Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:The whole discussion of the birth scene is so stupid. They didn’t want the camera anywhere near Livelys crotch because we all knew she wasn’t pregnant, there was no crowning, there was no baby coming out. And yet people acted like they were trying to get shots of genitalia or something… I don’t get it.

Further, when you look at the scene, you can see the actor playing the doctor‘s full face. He was nowhere near and I mean nowhere near her crotch. You do realize again she was not actually giving birth and he wasn’t actually doing an exam on her and helping her birth a baby right?

The poor man was probably on set for half an hour, and he probably couldn’t get out of there fast enough given how difficult lively is.

+1 and if she was in fact wearing briefs he didn’t SEE anything either… yes she was in stirrups so he saw her thighs, but her private parts were covered.

This isn’t the first birthing scene ever in a film, why were they trying to reinvent the wheel here?

This, it's so weird that Baldoni/Heath somehow got this idea in their head that Lively would be nude (including topless) in the scene, and thought they could throw that at her the day of filming. Baldoni has done birth scenes before (where the actress was fully covered up with no implied nudity at all) and surely they've both seen movies before? Here are a bunch of birth scenes from critically-respected films, none of which required the actress to be topless or featured shots of the actress from the side with her hips and belly exposed:

Juno: https://youtu.be/-0EiP69JURo?si=bWI6Pqh2yusZ1cZ0
A Quiet Place: https://youtu.be/ahsiP2sJzGk?si=D6k13refCr7yF43P
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves: https://youtu.be/S_UiEFYUJ18?si=qlWP04qEK9aslti2

There are more, these are just the ones that came up when I googled. I also found the birth scene from Children of Men (talk about a pivotal scene) but didn't include it because it does include a shot where you very briefly see the baby emerging from her body, but it's super fast and obviously done with a prosthetic of some kind -- the actress is wearing a dress and you only see her knees in the scene even though it's dramatic and graphic.

So the idea that Lively should have just expected to be totally nude in this birth scene with no warning and that they didn't need an IC or to take some extra care with it is deranged to me. It's a much more exposed version of a birth scene even for a dramatic movie than is typical. But because their wives gave birth nude, they expected Lively to simulate that in this movie? WTF? It's so weird.

Serious question, why do you post this argument every single day, sometimes twice a day ? Do you think you will wear us down? Do you think we haven’t seen it before? What is your point?

I have never posted the above argument in this thread or anywhere at any point in the past.

If you are asking why the thread often discusses the birth scene from the movie, it's because it is central to Lively's complaint against Baldoni and because I, and others, am interested in the underlying legal arguments about whether what happened constitutes harassment. I also personally find it interesting to discuss how filmmakers address the issue of childbirth -- how it's filmed, how actresses who perform it are treated, etc.

If you don't want to discuss the childbirth scene or the issues related to it, you are more than welcome to not read this thread. But it's directly relevant to the subject of the thread in a way that, say, the exact shade of Lively's hair in the movie, is not. Or you can do what I do and simply ignore the posts in the thread that don't interest you. But you cannot simply demand I don't discuss this on-topic aspect of this case, because I and others are interested in it and are having a conversation about it.

DP here.
I think you have become fanatical about this and the astroturfing because you believe that these are the only two arguments from BL that JB has not refuted with receipts yet. So you are trying to convince us/the wind/anyone with a pulse that the birthing scene is the smoking gun that proves BL’s point.

You appear rather obsessed with mischaracterization and discomfort with the way a director wanted a scene acted. That BL is the only expert of what a birthing scene can look like since she had 4 kids (even though JB and others also had kids), and all other takes are null and void, or just ‘weird.’ I mean, did she even read the book? Didn’t she reject an IC when offered one?

Guess what—every woman I know who’s given birth naturally has given birth with no undies. Imagine that.

Now imagine a director who asks to recreate this fact for a movie and is told that the actress is made uncomfortable to act out a scene in this manner. Fine, but it wasn’t out of character based on how childbirths actually happen.

I know that we all have sides on this, but let’s be really honest here: JB did not harass her. And trying to overemphasize and overanalyze these minor details like the delivery scene, doesn’t make it harassment.

I get it, you think the delivery scene is a "minor detail." But you need to get this: I do not think it's a minor detail. I think it's really important. That's why I keep bringing it up, and it's why others on the thread keep discussing it as well. If you don't want to discuss it, don't! You can ignore these posts. Every time to reply to these posts, it drives more discussion of the scene because I fundamentally disagree with your take on it and will continue to disagree. So here:

Literally no one has contended it's normal for women to give birth with "undies" on. That's not even a part of this conversation, so you can put that straw man away.

How many women do you know who gave birth topless with no hospital gown or covering over the upper half of their body? I only know a couple and they didn't have hospital births like the one depicted in the movie. So I think it's weird Baldoni and Heath would assume that Lively would do the scene topless and that they pressured her to do it that way and she had to argue her way into wearing a hospital gown.

