Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who thinks K’s life is ruined, I remind you of the Duke Lacrosse case. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/duke-lacrosse-case-fantastic-lies-documentary

The moral of the story is that if you went to Landon and the person you abused was Black and poor, you can get a top lawyer, get away with it and be paid millions. If you were stupid enough to end up with a corpse in your hands, as in the UVA case, then you went to jail.

The Duke lacrosse players have fabulous careers, doting wives, etc. ten years on. Maybe they will be coaching basketball for their daughters someday in Chevy Chase, too.

Ummm. Yes, because it was proven that these accusations were false. And now it is a generally accepted belief that these men were wrongly accused to begin with. If this truth had never emerged, they would be ruined for life. Just as Kavanaugh will be if he is not able to prove that he didn't do this. See the difference???

Actually, no. I don’t. None. That is why I mention it.

Mmmmkay. I'll attempt to spell it out for you. But honestly I don't know if that will work because I can't account for lack of intelligence or critical thinking here.

Duke Lacrosse Case: Accused boys were presumed guilty due to an accusation. After months of everyone thinking they were absolute monsters, but after players were allowed to present evidence to refute their accusers claim (which was actually possible to do since the date, time, location, and witnesses at the party were all "known" variables in the accusation), the case was dropped against them because no evidence could support the claim. It is now widely believed that the Duke Lacrosse players did not commit rape against this woman as she claimed they did. (Though they're behavior and overall character was deplorable that night...100% IMO)

Kavanaugh Case: Accused judge is presumed guilty due to an accusation. He is assumed to be a monster because "I believe her" is all that is required for society to forever place this label on him. He will have no recourse or avenue by which to refute her claim because there is no time/place/witnesses/evidence named that would allow him to offer any evidence (if he had any, 36 years later!) to counter in a "prove your own innocence"-type fashion that we apparently now require as a society.

This is how the two cases are different. And why his future is ruined and will forever be marked as a sexual predator, whereas theirs was not and they will not. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Applause. Thank you for spelling all of this out for the obtuse PP. I'm incredulous that anyone would claim there is no difference in these scenarios. Kavanaugh will never get to clear his name, simply because too much time has passed to present any hard evidence exonerating him. You are so right that now we're in a "prove your own innocence" time. It's frightening, to put it mildly.

Bigger difference: duke guys were threatened with arrest and expulsion. That is a LOSS of freedom and education that they possessed. Kavanaugh is not entitled to confirmation. The question is: should we GIVE him this post? He loses nothing. The standard is different. Get it through your thick heads.

And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:What truly saddens me is that people who think his behavior is okay are raising kids.

You mean people who think condemning a person as guilty with zero evidence is okay? I, too, worry about what they're teaching their kids. Certainly, it isn't "innocent until proven guilty."

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who thinks K’s life is ruined, I remind you of the Duke Lacrosse case. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/duke-lacrosse-case-fantastic-lies-documentary

The moral of the story is that if you went to Landon and the person you abused was Black and poor, you can get a top lawyer, get away with it and be paid millions. If you were stupid enough to end up with a corpse in your hands, as in the UVA case, then you went to jail.

The Duke lacrosse players have fabulous careers, doting wives, etc. ten years on. Maybe they will be coaching basketball for their daughters someday in Chevy Chase, too.

Ummm. Yes, because it was proven that these accusations were false. And now it is a generally accepted belief that these men were wrongly accused to begin with. If this truth had never emerged, they would be ruined for life. Just as Kavanaugh will be if he is not able to prove that he didn't do this. See the difference???

Actually, no. I don’t. None. That is why I mention it.

Mmmmkay. I'll attempt to spell it out for you. But honestly I don't know if that will work because I can't account for lack of intelligence or critical thinking here.

Duke Lacrosse Case: Accused boys were presumed guilty due to an accusation. After months of everyone thinking they were absolute monsters, but after players were allowed to present evidence to refute their accusers claim (which was actually possible to do since the date, time, location, and witnesses at the party were all "known" variables in the accusation), the case was dropped against them because no evidence could support the claim. It is now widely believed that the Duke Lacrosse players did not commit rape against this woman as she claimed they did. (Though they're behavior and overall character was deplorable that night...100% IMO)

Kavanaugh Case: Accused judge is presumed guilty due to an accusation. He is assumed to be a monster because "I believe her" is all that is required for society to forever place this label on him. He will have no recourse or avenue by which to refute her claim because there is no time/place/witnesses/evidence named that would allow him to offer any evidence (if he had any, 36 years later!) to counter in a "prove your own innocence"-type fashion that we apparently now require as a society.

This is how the two cases are different. And why his future is ruined and will forever be marked as a sexual predator, whereas theirs was not and they will not. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Applause. Thank you for spelling all of this out for the obtuse PP. I'm incredulous that anyone would claim there is no difference in these scenarios. Kavanaugh will never get to clear his name, simply because too much time has passed to present any hard evidence exonerating him. You are so right that now we're in a "prove your own innocence" time. It's frightening, to put it mildly.

