Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan know this is only hurting them. They will wise up and quietly settle. Soon. Watch and see.

That said, I have no idea what the terms and spin will be or what could possibly salvage their careers and make Justin whole —

I would have expected it to happen already. I am shocked that they let it get to this point.

They are uneducated egomaniacs.

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Lawyers, crisis PR, et al love to milk rich clients.

If they had common sense they wouldn’t be in the trouble they are now. Did Ryan go to college?

I don't know, but I know from Baldoni's website that he started (on an athletic scholarship) but dropped out and never graduated.

Reynolds is also a college drop out. Though I actually don't think it matters that none of them graduated college. They are actors and work in Hollywood. College is great for a lot of things but I don't know how useful it is for that career. A lot of people in Hollywood who never went to college seem to be quite intelligent and thoughtful, and a lot of people in Hollywood (and elsewhere) who did go to college seem like idiots to me.

It's just not really relevant and a weird thing to get hung up on, IMO. Especially since none of the main parties are college grads!

I disagree, Ryan and Blake are both wildly out of touch with the world outside their bubble. Some time away from the set with normal people would have benefitted them enormously.

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The allegations in Blake’s complaint are old news at this point. Everyone that is going to have paid attention already has made a decision. It’s wild how Justin had the foresight to keep receipts. He’s winning public opinion sentiment by mile.

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Anonymous wrote:Neither Blake nor Ryan attended college.

Ryan attended university but dropped out. Blake attended college and the Gossip Girl team initially had said they would work with her college schedule but in the end the schedules didn’t work and she dropped out.

Both attended. Neither completed.

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Anonymous wrote:The whole discussion of the birth scene is so stupid. They didn’t want the camera anywhere near Livelys crotch because we all knew she wasn’t pregnant, there was no crowning, there was no baby coming out. And yet people acted like they were trying to get shots of genitalia or something… I don’t get it.

Further, when you look at the scene, you can see the actor playing the doctor‘s full face. He was nowhere near and I mean nowhere near her crotch. You do realize again she was not actually giving birth and he wasn’t actually doing an exam on her and helping her birth a baby right?

The poor man was probably on set for half an hour, and he probably couldn’t get out of there fast enough given how difficult lively is.

+1 and if she was in fact wearing briefs he didn’t SEE anything either… yes she was in stirrups so he saw her thighs, but her private parts were covered.

This isn’t the first birthing scene ever in a film, why were they trying to reinvent the wheel here?

This, it's so weird that Baldoni/Heath somehow got this idea in their head that Lively would be nude (including topless) in the scene, and thought they could throw that at her the day of filming. Baldoni has done birth scenes before (where the actress was fully covered up with no implied nudity at all) and surely they've both seen movies before? Here are a bunch of birth scenes from critically-respected films, none of which required the actress to be topless or featured shots of the actress from the side with her hips and belly exposed:

Juno: https://youtu.be/-0EiP69JURo?si=bWI6Pqh2yusZ1cZ0
A Quiet Place: https://youtu.be/ahsiP2sJzGk?si=D6k13refCr7yF43P
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves: https://youtu.be/S_UiEFYUJ18?si=qlWP04qEK9aslti2

There are more, these are just the ones that came up when I googled. I also found the birth scene from Children of Men (talk about a pivotal scene) but didn't include it because it does include a shot where you very briefly see the baby emerging from her body, but it's super fast and obviously done with a prosthetic of some kind -- the actress is wearing a dress and you only see her knees in the scene even though it's dramatic and graphic.

So the idea that Lively should have just expected to be totally nude in this birth scene with no warning and that they didn't need an IC or to take some extra care with it is deranged to me. It's a much more exposed version of a birth scene even for a dramatic movie than is typical. But because their wives gave birth nude, they expected Lively to simulate that in this movie? WTF? It's so weird.

Serious question, why do you post this argument every single day, sometimes twice a day ? Do you think you will wear us down? Do you think we haven’t seen it before? What is your point?

I have never posted the above argument in this thread or anywhere at any point in the past.

If you are asking why the thread often discusses the birth scene from the movie, it's because it is central to Lively's complaint against Baldoni and because I, and others, am interested in the underlying legal arguments about whether what happened constitutes harassment. I also personally find it interesting to discuss how filmmakers address the issue of childbirth -- how it's filmed, how actresses who perform it are treated, etc.

If you don't want to discuss the childbirth scene or the issues related to it, you are more than welcome to not read this thread. But it's directly relevant to the subject of the thread in a way that, say, the exact shade of Lively's hair in the movie, is not. Or you can do what I do and simply ignore the posts in the thread that don't interest you. But you cannot simply demand I don't discuss this on-topic aspect of this case, because I and others are interested in it and are having a conversation about it.

