Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Unlikely. This was a PG-13 movie. Yes, I know there can be some very minor exceptions here, but generally speaking he wasn't going to be making some full frontal nudity birth.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

DP but asking an actor to do nudity that is not in the script without an IC present on the day the scene is filmed could be considered harassment, even if the actor manages to convince the director that they should be able to wear more than what has been asked. It's coercive. If the actor refuses, the scene could be postponed and the actor will be blamed for costing the production money.

That's why nudity is always supposed to be in the script and flagged ahead of time, no surprises. Because otherwise there's a ton of pressure on actors to just do what is being asked of them so they can get the shot and keep to schedule. It is a very unprofessional for a director to spring nudity on an actor right before a scene.

Unprofessional is not sexual harassment.

It can be. Sexual harassment is definitely unprofessional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

It is unusual to give birth in a hospital setting completely naked. Home births are different but in hospital usually gowns and sheets are used. Or some women wear a sports bra or a t shirt. I have seen quite a few hospital births and have never seen one where there were no gowns or sheets or any covering involved. Obviously a woman could want to be naked but for the doctor or health team to want her naked and not provide any gowns or sheets would be very unusual.

DP and I totally agree. And actually the way the scene is ultimately shot, even with the gown, was still weird to me because of the way the gown is pulled up so it's just covering her breasts -- in the scene the character is nude except for the gown over her boobs. Her full belly is exposed and her legs are completely exposed and there are even lots of close up shots of Lively's midsection/hips and it's clearly all intended to be fully exposed.

It's way more nudity than I was expecting based on how Baldoni's countersuit described the scene and I agree that even though she was wearing a fake belly and had some kind of covering over her privates, that looks like "partial nudity" by any sensible definition.

I almost feel weird posting this because it's so intimate but you can see clips from the birth scene in this video, starting around the 3:50 mark: https://youtu.be/BdEW5ddIhhg?si=gEsdFs109r0yVHs7

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Unlikely. This was a PG-13 movie. Yes, I know there can be some very minor exceptions here, but generally speaking he wasn't going to be making some full frontal nudity birth.

How weird then that Baldoni was trying to insist on shooting such absolutely unnecessary nudity, and insisting on shooting Lively climaxing on camera, if none of these things would have made it into a movie that was slotted to be PG-13 as you say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Unlikely. This was a PG-13 movie. Yes, I know there can be some very minor exceptions here, but generally speaking he wasn't going to be making some full frontal nudity birth.

Technically bare breasts will still get a PG-13 rating as long as they are not shown in a sexual way. Since this wasn't a sex scene, they might have gotten away with it, especially if they argued it was "artistic" or "showing birth in a natural way."

But the also could have edited it in a way where it would be very clear Lively was nude but you never actually see her nipples or full breasts. This is essentially what they do with her lower body -- the scene shows a lot of her body, her upper thighs, her hips, but of course you don't actually see between her legs. But she looks nude.

Presumably Lively objected to it either way, whether they actually filmed her bare breasts and showed them on screen, or filmed them in a way where they were partially obscured or out of focus. It should be up to her since none of this was in the script.

[Anonymous]

This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

DP but asking an actor to do nudity that is not in the script without an IC present on the day the scene is filmed could be considered harassment, even if the actor manages to convince the director that they should be able to wear more than what has been asked. It's coercive. If the actor refuses, the scene could be postponed and the actor will be blamed for costing the production money.

That's why nudity is always supposed to be in the script and flagged ahead of time, no surprises. Because otherwise there's a ton of pressure on actors to just do what is being asked of them so they can get the shot and keep to schedule. It is a very unprofessional for a director to spring nudity on an actor right before a scene.

Unprofessional is not sexual harassment.

Trying to coerce an actor into doing nudity they didn't sign on for is kind of textbook harassment on a film set though, isn't it? Even if the actor fights back and winds up wearing more clothes. The whole reason they started using ICs and requiring nudity riders was because directors and producers used to abuse their positions to get actresses to do things they weren't comfortable with.

It's a major red flag to me that they suggested the nudity all of a sudden not the day they filmed the scene, and that they didn't involve the IC. They had an IC on the movie, why wouldn't they flag this scene and involve her? The fact that they didn't is a sign that either (1) they are stupid or (2) they were trying to get away with something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

It is unusual to give birth in a hospital setting completely naked. Home births are different but in hospital usually gowns and sheets are used. Or some women wear a sports bra or a t shirt. I have seen quite a few hospital births and have never seen one where there were no gowns or sheets or any covering involved. Obviously a woman could want to be naked but for the doctor or health team to want her naked and not provide any gowns or sheets would be very unusual.

DP and I totally agree. And actually the way the scene is ultimately shot, even with the gown, was still weird to me because of the way the gown is pulled up so it's just covering her breasts -- in the scene the character is nude except for the gown over her boobs. Her full belly is exposed and her legs are completely exposed and there are even lots of close up shots of Lively's midsection/hips and it's clearly all intended to be fully exposed.