And, related to my prior comment above, it is very unusual for a birth scene to show a woman as though she is nude from the waist down. I provided several links to birth scenes from other movies, none of which show anywhere close to as much of the actress's lower body as the scene in IEWU. In this movie, they have multiple shotes of Lively from the side and from behind the doctor where her entire legs and her bar hips and waist are visible. That is not even close to typical in a film, even a dramatic film where the birth scene is pivotal to the plot and highly emotional. I've literally never seen a childbirth scene filmed in this way. Have you? It really seems like Baldoni was doing something highly unusual with the way he wanted this scene shot, yet he made zero effort to let Lively know they'd be filming the scene in this way, and didn't even alert her to their plans until the day they filmed the scene? And even though they intended to have her simulate full nudity and ultimately had her simulate partial nudity, they didn't have an IC on set and didn't discuss it with the IC ahead of time?

You can dismiss it all you want but this is a big deal. It's a major irregularity in the way the movie was filmed and I think it's one of Lively's strongest allegations in terms of the SH side because I think it will be easy for Lively to get expert testimony that the way Baldoni and Heath went about this scene was strange, disrespectful, and likely a violation of both SAG-AFTRA guidelines and potentially also Lively's contract.

If you don't think it's a big deal, okay. Stop replying to my posts about it. But no, I am not going to stop posting about it just because you think it's all fine and doesn't matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan know this is only hurting them. They will wise up and quietly settle. Soon. Watch and see.

That said, I have no idea what the terms and spin will be or what could possibly salvage their careers and make Justin whole —

I would have expected it to happen already. I am shocked that they let it get to this point.

They are uneducated egomaniacs.

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Lawyers, crisis PR, et al love to milk rich clients.

If they had common sense they wouldn’t be in the trouble they are now. Did Ryan go to college?

I don't know, but I know from Baldoni's website that he started (on an athletic scholarship) but dropped out and never graduated.

Reynolds is also a college drop out. Though I actually don't think it matters that none of them graduated college. They are actors and work in Hollywood. College is great for a lot of things but I don't know how useful it is for that career. A lot of people in Hollywood who never went to college seem to be quite intelligent and thoughtful, and a lot of people in Hollywood (and elsewhere) who did go to college seem like idiots to me.

It's just not really relevant and a weird thing to get hung up on, IMO. Especially since none of the main parties are college grads!

I disagree, Ryan and Blake are both wildly out of touch with the world outside their bubble. Some time away from the set with normal people would have benefitted them enormously.

But that real life experience could come from anywhere. How about working in retail or a blue collar job. Put RR out on a construction project or a plumber or something, that would humble him. Blake could work as an RN or preschool teacher or something. Ha! Now I would pay to see them flounder in these situations.

Has Baldoni ever worked in retail or as a nurse? What does this have to do with anything?

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Anonymous wrote:The whole discussion of the birth scene is so stupid. They didn’t want the camera anywhere near Livelys crotch because we all knew she wasn’t pregnant, there was no crowning, there was no baby coming out. And yet people acted like they were trying to get shots of genitalia or something… I don’t get it.

Further, when you look at the scene, you can see the actor playing the doctor‘s full face. He was nowhere near and I mean nowhere near her crotch. You do realize again she was not actually giving birth and he wasn’t actually doing an exam on her and helping her birth a baby right?

The poor man was probably on set for half an hour, and he probably couldn’t get out of there fast enough given how difficult lively is.

+1 and if she was in fact wearing briefs he didn’t SEE anything either… yes she was in stirrups so he saw her thighs, but her private parts were covered.

This isn’t the first birthing scene ever in a film, why were they trying to reinvent the wheel here?

This, it's so weird that Baldoni/Heath somehow got this idea in their head that Lively would be nude (including topless) in the scene, and thought they could throw that at her the day of filming. Baldoni has done birth scenes before (where the actress was fully covered up with no implied nudity at all) and surely they've both seen movies before? Here are a bunch of birth scenes from critically-respected films, none of which required the actress to be topless or featured shots of the actress from the side with her hips and belly exposed:

Juno: https://youtu.be/-0EiP69JURo?si=bWI6Pqh2yusZ1cZ0
A Quiet Place: https://youtu.be/ahsiP2sJzGk?si=D6k13refCr7yF43P
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves: https://youtu.be/S_UiEFYUJ18?si=qlWP04qEK9aslti2

There are more, these are just the ones that came up when I googled. I also found the birth scene from Children of Men (talk about a pivotal scene) but didn't include it because it does include a shot where you very briefly see the baby emerging from her body, but it's super fast and obviously done with a prosthetic of some kind -- the actress is wearing a dress and you only see her knees in the scene even though it's dramatic and graphic.

