

Actually, no. I don’t. None. That is why I mention it.

Mmmmkay. I'll attempt to spell it out for you. But honestly I don't know if that will work because I can't account for lack of intelligence or critical thinking here.

Duke Lacrosse Case: Accused boys were presumed guilty due to an accusation. After months of everyone thinking they were absolute monsters, but after players were allowed to present evidence to refute their accusers claim (which was actually possible to do since the date, time, location, and witnesses at the party were all "known" variables in the accusation), the case was dropped against them because no evidence could support the claim. It is now widely believed that the Duke Lacrosse players did not commit rape against this woman as she claimed they did. (Though they're behavior and overall character was deplorable that night...100% IMO)

Kavanaugh Case: Accused judge is presumed guilty due to an accusation. He is assumed to be a monster because "I believe her" is all that is required for society to forever place this label on him. He will have no recourse or avenue by which to refute her claim because there is no time/place/witnesses/evidence named that would allow him to offer any evidence (if he had any, 36 years later!) to counter in a "prove your own innocence"-type fashion that we apparently now require as a society.

This is how the two cases are different. And why his future is ruined and will forever be marked as a sexual predator, whereas theirs was not and they will not. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Applause. Thank you for spelling all of this out for the obtuse PP. I'm incredulous that anyone would claim there is no difference in these scenarios. Kavanaugh will never get to clear his name, simply because too much time has passed to present any hard evidence exonerating him. You are so right that now we're in a "prove your own innocence" time. It's frightening, to put it mildly.

Honest question: if you were Ford and this actually did happen, would you just shut up and not come forward? If so, why?

I'm the one who wrote the above about the diff between the two cases. And your question is a good one. One that I would have seriously given huge consideration to if I were Dr. Ford. And I don't think there is a "right" answer here, but I were her and I knew this to be true, I think I would have told myself that I have no other option but to provide the information that I had in order to clear my conscience.

I do not blame her for coming forward. At all. THough I agree with the other poster who implied that it is very very unfortunate that she did not come forward much sooner than 36 years later. (And I think personally for me I would have weighed what happened on that night back then with what the climate was at the time, what his state of mind was, his age, my age and state of mind, and how he has conducted himself as an adult before I took the step to blow up his life. Because this is about the SCOTUS but it is also about a man who is, by all accounts, a decent person and human being insofar as he has lived his life in adulthood.) Not saying she SHOULD have done that. It's not really her responsibility to see how he turned out, etc. BUt since you asked what *I* would have done in her shoes, that would probably have played a role for me. But maybe that makes me not as "brave" or at least not as much of a risk-taker--given that this could have backfired on her tremendously.

What I do not like is that people have pounced on her allegation as infallible truth when they have NO WAY OF KNOWING, PROVING, oR VALIDATING this accusation. (And he has no way of disproving it!) And I think that is a dangerous and sad place for us to find ourselves in as a society.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

Funny that didn't come out until so late in the process. Really funny.

FBI investigations are going to include high school and college now, and ask more probing questions, that is for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Matt Damon was great on SNL but Bob Odenkirk will play Kavanaugh in the movie. Who plays Dr. Ford? Ashley looks like Maura Tierney but she's probably too old to play her now.

Diane Lane for Dr. Ford?

Robin Tunney for Ashley?

Laura Linney for Ford

oh she is perfect!