Bigger difference: duke guys were threatened with arrest and expulsion. That is a LOSS of freedom and education that they possessed. Kavanaugh is not entitled to confirmation. The question is: should we GIVE him this post? He loses nothing. The standard is different. Get it through your thick heads.

And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Who cares whether I think he’s “guilty”?! I’m not a jury! I have no power over his freedom. It’s just my damn opinion based on the pretty clearly false testimony he gave about all manner of things related to his behavior as a teen under oath! Would I convict him of a crime if I were on a jury? Um, no, because I understand what “beyond a reasonable doubt” means.

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And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Where in the world have you been when there were other SC nominee hearings? It is an arduous process. Any hint of a problem and people withdraw their names so their president can get a new nominee who can make it through the process.

Problem here is that his ambition is actually greater than anything else in him.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

Privileged whiny white male complaining about evil liberal conspiracy? Cry me a river.

Again - not a guy. But thanks for living up to your man-hating reputation!

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who thinks K’s life is ruined, I remind you of the Duke Lacrosse case. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/duke-lacrosse-case-fantastic-lies-documentary

The moral of the story is that if you went to Landon and the person you abused was Black and poor, you can get a top lawyer, get away with it and be paid millions. If you were stupid enough to end up with a corpse in your hands, as in the UVA case, then you went to jail.

The Duke lacrosse players have fabulous careers, doting wives, etc. ten years on. Maybe they will be coaching basketball for their daughters someday in Chevy Chase, too.

Ummm. Yes, because it was proven that these accusations were false. And now it is a generally accepted belief that these men were wrongly accused to begin with. If this truth had never emerged, they would be ruined for life. Just as Kavanaugh will be if he is not able to prove that he didn't do this. See the difference???

Actually, no. I don’t. None. That is why I mention it.

Mmmmkay. I'll attempt to spell it out for you. But honestly I don't know if that will work because I can't account for lack of intelligence or critical thinking here.

Duke Lacrosse Case: Accused boys were presumed guilty due to an accusation. After months of everyone thinking they were absolute monsters, but after players were allowed to present evidence to refute their accusers claim (which was actually possible to do since the date, time, location, and witnesses at the party were all "known" variables in the accusation), the case was dropped against them because no evidence could support the claim. It is now widely believed that the Duke Lacrosse players did not commit rape against this woman as she claimed they did. (Though they're behavior and overall character was deplorable that night...100% IMO)

Kavanaugh Case: Accused judge is presumed guilty due to an accusation. He is assumed to be a monster because "I believe her" is all that is required for society to forever place this label on him. He will have no recourse or avenue by which to refute her claim because there is no time/place/witnesses/evidence named that would allow him to offer any evidence (if he had any, 36 years later!) to counter in a "prove your own innocence"-type fashion that we apparently now require as a society.

This is how the two cases are different. And why his future is ruined and will forever be marked as a sexual predator, whereas theirs was not and they will not. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Applause. Thank you for spelling all of this out for the obtuse PP. I'm incredulous that anyone would claim there is no difference in these scenarios. Kavanaugh will never get to clear his name, simply because too much time has passed to present any hard evidence exonerating him. You are so right that now we're in a "prove your own innocence" time. It's frightening, to put it mildly.

Honest question: if you were Ford and this actually did happen, would you just shut up and not come forward? If so, why?

Honest answer: if I were Ford and this actually did happen, and I was seriously so traumatized that I couldn't move past it, then I would have come forward years ago. Like, decades ago.

Okay, well I’m sure Brett would have preferred his life to have been derailed before he went off to Yale but, hey, either way he’s not making it to SCOTUS

He will be confirmed. The base will eat the GOP alive otherwise and the senators are too chicken to risk that.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

Not right. You’re just whining about how awful it is that this poor man has to deal with this. Yeah, oh well. Shit happens. There are worse things in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who thinks K’s life is ruined, I remind you of the Duke Lacrosse case. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/duke-lacrosse-case-fantastic-lies-documentary

The moral of the story is that if you went to Landon and the person you abused was Black and poor, you can get a top lawyer, get away with it and be paid millions. If you were stupid enough to end up with a corpse in your hands, as in the UVA case, then you went to jail.

The Duke lacrosse players have fabulous careers, doting wives, etc. ten years on. Maybe they will be coaching basketball for their daughters someday in Chevy Chase, too.

Ummm. Yes, because it was proven that these accusations were false. And now it is a generally accepted belief that these men were wrongly accused to begin with. If this truth had never emerged, they would be ruined for life. Just as Kavanaugh will be if he is not able to prove that he didn't do this. See the difference???

Actually, no. I don’t. None. That is why I mention it.