So the idea that Lively should have just expected to be totally nude in this birth scene with no warning and that they didn't need an IC or to take some extra care with it is deranged to me. It's a much more exposed version of a birth scene even for a dramatic movie than is typical. But because their wives gave birth nude, they expected Lively to simulate that in this movie? WTF? It's so weird.

Serious question, why do you post this argument every single day, sometimes twice a day ? Do you think you will wear us down? Do you think we haven’t seen it before? What is your point?

I have never posted the above argument in this thread or anywhere at any point in the past.

If you are asking why the thread often discusses the birth scene from the movie, it's because it is central to Lively's complaint against Baldoni and because I, and others, am interested in the underlying legal arguments about whether what happened constitutes harassment. I also personally find it interesting to discuss how filmmakers address the issue of childbirth -- how it's filmed, how actresses who perform it are treated, etc.

If you don't want to discuss the childbirth scene or the issues related to it, you are more than welcome to not read this thread. But it's directly relevant to the subject of the thread in a way that, say, the exact shade of Lively's hair in the movie, is not. Or you can do what I do and simply ignore the posts in the thread that don't interest you. But you cannot simply demand I don't discuss this on-topic aspect of this case, because I and others are interested in it and are having a conversation about it.

DP here.
I think you have become fanatical about this and the astroturfing because you believe that these are the only two arguments from BL that JB has not refuted with receipts yet. So you are trying to convince us/the wind/anyone with a pulse that the birthing scene is the smoking gun that proves BL’s point.

You appear rather obsessed with mischaracterization and discomfort with the way a director wanted a scene acted. That BL is the only expert of what a birthing scene can look like since she had 4 kids (even though JB and others also had kids), and all other takes are null and void, or just ‘weird.’ I mean, did she even read the book? Didn’t she reject an IC when offered one?

Guess what—every woman I know who’s given birth naturally has given birth with no undies. Imagine that.

Now imagine a director who asks to recreate this fact for a movie and is told that the actress is made uncomfortable to act out a scene in this manner. Fine, but it wasn’t out of character based on how childbirths actually happen.

I know that we all have sides on this, but let’s be really honest here: JB did not harass her. And trying to overemphasize and overanalyze these minor details like the delivery scene, doesn’t make it harassment.

I get it, you think the delivery scene is a "minor detail." But you need to get this: I do not think it's a minor detail. I think it's really important. That's why I keep bringing it up, and it's why others on the thread keep discussing it as well. If you don't want to discuss it, don't! You can ignore these posts. Every time to reply to these posts, it drives more discussion of the scene because I fundamentally disagree with your take on it and will continue to disagree. So here:

Literally no one has contended it's normal for women to give birth with "undies" on. That's not even a part of this conversation, so you can put that straw man away.

How many women do you know who gave birth topless with no hospital gown or covering over the upper half of their body? I only know a couple and they didn't have hospital births like the one depicted in the movie. So I think it's weird Baldoni and Heath would assume that Lively would do the scene topless and that they pressured her to do it that way and she had to argue her way into wearing a hospital gown.

And, related to my prior comment above, it is very unusual for a birth scene to show a woman as though she is nude from the waist down. I provided several links to birth scenes from other movies, none of which show anywhere close to as much of the actress's lower body as the scene in IEWU. In this movie, they have multiple shotes of Lively from the side and from behind the doctor where her entire legs and her bar hips and waist are visible. That is not even close to typical in a film, even a dramatic film where the birth scene is pivotal to the plot and highly emotional. I've literally never seen a childbirth scene filmed in this way. Have you? It really seems like Baldoni was doing something highly unusual with the way he wanted this scene shot, yet he made zero effort to let Lively know they'd be filming the scene in this way, and didn't even alert her to their plans until the day they filmed the scene? And even though they intended to have her simulate full nudity and ultimately had her simulate partial nudity, they didn't have an IC on set and didn't discuss it with the IC ahead of time?

You can dismiss it all you want but this is a big deal. It's a major irregularity in the way the movie was filmed and I think it's one of Lively's strongest allegations in terms of the SH side because I think it will be easy for Lively to get expert testimony that the way Baldoni and Heath went about this scene was strange, disrespectful, and likely a violation of both SAG-AFTRA guidelines and potentially also Lively's contract.

If you don't think it's a big deal, okay. Stop replying to my posts about it. But no, I am not going to stop posting about it just because you think it's all fine and doesn't matter.

We keep telling you it doesn’t matter whether partial or even full nudity was discussed because she filmed it fully clothed. That isn’t sexual harassment no matter how many times you post it.

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Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole discussion of the birth scene is so stupid. They didn’t want the camera anywhere near Livelys crotch because we all knew she wasn’t pregnant, there was no crowning, there was no baby coming out. And yet people acted like they were trying to get shots of genitalia or something… I don’t get it.

Further, when you look at the scene, you can see the actor playing the doctor‘s full face. He was nowhere near and I mean nowhere near her crotch. You do realize again she was not actually giving birth and he wasn’t actually doing an exam on her and helping her birth a baby right?

