Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:I am glad he is fighting back. Gosh she really wants to ruin him. I think she didn’t realize that people are tired of watching people get cancelled.


God forbid sexual assaulters are canceled. I’m sure Boldoni can run for the US presidency in 2028.


Sorry, are you posting from some other country? In the US we are innocent until proven guilty. You don't cancel someone based solely on allegations. Or, people like you do, and get the facts later. You are exactly what is wrong with our current state.


LOL yeah I’m from Mars. The pp I responded to suggested Blake is guilty for ruining an innocent man, yet somehow that’s fine. And, we don’t cancel sexual assaulters in the US (see: election) so my point stands.


I am not following your point. Neither BL nor JB should be referred to as having been convicted of anything. They are accused (by each other) so neither should be "canceled" at this point. Let the facts play out. Don't add to the horrible state of letting social media posts create "truth".
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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read through everything, but the book is highly sexual. BL seemed to want to portray it as a rom com. The conflict between those opposing narratives got attention, and likely made it less successful than BL wanted it to be. At least that's what she's blaming it on. By Baldoni making a point to the media that it is a movie about sexual abuse, this undercut not only the level of success it could achieve, but also BL's own narrative.

I think they both have plenty of responsibility in terms of what went wrong here. But each prefers to point the finger at the other.



I suspect BL read the script and never read the book. It would explain some of the disconnect between their narratives of both how they wanted to market the film and what happened on set. I actually thought that about the movie itself, it couldn't quite decide what kind of film it wanted to be (it wasn't worth watching for anyone who hasn't seen it).


Yep. The initial abuse scene was much less than it was in the book. Almost like an accident.

As I've said, the whole thing is a hot mess.
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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t believe there was harassment but likely unprofessionalism. I And they just didn’t like each other. He’s was suppose to be the scapegoat but started fighting back.


Oh no! A good husband protecting his wife from an unprofessional sexual harasser. I'm sure we'll all be stunned and shocked at the texts that come out. If that suit we keep hearing about ever happens.


The last thing I would do in any professional situation is bring in my husband.


She was allowed to have a representative at the Jan meeting so she brought her husband. If your husband was an expert in your field you are not being honest if you say you would never bring him in, discuss anything with him, bounce ideas off him, etc. It makes perfect sense in this situation, less so if you're a dentist and your husband is a banker.


If I was being harassed, I’d bring a lawyer. An actor adds nothing.


So before you talk to your boss you bring in a lawyer?


So before you talk to your boss you bring your husband?
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Anonymous wrote:I am glad he is fighting back. Gosh she really wants to ruin him. I think she didn’t realize that people are tired of watching people get cancelled.


God forbid sexual assaulters are canceled. I’m sure Baldoni can run for the US presidency in 2028.


He was accused of sexual harassment not sexual assault and even the sexual harassment claim has so many holes. When you modify text messages to support your point, something is really wrong.

I think the reaction to Justin Baldoni is simply a case of prejudice, which means to prejudge. Prejudge means you make a judgement without an examining the facts objectively. I am not saying he is innocent, but people should wait until everything comes out in a trial. If he is wrong than he should suffer the consequences. If he is the victim, however, she and her husband should be sued to oblivion.

Sexual harassment is only one form of social injustice. Using a position of power to secure economic gain through psychological intimidation is another, it is called extortion.


This is a very insightful post. I see this in many areas of life and industry. People with power become enraged if they don't get their way or something goes against them. They are so used to this working that it only emboldens their behavior. I really think BL believes she can roll over whoever she wants, then threw a tantrum when it wasn't working with Baldoni. I go back to she wanted a rom com (as another PP said, I believe rightly) and never read the book which is very much not a rom com (became successful as an "ugly cry" book) and he who optioned the property long before BL was involved wanted to stay true to the book. BL probably never should have signed on, but did perhaps believing she could bend the project to her will. Speculation, no doubt, and as I've said, I don't like either one of them. However, I think people jump on one side or the other based on cherry picking whatever detail suit their own narrative and/or psyche.
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Anonymous wrote:I am glad he is fighting back. Gosh she really wants to ruin him. I think she didn’t realize that people are tired of watching people get cancelled.