Mmmmkay. I'll attempt to spell it out for you. But honestly I don't know if that will work because I can't account for lack of intelligence or critical thinking here.

Duke Lacrosse Case: Accused boys were presumed guilty due to an accusation. After months of everyone thinking they were absolute monsters, but after players were allowed to present evidence to refute their accusers claim (which was actually possible to do since the date, time, location, and witnesses at the party were all "known" variables in the accusation), the case was dropped against them because no evidence could support the claim. It is now widely believed that the Duke Lacrosse players did not commit rape against this woman as she claimed they did. (Though they're behavior and overall character was deplorable that night...100% IMO)

Kavanaugh Case: Accused judge is presumed guilty due to an accusation. He is assumed to be a monster because "I believe her" is all that is required for society to forever place this label on him. He will have no recourse or avenue by which to refute her claim because there is no time/place/witnesses/evidence named that would allow him to offer any evidence (if he had any, 36 years later!) to counter in a "prove your own innocence"-type fashion that we apparently now require as a society.

This is how the two cases are different. And why his future is ruined and will forever be marked as a sexual predator, whereas theirs was not and they will not. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Applause. Thank you for spelling all of this out for the obtuse PP. I'm incredulous that anyone would claim there is no difference in these scenarios. Kavanaugh will never get to clear his name, simply because too much time has passed to present any hard evidence exonerating him. You are so right that now we're in a "prove your own innocence" time. It's frightening, to put it mildly.

Bigger difference: duke guys were threatened with arrest and expulsion. That is a LOSS of freedom and education that they possessed. Kavanaugh is not entitled to confirmation. The question is: should we GIVE him this post? He loses nothing. The standard is different. Get it through your thick heads.

And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Who cares whether I think he’s “guilty”?! I’m not a jury! I have no power over his freedom. It’s just my damn opinion based on the pretty clearly false testimony he gave about all manner of things related to his behavior as a teen under oath! Would I convict him of a crime if I were on a jury? Um, no, because I understand what “beyond a reasonable doubt” means.

You're right, you have no power over his freedom (thank god). But it's people like you putting your guilt theories out there that are ruining this man's reputation. Think about it. If your husband or son were falsely accused of the same thing, and online trolls posted horrible things about them, with no basis in reality, wouldn't you be furious and want them to stop? Really hope karma doesn't come around and bite you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

How do you know he's innocent? Looks like your mind is already made up.

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And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Where in the world have you been when there were other SC nominee hearings? It is an arduous process. Any hint of a problem and people withdraw their names so their president can get a new nominee who can make it through the process.

Problem here is that his ambition is actually greater than anything else in him.

No. Problem here is that any "hint of a problem" should have - and COULD HAVE - been investigated before the hearing process even began. There was plenty of time for that this summer. But for some reason, that didn't happen. Can't imagine why!

[Anonymous]

Matt Damon was great on SNL but Bob Odenkirk will play Kavanaugh in the movie. Who plays Dr. Ford? Ashley looks like Maura Tierney but she's probably too old to play her now.

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And as many of us have stated, repeatedly - it isn't about his confirmation. I was neutral on him being confirmed at all, before these allegations came out. I honestly didn't feel strongly either way. With the accusation, I at least want to see him be treated fairly until and unless any evidence is presented that definitively ties him to this allegation. I've never thought he's "entitled" to confirmation. I don't know anyone that thinks that. What I *am* concerned about is his presumption of innocence. And every one of you claiming he's guilty with no proof should be too. It would really suck if you or a loved one were one day falsely accused of something, wouldn't it?

Where in the world have you been when there were other SC nominee hearings? It is an arduous process. Any hint of a problem and people withdraw their names so their president can get a new nominee who can make it through the process.

Problem here is that his ambition is actually greater than anything else in him.

No. Problem here is that any "hint of a problem" should have - and COULD HAVE - been investigated before the hearing process even began. There was plenty of time for that this summer. But for some reason, that didn't happen. Can't imagine why!

Yes, I simply can't imagine why there was no FBI investigation...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A a parent, I'd try to ensure my kids didn't interact too much with Kavanaugh; any sleepovers should be at my home, and I wouldn't let my kids drive with him
There's way too much alcohol in all these stories for me to be comfortable

And already, his life has been permanently altered. Nice.

Nothing has happened to his life. This will all be old news in a couple of weeks and he will be on the SCOTUS.

B.S. Whether he is or isn't confirmed, his life will never be the same. Thanks in large part to people like you.

I’m sorry but so what? Statistically speaking, she’s probably telling the damn truth.

But you don't know that she is. No one knows who's telling the truth. And I certainly care about an innocent man being treated as if he's guilty. You claim to also, but of course, only if we're talking about a POC. Right?

It doesn't matter. If you have a hint of scandal = NO SUPREME COURT

He was a wild guy in high school and partied a lot. Those are the breaks.

Funny that didn't come out until so late in the process. Really funny.