The poor man was probably on set for half an hour, and he probably couldn’t get out of there fast enough given how difficult lively is.

+1 and if she was in fact wearing briefs he didn’t SEE anything either… yes she was in stirrups so he saw her thighs, but her private parts were covered.

This isn’t the first birthing scene ever in a film, why were they trying to reinvent the wheel here?

This, it's so weird that Baldoni/Heath somehow got this idea in their head that Lively would be nude (including topless) in the scene, and thought they could throw that at her the day of filming. Baldoni has done birth scenes before (where the actress was fully covered up with no implied nudity at all) and surely they've both seen movies before? Here are a bunch of birth scenes from critically-respected films, none of which required the actress to be topless or featured shots of the actress from the side with her hips and belly exposed:

Juno: https://youtu.be/-0EiP69JURo?si=bWI6Pqh2yusZ1cZ0
A Quiet Place: https://youtu.be/ahsiP2sJzGk?si=D6k13refCr7yF43P
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves: https://youtu.be/S_UiEFYUJ18?si=qlWP04qEK9aslti2

There are more, these are just the ones that came up when I googled. I also found the birth scene from Children of Men (talk about a pivotal scene) but didn't include it because it does include a shot where you very briefly see the baby emerging from her body, but it's super fast and obviously done with a prosthetic of some kind -- the actress is wearing a dress and you only see her knees in the scene even though it's dramatic and graphic.

So the idea that Lively should have just expected to be totally nude in this birth scene with no warning and that they didn't need an IC or to take some extra care with it is deranged to me. It's a much more exposed version of a birth scene even for a dramatic movie than is typical. But because their wives gave birth nude, they expected Lively to simulate that in this movie? WTF? It's so weird.

Serious question, why do you post this argument every single day, sometimes twice a day ? Do you think you will wear us down? Do you think we haven’t seen it before? What is your point?

I have never posted the above argument in this thread or anywhere at any point in the past.

If you are asking why the thread often discusses the birth scene from the movie, it's because it is central to Lively's complaint against Baldoni and because I, and others, am interested in the underlying legal arguments about whether what happened constitutes harassment. I also personally find it interesting to discuss how filmmakers address the issue of childbirth -- how it's filmed, how actresses who perform it are treated, etc.

If you don't want to discuss the childbirth scene or the issues related to it, you are more than welcome to not read this thread. But it's directly relevant to the subject of the thread in a way that, say, the exact shade of Lively's hair in the movie, is not. Or you can do what I do and simply ignore the posts in the thread that don't interest you. But you cannot simply demand I don't discuss this on-topic aspect of this case, because I and others are interested in it and are having a conversation about it.

DP here.
I think you have become fanatical about this and the astroturfing because you believe that these are the only two arguments from BL that JB has not refuted with receipts yet. So you are trying to convince us/the wind/anyone with a pulse that the birthing scene is the smoking gun that proves BL’s point.

You appear rather obsessed with mischaracterization and discomfort with the way a director wanted a scene acted. That BL is the only expert of what a birthing scene can look like since she had 4 kids (even though JB and others also had kids), and all other takes are null and void, or just ‘weird.’ I mean, did she even read the book? Didn’t she reject an IC when offered one?

Guess what—every woman I know who’s given birth naturally has given birth with no undies. Imagine that.

Now imagine a director who asks to recreate this fact for a movie and is told that the actress is made uncomfortable to act out a scene in this manner. Fine, but it wasn’t out of character based on how childbirths actually happen.

I know that we all have sides on this, but let’s be really honest here: JB did not harass her. And trying to overemphasize and overanalyze these minor details like the delivery scene, doesn’t make it harassment.

I get it, you think the delivery scene is a "minor detail." But you need to get this: I do not think it's a minor detail. I think it's really important. That's why I keep bringing it up, and it's why others on the thread keep discussing it as well. If you don't want to discuss it, don't! You can ignore these posts. Every time to reply to these posts, it drives more discussion of the scene because I fundamentally disagree with your take on it and will continue to disagree. So here:

Literally no one has contended it's normal for women to give birth with "undies" on. That's not even a part of this conversation, so you can put that straw man away.

How many women do you know who gave birth topless with no hospital gown or covering over the upper half of their body? I only know a couple and they didn't have hospital births like the one depicted in the movie. So I think it's weird Baldoni and Heath would assume that Lively would do the scene topless and that they pressured her to do it that way and she had to argue her way into wearing a hospital gown.