It's way more nudity than I was expecting based on how Baldoni's countersuit described the scene and I agree that even though she was wearing a fake belly and had some kind of covering over her privates, that looks like "partial nudity" by any sensible definition.

I almost feel weird posting this because it's so intimate but you can see clips from the birth scene in this video, starting around the 3:50 mark: https://youtu.be/BdEW5ddIhhg?si=gEsdFs109r0yVHs7

It’s not her midsection, it’s a pregnancy prosthetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

DP but asking an actor to do nudity that is not in the script without an IC present on the day the scene is filmed could be considered harassment, even if the actor manages to convince the director that they should be able to wear more than what has been asked. It's coercive. If the actor refuses, the scene could be postponed and the actor will be blamed for costing the production money.

That's why nudity is always supposed to be in the script and flagged ahead of time, no surprises. Because otherwise there's a ton of pressure on actors to just do what is being asked of them so they can get the shot and keep to schedule. It is a very unprofessional for a director to spring nudity on an actor right before a scene.

Unprofessional is not sexual harassment.

Trying to coerce an actor into doing nudity they didn't sign on for is kind of textbook harassment on a film set though, isn't it? Even if the actor fights back and winds up wearing more clothes. The whole reason they started using ICs and requiring nudity riders was because directors and producers used to abuse their positions to get actresses to do things they weren't comfortable with.

It's a major red flag to me that they suggested the nudity all of a sudden not the day they filmed the scene, and that they didn't involve the IC. They had an IC on the movie, why wouldn't they flag this scene and involve her? The fact that they didn't is a sign that either (1) they are stupid or (2) they were trying to get away with something.

What it isn’t is sexual harassment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a pretty modest birth scene. Nothing odd about it at all.

Her issues are with the requests for nudity that were made of her, the lack of following protocol, the pressure on her to do things not in the script that she wasn’t comfortable with in this specific context, the sharing of personal experiences by Baldoni and Heath to pressure her, and Baldoni’s friend being in between her legs.

She has done far less clothed scenes in her life…with her consent and within the proper protocols.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

How does the PP mix up Heath and Baldoni? Baldoni is the one who said it was "not normal" for women to remain in their hospital gowns during childbirth, according to Lively's complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:The allegations in Blake’s complaint are old news at this point. Everyone that is going to have paid attention already has made a decision. It’s wild how Justin had the foresight to keep receipts. He’s winning public opinion sentiment by mile.

+1. We can rehash this birth scene a million times over, but she'll never work again in anything she and her husband don't fully fund and produce. It's done. Even a victory in court (unlikely) is not going to change that. As a super high maintenance, mind-bogglingly entitled, combative, and difficult person with limited talent, she had a decent run, but no one will hire her. The men will be afraid of frivolous lawsuits and the older actresses/producers/directors producing their own content will blame her for weaponizing MeToo. She's putting herself in the bucket with the 2% of rapes that are found to be false accusations. This is a wildly, wildly unpopular group to join. Unless she has something mind-blowing that somehow never entered into her complaint, she's toast. This isn't a story of SH, this is a David and Goliath powerplay by her and her husband. It's ludicrous they're not settling.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Last time I will comment on this thread. It’s weird for me to see how the delivery scene is being made a big deal by the fanatical poster, and here is why.

When I had my first kid, I took all of those prenatal classes that hospitals offer. One of the main takeaways from those classes is the bond that you want to form with your baby in those first few hours after birth. They emphasize connecting with your baby because birthing can be a very traumatic experience for the baby.

I remember both me and my husband with thin tshirts on, because we were told that skin to skin was the best bonding experience with the newborn baby those first few hours. And we followed the guidance given (along with breastfeeding, swaddling, ferbering, etc). No one in the delivery room viewed our actions as abnormal or uncomfortable or sexual. Moreover, our kids (we have more than one) were delivered by both male and female doctors.

I remember clearly that when I gave birth to one of my kids that there were at least 3 male doctors/assistants in the room, along with my female doctor and husband. [The female doctor was delivering for us because my main doctor (a male) was not on duty when I went into labor].

Nothing about me being unclothed from the waist down was viewed as weird, etc. because everyone was there for a purpose—to deliver that baby. There is always more than one doctor/assistant/nurse in the delivery room. And they all see your body as is because they are there to deliver that baby safely and whisk that baby away soon thereafter for testing, etc.

This is why it’s hard for me to wrap my head around discomfort for the delivery scene by BL. Maybe for a movie, the scene didn’t have to be 100 percent authentic to be believable, and she is right to want to negotiate that. But that doesn't knock the effort by the director. That’s just how babies are born.

And my baby was born at a top hospital, from a top ob practice. Nothing seems weird or off to me so far about how this delivery scene in context was scripted.