God forbid sexual assaulters are canceled. I’m sure Boldoni can run for the US presidency in 2028.


Sorry, are you posting from some other country? In the US we are innocent until proven guilty. You don't cancel someone based solely on allegations. Or, people like you do, and get the facts later. You are exactly what is wrong with our current state.


LOL yeah I’m from Mars. The pp I responded to suggested Blake is guilty for ruining an innocent man, yet somehow that’s fine. And, we don’t cancel sexual assaulters in the US (see: election) so my point stands.


I am not following your point. Neither BL nor JB should be referred to as having been convicted of anything. They are accused (by each other) so neither should be "canceled" at this point. Let the facts play out. Don't add to the horrible state of letting social media posts create "truth".


My point is that you’re calling me out, but not the poster who is sure BL is “canceling” an implied innocent man. So you are policing one side while also ignoring my larger point that on its face her post is ridiculous because we don’t automatically cancel men for sexual harassment or assault in this country.
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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t believe there was harassment but likely unprofessionalism. I And they just didn’t like each other. He’s was suppose to be the scapegoat but started fighting back.


Oh no! A good husband protecting his wife from an unprofessional sexual harasser. I'm sure we'll all be stunned and shocked at the texts that come out. If that suit we keep hearing about ever happens.


The last thing I would do in any professional situation is bring in my husband.


She was allowed to have a representative at the Jan meeting so she brought her husband. If your husband was an expert in your field you are not being honest if you say you would never bring him in, discuss anything with him, bounce ideas off him, etc. It makes perfect sense in this situation, less so if you're a dentist and your husband is a banker.


If I was being harassed, I’d bring a lawyer. An actor adds nothing.


So before you talk to your boss you bring in a lawyer?


So before you talk to your boss you bring your husband?


She was told to bring a representative. This isn't like your boring jobby job. Do you also strip down to nothing but a sticky on your genitals on the regular at work?
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Anonymous wrote:what are you talking about? He was bringing a book to life. Have you read the book? He is a director and creative and he had an intimacy coordinator. This is acting and not for everyone. You don’t get to be in a movie with all sorts of sex and also very uncomfortable themes and then call harassment after when you know what the movie is.


Yes, you absolutely do get to do that if you are in fact sexually harassed. TV shows and movies have birth scenes and loves scenes all the time. That doesn't mean you can't be harassed. You can even be harassed on the set of a porn film. The jury will decide whether harassment occurred or not, but this argument is ridiculous.


It’s a fair point that harassment has to be evaluated in context. Talking about sex in the context of directing a sec scene is different than talking about sex in a comedic scene.


Context is fine but not a categorical statement like the one quoted.
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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t believe there was harassment but likely unprofessionalism. I And they just didn’t like each other. He’s was suppose to be the scapegoat but started fighting back.


Oh no! A good husband protecting his wife from an unprofessional sexual harasser. I'm sure we'll all be stunned and shocked at the texts that come out. If that suit we keep hearing about ever happens.


The last thing I would do in any professional situation is bring in my husband.


She was allowed to have a representative at the Jan meeting so she brought her husband. If your husband was an expert in your field you are not being honest if you say you would never bring him in, discuss anything with him, bounce ideas off him, etc. It makes perfect sense in this situation, less so if you're a dentist and your husband is a banker.


If I was being harassed, I’d bring a lawyer. An actor adds nothing.


So before you talk to your boss you bring in a lawyer?


So before you talk to your boss you bring your husband?


She was told to bring a representative. This isn't like your boring jobby job. Do you also strip down to nothing but a sticky on your genitals on the regular at work?


Rude as ever, weird that you think that makes you anything but a jerk,
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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t believe there was harassment but likely unprofessionalism. I And they just didn’t like each other. He’s was suppose to be the scapegoat but started fighting back.


Oh no! A good husband protecting his wife from an unprofessional sexual harasser. I'm sure we'll all be stunned and shocked at the texts that come out. If that suit we keep hearing about ever happens.


The last thing I would do in any professional situation is bring in my husband.