And, related to my prior comment above, it is very unusual for a birth scene to show a woman as though she is nude from the waist down. I provided several links to birth scenes from other movies, none of which show anywhere close to as much of the actress's lower body as the scene in IEWU. In this movie, they have multiple shotes of Lively from the side and from behind the doctor where her entire legs and her bar hips and waist are visible. That is not even close to typical in a film, even a dramatic film where the birth scene is pivotal to the plot and highly emotional. I've literally never seen a childbirth scene filmed in this way. Have you? It really seems like Baldoni was doing something highly unusual with the way he wanted this scene shot, yet he made zero effort to let Lively know they'd be filming the scene in this way, and didn't even alert her to their plans until the day they filmed the scene? And even though they intended to have her simulate full nudity and ultimately had her simulate partial nudity, they didn't have an IC on set and didn't discuss it with the IC ahead of time?

You can dismiss it all you want but this is a big deal. It's a major irregularity in the way the movie was filmed and I think it's one of Lively's strongest allegations in terms of the SH side because I think it will be easy for Lively to get expert testimony that the way Baldoni and Heath went about this scene was strange, disrespectful, and likely a violation of both SAG-AFTRA guidelines and potentially also Lively's contract.

If you don't think it's a big deal, okay. Stop replying to my posts about it. But no, I am not going to stop posting about it just because you think it's all fine and doesn't matter.

DP and I agree with you. And if Baldoni really wanted to film this using the female gaze, as he said he intended to do in this movie, the whole scene would have been mostly a shot showing what Lively saw, which would have been 90% hospital gown, 5% bare leg below the thigh, and 5% bald head of the doctor (and any attendant nurses) there to catch the baby on the other end. Almost no skin at all, certainly no nudity, and Lively could have worn a scuba suit except for some bare leg. That was my birth experience, anyway, and I know I’m not alone.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole discussion of the birth scene is so stupid. They didn’t want the camera anywhere near Livelys crotch because we all knew she wasn’t pregnant, there was no crowning, there was no baby coming out. And yet people acted like they were trying to get shots of genitalia or something… I don’t get it.

Further, when you look at the scene, you can see the actor playing the doctor‘s full face. He was nowhere near and I mean nowhere near her crotch. You do realize again she was not actually giving birth and he wasn’t actually doing an exam on her and helping her birth a baby right?

The poor man was probably on set for half an hour, and he probably couldn’t get out of there fast enough given how difficult lively is.

+1 and if she was in fact wearing briefs he didn’t SEE anything either… yes she was in stirrups so he saw her thighs, but her private parts were covered.

This isn’t the first birthing scene ever in a film, why were they trying to reinvent the wheel here?

This, it's so weird that Baldoni/Heath somehow got this idea in their head that Lively would be nude (including topless) in the scene, and thought they could throw that at her the day of filming. Baldoni has done birth scenes before (where the actress was fully covered up with no implied nudity at all) and surely they've both seen movies before? Here are a bunch of birth scenes from critically-respected films, none of which required the actress to be topless or featured shots of the actress from the side with her hips and belly exposed:

Juno: https://youtu.be/-0EiP69JURo?si=bWI6Pqh2yusZ1cZ0
A Quiet Place: https://youtu.be/ahsiP2sJzGk?si=D6k13refCr7yF43P
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves: https://youtu.be/S_UiEFYUJ18?si=qlWP04qEK9aslti2

There are more, these are just the ones that came up when I googled. I also found the birth scene from Children of Men (talk about a pivotal scene) but didn't include it because it does include a shot where you very briefly see the baby emerging from her body, but it's super fast and obviously done with a prosthetic of some kind -- the actress is wearing a dress and you only see her knees in the scene even though it's dramatic and graphic.

So the idea that Lively should have just expected to be totally nude in this birth scene with no warning and that they didn't need an IC or to take some extra care with it is deranged to me. It's a much more exposed version of a birth scene even for a dramatic movie than is typical. But because their wives gave birth nude, they expected Lively to simulate that in this movie? WTF? It's so weird.

Serious question, why do you post this argument every single day, sometimes twice a day ? Do you think you will wear us down? Do you think we haven’t seen it before? What is your point?

I have never posted the above argument in this thread or anywhere at any point in the past.

If you are asking why the thread often discusses the birth scene from the movie, it's because it is central to Lively's complaint against Baldoni and because I, and others, am interested in the underlying legal arguments about whether what happened constitutes harassment. I also personally find it interesting to discuss how filmmakers address the issue of childbirth -- how it's filmed, how actresses who perform it are treated, etc.

If you don't want to discuss the childbirth scene or the issues related to it, you are more than welcome to not read this thread. But it's directly relevant to the subject of the thread in a way that, say, the exact shade of Lively's hair in the movie, is not. Or you can do what I do and simply ignore the posts in the thread that don't interest you. But you cannot simply demand I don't discuss this on-topic aspect of this case, because I and others are interested in it and are having a conversation about it.

DP here.
I think you have become fanatical about this and the astroturfing because you believe that these are the only two arguments from BL that JB has not refuted with receipts yet. So you are trying to convince us/the wind/anyone with a pulse that the birthing scene is the smoking gun that proves BL’s point.