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I think you have become fanatical about this and the astroturfing because you believe that these are the only two arguments from BL that JB has not refuted with receipts yet. So you are trying to convince us/the wind/anyone with a pulse that the birthing scene is the smoking gun that proves BL’s point.

You appear rather obsessed with mischaracterization and discomfort with the way a director wanted a scene acted. That BL is the only expert of what a birthing scene can look like since she had 4 kids (even though JB and others also had kids), and all other takes are null and void, or just ‘weird.’ I mean, did she even read the book? Didn’t she reject an IC when offered one?

Guess what—every woman I know who’s given birth naturally has given birth with no undies. Imagine that.

Now imagine a director who asks to recreate this fact for a movie and is told that the actress is made uncomfortable to act out a scene in this manner. Fine, but it wasn’t out of character based on how childbirths actually happen.

I know that we all have sides on this, but let’s be really honest here: JB did not harass her. And trying to overemphasize and overanalyze these minor details like the delivery scene, doesn’t make it harassment.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake and Ryan know this is only hurting them. They will wise up and quietly settle. Soon. Watch and see.

That said, I have no idea what the terms and spin will be or what could possibly salvage their careers and make Justin whole —

I would have expected it to happen already. I am shocked that they let it get to this point.

They are uneducated egomaniacs.

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Lawyers, crisis PR, et al love to milk rich clients.

If they had common sense they wouldn’t be in the trouble they are now. Did Ryan go to college?

I don't know, but I know from Baldoni's website that he started (on an athletic scholarship) but dropped out and never graduated.

Reynolds is also a college drop out. Though I actually don't think it matters that none of them graduated college. They are actors and work in Hollywood. College is great for a lot of things but I don't know how useful it is for that career. A lot of people in Hollywood who never went to college seem to be quite intelligent and thoughtful, and a lot of people in Hollywood (and elsewhere) who did go to college seem like idiots to me.

It's just not really relevant and a weird thing to get hung up on, IMO. Especially since none of the main parties are college grads!

I disagree, Ryan and Blake are both wildly out of touch with the world outside their bubble. Some time away from the set with normal people would have benefitted them enormously.

But that real life experience could come from anywhere. How about working in retail or a blue collar job. Put RR out on a construction project or a plumber or something, that would humble him. Blake could work as an RN or preschool teacher or something. Ha! Now I would pay to see them flounder in these situations.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake saying, in her own words, that she always wants to be more than just an actor when filming. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8YfaAda/

She made that clear at the beginning by asking for a producer role. They agreed on EP but she clearly wanted to do more than acting if she wanted to also be a producer

It’s pretty common to give a star an executive produce role, it doesn’t come with any real power, just a means of getting some of the movie’s profits.

EPs don't always get backend, that's determined in the contract and is really a separate issue. Generally with an actor, backend points are determined as part of your fee negotiation. Some actors will take a reduced fee in exchange for backend points, which can be a way to help a movie get greenlit or may just reflect an actor's belief in the financial viability of the project (they may feel they will make more money with a percent of backend than from their fee).

Not all producers profit off a movie and no one gets film proceeds until a film's financiers have been repaid with interest. So even if an actor has backend points, they won't see any money unless the movie recoups its costs plus interest.

The executive producer credit is genuinely sometimes a total nothing credit that carries absolutely no additional responsibilities or benefits over just being an actor in the movie. It's called a vanity credit.

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Anonymous wrote:Neither Blake nor Ryan attended college.

Ryan attended university but dropped out. Blake attended college and the Gossip Girl team initially had said they would work with her college schedule but in the end the schedules didn’t work and she dropped out.

Both attended. Neither completed.

No, this was one of her early lies. She said in an interview she spoke with the Gossip Girl producers about attending college while filming and the main producer, I believe Josh Schwartz, when later asked laughed and said something along the lines of, "That's hilarious. No such thing, the only thing she wanted to negotiate was keeping the clothes."

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Anonymous wrote:The whole discussion of the birth scene is so stupid. They didn’t want the camera anywhere near Livelys crotch because we all knew she wasn’t pregnant, there was no crowning, there was no baby coming out. And yet people acted like they were trying to get shots of genitalia or something… I don’t get it.

Further, when you look at the scene, you can see the actor playing the doctor‘s full face. He was nowhere near and I mean nowhere near her crotch. You do realize again she was not actually giving birth and he wasn’t actually doing an exam on her and helping her birth a baby right?