She was allowed to have a representative at the Jan meeting so she brought her husband. If your husband was an expert in your field you are not being honest if you say you would never bring him in, discuss anything with him, bounce ideas off him, etc. It makes perfect sense in this situation, less so if you're a dentist and your husband is a banker.


If I was being harassed, I’d bring a lawyer. An actor adds nothing.


So before you talk to your boss you bring in a lawyer?


So before you talk to your boss you bring your husband?


She was told to bring a representative. This isn't like your boring jobby job. Do you also strip down to nothing but a sticky on your genitals on the regular at work?


Rude as ever, weird that you think that makes you anything but a jerk,


When you have no effective arguments, the name calling starts. Typical.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t believe there was harassment but likely unprofessionalism. I And they just didn’t like each other. He’s was suppose to be the scapegoat but started fighting back.


Oh no! A good husband protecting his wife from an unprofessional sexual harasser. I'm sure we'll all be stunned and shocked at the texts that come out. If that suit we keep hearing about ever happens.


The last thing I would do in any professional situation is bring in my husband.


She was allowed to have a representative at the Jan meeting so she brought her husband. If your husband was an expert in your field you are not being honest if you say you would never bring him in, discuss anything with him, bounce ideas off him, etc. It makes perfect sense in this situation, less so if you're a dentist and your husband is a banker.


If I was being harassed, I’d bring a lawyer. An actor adds nothing.


So before you talk to your boss you bring in a lawyer?


So before you talk to your boss you bring your husband?


She was told to bring a representative. This isn't like your boring jobby job. Do you also strip down to nothing but a sticky on your genitals on the regular at work?


You sound like a nanny.
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Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t believe there was harassment but likely unprofessionalism. I And they just didn’t like each other. He’s was suppose to be the scapegoat but started fighting back.


Oh no! A good husband protecting his wife from an unprofessional sexual harasser. I'm sure we'll all be stunned and shocked at the texts that come out. If that suit we keep hearing about ever happens.


The last thing I would do in any professional situation is bring in my husband.


She was allowed to have a representative at the Jan meeting so she brought her husband. If your husband was an expert in your field you are not being honest if you say you would never bring him in, discuss anything with him, bounce ideas off him, etc. It makes perfect sense in this situation, less so if you're a dentist and your husband is a banker.


If I was being harassed, I’d bring a lawyer. An actor adds nothing.


So before you talk to your boss you bring in a lawyer?


So before you talk to your boss you bring your husband?


She was told to bring a representative. This isn't like your boring jobby job. Do you also strip down to nothing but a sticky on your genitals on the regular at work?


You sound like a nanny.


Do you have an issue with nannies? If you don’t want to talk about work don’t bring it up because what you would do at your irrelevant job has no bearing on this situation.
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The p—n addiction thing is really getting to me because I know about Justin Baldoni’s porn addiction well before this lawsuit ever happened. He talks about it in his podcast and other talks. Should I sue Justin?

Obviously, it could be very inappropriate and harassment, depending on the context, but because they were talking about very sexual themes, there was an almost rape scene in the movie, things get sexually violent, his character was a very dark man, I could maybe see where he was bringing it up in a different context. Again, not defending him just saying that I’m open to that idea.

I was surprised when I saw that Blake was inviting him to run lines while she pumped. Not judging her for that, but I’ve never been in a work situation comfortable enough to have a coworker with me while I pumped. Hollywood sets are very different beasts. It sounds like a lot of boundaries were crossed when maybe people were OK with it and when the relationship turned and then things are being looked at differently. I think at one point these two are very comfortable with each other and there’s no question that they had to have conversations about very dark themes to do this movie.

Could be totally wrong and more could come out makes Justin look worse, I’m just saying that there is some context here, and it’s really interesting that he and his lawyer are using the term manipulation to explain Blake because I can see how it’s possible to manipulate some of these situations. I think we will learn a lot more from the actual lawsuits if they move forward.

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Anonymous wrote:The p—n addiction thing is really getting to me because I know about Justin Baldoni’s porn addiction well before this lawsuit ever happened. He talks about it in his podcast and other talks. Should I sue Justin?