You appear rather obsessed with mischaracterization and discomfort with the way a director wanted a scene acted. That BL is the only expert of what a birthing scene can look like since she had 4 kids (even though JB and others also had kids), and all other takes are null and void, or just ‘weird.’ I mean, did she even read the book? Didn’t she reject an IC when offered one?

Guess what—every woman I know who’s given birth naturally has given birth with no undies. Imagine that.

Now imagine a director who asks to recreate this fact for a movie and is told that the actress is made uncomfortable to act out a scene in this manner. Fine, but it wasn’t out of character based on how childbirths actually happen.

I know that we all have sides on this, but let’s be really honest here: JB did not harass her. And trying to overemphasize and overanalyze these minor details like the delivery scene, doesn’t make it harassment.

I get it, you think the delivery scene is a "minor detail." But you need to get this: I do not think it's a minor detail. I think it's really important. That's why I keep bringing it up, and it's why others on the thread keep discussing it as well. If you don't want to discuss it, don't! You can ignore these posts. Every time to reply to these posts, it drives more discussion of the scene because I fundamentally disagree with your take on it and will continue to disagree. So here:

Literally no one has contended it's normal for women to give birth with "undies" on. That's not even a part of this conversation, so you can put that straw man away.

How many women do you know who gave birth topless with no hospital gown or covering over the upper half of their body? I only know a couple and they didn't have hospital births like the one depicted in the movie. So I think it's weird Baldoni and Heath would assume that Lively would do the scene topless and that they pressured her to do it that way and she had to argue her way into wearing a hospital gown.

And, related to my prior comment above, it is very unusual for a birth scene to show a woman as though she is nude from the waist down. I provided several links to birth scenes from other movies, none of which show anywhere close to as much of the actress's lower body as the scene in IEWU. In this movie, they have multiple shotes of Lively from the side and from behind the doctor where her entire legs and her bar hips and waist are visible. That is not even close to typical in a film, even a dramatic film where the birth scene is pivotal to the plot and highly emotional. I've literally never seen a childbirth scene filmed in this way. Have you? It really seems like Baldoni was doing something highly unusual with the way he wanted this scene shot, yet he made zero effort to let Lively know they'd be filming the scene in this way, and didn't even alert her to their plans until the day they filmed the scene? And even though they intended to have her simulate full nudity and ultimately had her simulate partial nudity, they didn't have an IC on set and didn't discuss it with the IC ahead of time?

You can dismiss it all you want but this is a big deal. It's a major irregularity in the way the movie was filmed and I think it's one of Lively's strongest allegations in terms of the SH side because I think it will be easy for Lively to get expert testimony that the way Baldoni and Heath went about this scene was strange, disrespectful, and likely a violation of both SAG-AFTRA guidelines and potentially also Lively's contract.

If you don't think it's a big deal, okay. Stop replying to my posts about it. But no, I am not going to stop posting about it just because you think it's all fine and doesn't matter.

We keep telling you it doesn’t matter whether partial or even full nudity was discussed because she filmed it fully clothed. That isn’t sexual harassment no matter how many times you post it.

And I keep telling you,

(1) She was not fully clothed -- she was wearing underwear while lying on a hospital bed with her feet up in stirrups,
(2) I absolutely think this could be considered sexual harassment when combined with her other allegations,
(3) And I will post it as many times as I like.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

So you feel it would have been appropriate for Baldoni’s friend to put his hand inside Blake and do a check to see how dilated or effaced she was because that is what happens in real life? Nonsense. This was her work environment. There are rules and the actors should be able to work in a safe environment. The idea that anything is appropriate on a movie set just isn’t how they function. Just like people were arguing that since he is an abuser in the movie and the dance scene was supposed to be romantic, there is nothing Baldoni could have done that would be ai appropriate. That he could touch her anywhere and any way he wanted to fit with the scene.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole discussion of the birth scene is so stupid. They didn’t want the camera anywhere near Livelys crotch because we all knew she wasn’t pregnant, there was no crowning, there was no baby coming out. And yet people acted like they were trying to get shots of genitalia or something… I don’t get it.

Further, when you look at the scene, you can see the actor playing the doctor‘s full face. He was nowhere near and I mean nowhere near her crotch. You do realize again she was not actually giving birth and he wasn’t actually doing an exam on her and helping her birth a baby right?

The poor man was probably on set for half an hour, and he probably couldn’t get out of there fast enough given how difficult lively is.

+1 and if she was in fact wearing briefs he didn’t SEE anything either… yes she was in stirrups so he saw her thighs, but her private parts were covered.

This isn’t the first birthing scene ever in a film, why were they trying to reinvent the wheel here?