Baldoni wanted to film Lively in the birth scene, and tried hard to coerce Lively to agree to film the scene, with Lively topless, nearly naked except for the bump and some panties. You talk about being naked from the waist down, but if Baldini had gotten his way, you would have seen her breasts. That wasn’t your experience, and it wasn’t my experience, and that amount of nudity for a delivery scene would be unusual given the other scenes PP noted. Baldoni said being mostly covered with a hospital gown, as you and I were, was “not normal.”

Lawsuits are not about what if’s. I personally was not mostly covered in a hospital gown, nor was I wearing briefs or a pregnancy suit. Moreover, you continue to mix up Heath and Baldoni. They are two separate people.

DP but asking an actor to do nudity that is not in the script without an IC present on the day the scene is filmed could be considered harassment, even if the actor manages to convince the director that they should be able to wear more than what has been asked. It's coercive. If the actor refuses, the scene could be postponed and the actor will be blamed for costing the production money.

That's why nudity is always supposed to be in the script and flagged ahead of time, no surprises. Because otherwise there's a ton of pressure on actors to just do what is being asked of them so they can get the shot and keep to schedule. It is a very unprofessional for a director to spring nudity on an actor right before a scene.

Unprofessional is not sexual harassment.

Trying to coerce an actor into doing nudity they didn't sign on for is kind of textbook harassment on a film set though, isn't it? Even if the actor fights back and winds up wearing more clothes. The whole reason they started using ICs and requiring nudity riders was because directors and producers used to abuse their positions to get actresses to do things they weren't comfortable with.

It's a major red flag to me that they suggested the nudity all of a sudden not the day they filmed the scene, and that they didn't involve the IC. They had an IC on the movie, why wouldn't they flag this scene and involve her? The fact that they didn't is a sign that either (1) they are stupid or (2) they were trying to get away with something.

What it isn’t is sexual harassment.

Asking someone to be topless at work when that isn’t required (in the script) and that isn’t done following protocol is definitely sexual harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:The actor playing the obstetrician conducted himself professionally, did he not? He was in close proximity, but he didn’t see anything (other than her briefs), he didn’t touch her inappropriately, he did not make inappropriate comments?

DP. I don’t think the friend did anything inappropriate but I think it was very poor judgment for Baldoni to put his friend in the birth scene. He could have put him in any scene. He already knew Blake didn’t feel comfortable, felt very vulnerable, and wasn’t feeling safe on set so to tell his personal friend, hey I know what you can do, you can get up between her legs, was a really inappropriate and poor choice.

Was that actor hired so late into the production, once filming had begun? Is that timeline anywhere? Or was he supposed to have that role from the outset and then various unrelated problems emerged (allegedly).

It wasn’t a role and he wasn’t really hired. It was one of Baldoni’s best friends was on set who Baldoni wanted to put in the movie. Blake’s sister also had a similar small bit as did Baldoni’s wife and kids. It isn’t unusual to give family and friends a walk on background bit. But the choice to give this scene to one of the family / friends is what upset Blake.

That doesn’t sound right. JB’s complaint said he was an experienced theater guy who did bit parts on the regular, and was not hired because he was a friend. He said he told Blake he was a friend when he introduced her to the guy but it wasn’t why he was hired. Lively’s sister was hired because she was Lively’s sister at her request.

He had done one other movie bit in 2012. That’s it. He is from Baldonis church and one of his best friends. He wasn’t hired for a role - it was a non speaking bit with his face covered with him barely making an appearance.

Lively's complaint states that such parts are generally filmed using a local actor. This implies a small time, but professional, actor. A professional actor with an MFA in acting who does regular theater roles and has one onscreen credit seems to fit that paradigm just fine. He might be Baldoni's friend too. Lots of nepotism in Hollywood. But he is not just a random friend who is not in the business of acting, as I originally assumed reading her complaint. I also understand now that she had some power on the set due to the leverage of not having signed her contract, so it is harder for me to belive that she had no ability to object to this casting.

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Anonymous wrote:The allegations in Blake’s complaint are old news at this point. Everyone that is going to have paid attention already has made a decision. It’s wild how Justin had the foresight to keep receipts. He’s winning public opinion sentiment by mile.

+1. We can rehash this birth scene a million times over, but she'll never work again in anything she and her husband don't fully fund and produce. It's done. Even a victory in court (unlikely) is not going to change that. As a super high maintenance, mind-bogglingly entitled, combative, and difficult person with limited talent, she had a decent run, but no one will hire her. The men will be afraid of frivolous lawsuits and the older actresses/producers/directors producing their own content will blame her for weaponizing MeToo. She's putting herself in the bucket with the 2% of rapes that are found to be false accusations. This is a wildly, wildly unpopular group to join. Unless she has something mind-blowing that somehow never entered into her complaint, she's toast. This isn't a story of SH, this is a David and Goliath powerplay by her and her husband. It's ludicrous they're not settling.

On this specific point, I would also like to mention that during this time, Blake's responses about Weinstein were basically, "Well, he didn't rape ME!!!" so there's not a lot of existing goodwill there.