Obviously, it could be very inappropriate and harassment, depending on the context, but because they were talking about very sexual themes, there was an almost rape scene in the movie, things get sexually violent, his character was a very dark man, I could maybe see where he was bringing it up in a different context. Again, not defending him just saying that I’m open to that idea.

I was surprised when I saw that Blake was inviting him to run lines while she pumped. Not judging her for that, but I’ve never been in a work situation comfortable enough to have a coworker with me while I pumped. Hollywood sets are very different beasts. It sounds like a lot of boundaries were crossed when maybe people were OK with it and when the relationship turned and then things are being looked at differently. I think at one point these two are very comfortable with each other and there’s no question that they had to have conversations about very dark themes to do this movie.

Could be totally wrong and more could come out makes Justin look worse, I’m just saying that there is some context here, and it’s really interesting that he and his lawyer are using the term manipulation to explain Blake because I can see how it’s possible to manipulate some of these situations. I think we will learn a lot more from the actual lawsuits if they move forward.



Regarding the porn addiction thing, the relevant issues to me are:

1) if Lively asked Baldoni and Heath to stop bringing it up and they kept doing it, that shows a disregard for boundaries. It's not a HUGE deal on its own, but could be part of a broader problem if Lively repeatedly tried to set boundaries and they ignored them.

2) Lively describes an incident where Baldoni was talking about porn and Lively told him she'd never seen it. Baldoni expressed surprise and made a bit g deal out of this, and then shared this info with a larger group from the cast and crew, like "can you believe she's never seen porn?" Again it's not like life shattering incident but it's obnoxious and boundary violating and if part of a pattern, I think it's a problem.

For me that's the crux of it -- this stuff adds up. When I first started hearing about Lively's allegations, I was dismissive because none of them felt like that big of a deal, and it seemed like they could have been misunderstandings. But when I read the complaint, I came to see how these things add up and could just break a person. I could also see how Lively seemed to be trying to resolve the issues herself, talking to the producers or asking Sony to weigh in, but she was getting ignored or people would say an issue would be addressed and then wasn't. If true, that's a problem.
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I would expect someone to jokingly mock me if I said I’d never watched porn. You don’t deserve to have an environment that caters to your every whim or is free from any discomfort. There are men out there (another example is Dax Shepard) who are really trying to get men to be more vulnerable
and to openly talk about their struggles. They want men to feel less shame in general, so they lead by example and openly talk about their own stuff. That’s why JB wrote Man Enough and had that podcast. A part of treating an addiction is getting it out in the open. And many men struggle with porn addiction. Now we’re telling them if they talk about it it’s not just shameful but actually harassment.

She may have some legitimate claims but when you throw every little petty thing at someone it weakens the legitimate claims.
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Anonymous wrote:The p—n addiction thing is really getting to me because I know about Justin Baldoni’s porn addiction well before this lawsuit ever happened. He talks about it in his podcast and other talks. Should I sue Justin?

Obviously, it could be very inappropriate and harassment, depending on the context, but because they were talking about very sexual themes, there was an almost rape scene in the movie, things get sexually violent, his character was a very dark man, I could maybe see where he was bringing it up in a different context. Again, not defending him just saying that I’m open to that idea.

I was surprised when I saw that Blake was inviting him to run lines while she pumped. Not judging her for that, but I’ve never been in a work situation comfortable enough to have a coworker with me while I pumped. Hollywood sets are very different beasts. It sounds like a lot of boundaries were crossed when maybe people were OK with it and when the relationship turned and then things are being looked at differently. I think at one point these two are very comfortable with each other and there’s no question that they had to have conversations about very dark themes to do this movie.

Could be totally wrong and more could come out makes Justin look worse, I’m just saying that there is some context here, and it’s really interesting that he and his lawyer are using the term manipulation to explain Blake because I can see how it’s possible to manipulate some of these situations. I think we will learn a lot more from the actual lawsuits if they move forward.



So the context is because he’s a porn addict that’s why he’s bringing up porn at work? Can you imagine if cubicle Curt was also a porn addict and was talking about it with you? Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to see your dick. Why is this so hard for some men to grasp? In fact, if he has a porn addiction I can see him wanting this movie to be as pornographic as possible. Was his friend that he put in front of Blake’s labia a porn addict too?
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