This, it's so weird that Baldoni/Heath somehow got this idea in their head that Lively would be nude (including topless) in the scene, and thought they could throw that at her the day of filming. Baldoni has done birth scenes before (where the actress was fully covered up with no implied nudity at all) and surely they've both seen movies before? Here are a bunch of birth scenes from critically-respected films, none of which required the actress to be topless or featured shots of the actress from the side with her hips and belly exposed:

Juno: https://youtu.be/-0EiP69JURo?si=bWI6Pqh2yusZ1cZ0
A Quiet Place: https://youtu.be/ahsiP2sJzGk?si=D6k13refCr7yF43P
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves: https://youtu.be/S_UiEFYUJ18?si=qlWP04qEK9aslti2

There are more, these are just the ones that came up when I googled. I also found the birth scene from Children of Men (talk about a pivotal scene) but didn't include it because it does include a shot where you very briefly see the baby emerging from her body, but it's super fast and obviously done with a prosthetic of some kind -- the actress is wearing a dress and you only see her knees in the scene even though it's dramatic and graphic.

So the idea that Lively should have just expected to be totally nude in this birth scene with no warning and that they didn't need an IC or to take some extra care with it is deranged to me. It's a much more exposed version of a birth scene even for a dramatic movie than is typical. But because their wives gave birth nude, they expected Lively to simulate that in this movie? WTF? It's so weird.

Serious question, why do you post this argument every single day, sometimes twice a day ? Do you think you will wear us down? Do you think we haven’t seen it before? What is your point?

I have never posted the above argument in this thread or anywhere at any point in the past.

If you are asking why the thread often discusses the birth scene from the movie, it's because it is central to Lively's complaint against Baldoni and because I, and others, am interested in the underlying legal arguments about whether what happened constitutes harassment. I also personally find it interesting to discuss how filmmakers address the issue of childbirth -- how it's filmed, how actresses who perform it are treated, etc.

If you don't want to discuss the childbirth scene or the issues related to it, you are more than welcome to not read this thread. But it's directly relevant to the subject of the thread in a way that, say, the exact shade of Lively's hair in the movie, is not. Or you can do what I do and simply ignore the posts in the thread that don't interest you. But you cannot simply demand I don't discuss this on-topic aspect of this case, because I and others are interested in it and are having a conversation about it.

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I think you have become fanatical about this and the astroturfing because you believe that these are the only two arguments from BL that JB has not refuted with receipts yet. So you are trying to convince us/the wind/anyone with a pulse that the birthing scene is the smoking gun that proves BL’s point.

You appear rather obsessed with mischaracterization and discomfort with the way a director wanted a scene acted. That BL is the only expert of what a birthing scene can look like since she had 4 kids (even though JB and others also had kids), and all other takes are null and void, or just ‘weird.’ I mean, did she even read the book? Didn’t she reject an IC when offered one?

Guess what—every woman I know who’s given birth naturally has given birth with no undies. Imagine that.

Now imagine a director who asks to recreate this fact for a movie and is told that the actress is made uncomfortable to act out a scene in this manner. Fine, but it wasn’t out of character based on how childbirths actually happen.

I know that we all have sides on this, but let’s be really honest here: JB did not harass her. And trying to overemphasize and overanalyze these minor details like the delivery scene, doesn’t make it harassment.

I get it, you think the delivery scene is a "minor detail." But you need to get this: I do not think it's a minor detail. I think it's really important. That's why I keep bringing it up, and it's why others on the thread keep discussing it as well. If you don't want to discuss it, don't! You can ignore these posts. Every time to reply to these posts, it drives more discussion of the scene because I fundamentally disagree with your take on it and will continue to disagree. So here:

Literally no one has contended it's normal for women to give birth with "undies" on. That's not even a part of this conversation, so you can put that straw man away.

How many women do you know who gave birth topless with no hospital gown or covering over the upper half of their body? I only know a couple and they didn't have hospital births like the one depicted in the movie. So I think it's weird Baldoni and Heath would assume that Lively would do the scene topless and that they pressured her to do it that way and she had to argue her way into wearing a hospital gown.

And, related to my prior comment above, it is very unusual for a birth scene to show a woman as though she is nude from the waist down. I provided several links to birth scenes from other movies, none of which show anywhere close to as much of the actress's lower body as the scene in IEWU. In this movie, they have multiple shotes of Lively from the side and from behind the doctor where her entire legs and her bar hips and waist are visible. That is not even close to typical in a film, even a dramatic film where the birth scene is pivotal to the plot and highly emotional. I've literally never seen a childbirth scene filmed in this way. Have you? It really seems like Baldoni was doing something highly unusual with the way he wanted this scene shot, yet he made zero effort to let Lively know they'd be filming the scene in this way, and didn't even alert her to their plans until the day they filmed the scene? And even though they intended to have her simulate full nudity and ultimately had her simulate partial nudity, they didn't have an IC on set and didn't discuss it with the IC ahead of time?

You can dismiss it all you want but this is a big deal. It's a major irregularity in the way the movie was filmed and I think it's one of Lively's strongest allegations in terms of the SH side because I think it will be easy for Lively to get expert testimony that the way Baldoni and Heath went about this scene was strange, disrespectful, and likely a violation of both SAG-AFTRA guidelines and potentially also Lively's contract.

If you don't think it's a big deal, okay. Stop replying to my posts about it. But no, I am not going to stop posting about it just because you think it's all fine and doesn't matter.

We keep telling you it doesn’t matter whether partial or even full nudity was discussed because she filmed it fully clothed. That isn’t sexual harassment no matter how many times you post it.

And I keep telling you,

(1) She was not fully clothed -- she was wearing underwear while lying on a hospital bed with her feet up in stirrups,
(2) I absolutely think this could be considered sexual harassment when combined with her other allegations,
(3) And I will post it as many times as I like.

Yea you keep saying that. But she was also wearing a hospital gown and pregnancy suit along with briefs. So fully clothed. Now’s the time you like to start talking about her legs being bare, or her belly being exposed (which is of course the prosthetic belly) so let’s just move along with that, to be consistent.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

The delivery scene was NOT scripted the way it was filmed. That's the entire point. If Baldoni wanted to film a hyperrealistic birth scene with nudity below the waist, that was his prerogative as a director. But he needed to script it that way and follow protocol for filming an intimate scene with nudity. Which means an IC on set, choreographing the scene ahead of time, and taking extra care to ensure the actors are comfortable with what they are being asked to do.

That's the difference between your birth experience and Lively's experience as an actor on a set simulating birth. You consented to everything that happened to you in the delivery room. Lively did not consent to everything that happened on the set that day. She felt coerced into simulating partial nudity even though it wasn't in the script (and felt they'd tried to coerce her into simulating full nudity and had to fight even for it to just be partial). She repeatedly asked for a cover for between takes and was ignored. She felt uncomfortable with having a close friend of Baldoni's cast in a role that put him literally inches away from her genitals while her feet were up in stirrups (even if they were covered, that is still an extremely intimate position for anyone to be in, even for an actor). She didn't have an IC on set advocating for her comfort or ensuring consent. Or at least this is what she alleges. Yet you think none of this should matter. Whatever, she's an actress, get over it.

I think you are lacking in empathy if you truly believe it is no big deal if what Lively alleges here happened. I struggle to understand how a woman would not understand why another woman want more control over a situation like that. Even if she is an actress.

Imagine a scene where an actor portrays a man getting a prostate exam. Imagine that even though the script does not specify that the actor will be naked from the waist down in the scene, and that usually when characters are shown getting prostate exams, they are filmed from the waist up with no nudity, he shows up and the director tells him he won't be wearing anything below the waist and he has to argue with the director even to get some kind of modesty sock. Then imagine the director introduced the actor who will playing the doctor giving the exam, and says, "this is my best girlfriend from college!" and then this person he's just met whose main qualification for the role was apparently being friends with the director, spends the entire film sitting inches from his junk covered only by a thin piece of material. Now imagine during the shoot, he asks several times for something to cover himself with between takes because he feels exposed or is maybe cold, and it takes multiple requests before anyone bothers.

Is that fine? If an actor in that situation told that story, would your response be "whatever, you're an actor, dudes get prostate exams all the time, who cares?" Or would you perhaps be able to see why an actor in that situation would feel uncomfortable and disrespected?

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She is getting paid to mimic childbirth. No one did anything inappropriate during the filming of said scene. Including this in her lawsuit really shows what a weak case she has.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

It is unusual to give birth in a hospital setting completely naked. Home births are different but in hospital usually gowns and sheets are used. Or some women wear a sports bra or a t shirt. I have seen quite a few hospital births and have never seen one where there were no gowns or sheets or any covering involved. Obviously a woman could want to be naked but for the doctor or health team to want her naked and not provide any gowns or sheets would be very unusual.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

DP but asking an actor to do nudity that is not in the script without an IC present on the day the scene is filmed could be considered harassment, even if the actor manages to convince the director that they should be able to wear more than what has been asked. It's coercive. If the actor refuses, the scene could be postponed and the actor will be blamed for costing the production money.

That's why nudity is always supposed to be in the script and flagged ahead of time, no surprises. Because otherwise there's a ton of pressure on actors to just do what is being asked of them so they can get the shot and keep to schedule. It is a very unprofessional for a director to spring nudity on an actor right before a scene.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

DP but asking an actor to do nudity that is not in the script without an IC present on the day the scene is filmed could be considered harassment, even if the actor manages to convince the director that they should be able to wear more than what has been asked. It's coercive. If the actor refuses, the scene could be postponed and the actor will be blamed for costing the production money.

That's why nudity is always supposed to be in the script and flagged ahead of time, no surprises. Because otherwise there's a ton of pressure on actors to just do what is being asked of them so they can get the shot and keep to schedule. It is a very unprofessional for a director to spring nudity on an actor right before a scene.

Unprofessional is not sexual harassment.