The poor man was probably on set for half an hour, and he probably couldn’t get out of there fast enough given how difficult lively is.

+1 and if she was in fact wearing briefs he didn’t SEE anything either… yes she was in stirrups so he saw her thighs, but her private parts were covered.

This isn’t the first birthing scene ever in a film, why were they trying to reinvent the wheel here?

This, it's so weird that Baldoni/Heath somehow got this idea in their head that Lively would be nude (including topless) in the scene, and thought they could throw that at her the day of filming. Baldoni has done birth scenes before (where the actress was fully covered up with no implied nudity at all) and surely they've both seen movies before? Here are a bunch of birth scenes from critically-respected films, none of which required the actress to be topless or featured shots of the actress from the side with her hips and belly exposed:

Juno: https://youtu.be/-0EiP69JURo?si=bWI6Pqh2yusZ1cZ0
A Quiet Place: https://youtu.be/ahsiP2sJzGk?si=D6k13refCr7yF43P
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves: https://youtu.be/S_UiEFYUJ18?si=qlWP04qEK9aslti2

There are more, these are just the ones that came up when I googled. I also found the birth scene from Children of Men (talk about a pivotal scene) but didn't include it because it does include a shot where you very briefly see the baby emerging from her body, but it's super fast and obviously done with a prosthetic of some kind -- the actress is wearing a dress and you only see her knees in the scene even though it's dramatic and graphic.

So the idea that Lively should have just expected to be totally nude in this birth scene with no warning and that they didn't need an IC or to take some extra care with it is deranged to me. It's a much more exposed version of a birth scene even for a dramatic movie than is typical. But because their wives gave birth nude, they expected Lively to simulate that in this movie? WTF? It's so weird.

Serious question, why do you post this argument every single day, sometimes twice a day ? Do you think you will wear us down? Do you think we haven’t seen it before? What is your point?

I have never posted the above argument in this thread or anywhere at any point in the past.

If you are asking why the thread often discusses the birth scene from the movie, it's because it is central to Lively's complaint against Baldoni and because I, and others, am interested in the underlying legal arguments about whether what happened constitutes harassment. I also personally find it interesting to discuss how filmmakers address the issue of childbirth -- how it's filmed, how actresses who perform it are treated, etc.

If you don't want to discuss the childbirth scene or the issues related to it, you are more than welcome to not read this thread. But it's directly relevant to the subject of the thread in a way that, say, the exact shade of Lively's hair in the movie, is not. Or you can do what I do and simply ignore the posts in the thread that don't interest you. But you cannot simply demand I don't discuss this on-topic aspect of this case, because I and others are interested in it and are having a conversation about it.

DP here.
I think you have become fanatical about this and the astroturfing because you believe that these are the only two arguments from BL that JB has not refuted with receipts yet. So you are trying to convince us/the wind/anyone with a pulse that the birthing scene is the smoking gun that proves BL’s point.

You appear rather obsessed with mischaracterization and discomfort with the way a director wanted a scene acted. That BL is the only expert of what a birthing scene can look like since she had 4 kids (even though JB and others also had kids), and all other takes are null and void, or just ‘weird.’ I mean, did she even read the book? Didn’t she reject an IC when offered one?

Guess what—every woman I know who’s given birth naturally has given birth with no undies. Imagine that.

Now imagine a director who asks to recreate this fact for a movie and is told that the actress is made uncomfortable to act out a scene in this manner. Fine, but it wasn’t out of character based on how childbirths actually happen.

I know that we all have sides on this, but let’s be really honest here: JB did not harass her. And trying to overemphasize and overanalyze these minor details like the delivery scene, doesn’t make it harassment.

I'm not PP you're talking to, but Baldoni was the only one here saying that anyone's take on how a birthing scene should happen is "not normal." Lively just didn't want to be coerced into nudity that wasn't really necessary for the scene.

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Anonymous wrote:The actor playing the obstetrician conducted himself professionally, did he not? He was in close proximity, but he didn’t see anything (other than her briefs), he didn’t touch her inappropriately, he did not make inappropriate comments?

DP. I don’t think the friend did anything inappropriate but I think it was very poor judgment for Baldoni to put his friend in the birth scene. He could have put him in any scene. He already knew Blake didn’t feel comfortable, felt very vulnerable, and wasn’t feeling safe on set so to tell his personal friend, hey I know what you can do, you can get up between her legs, was a really inappropriate and poor choice.

Was that actor hired so late into the production, once filming had begun? Is that timeline anywhere? Or was he supposed to have that role from the outset and then various unrelated problems emerged (allegedly).

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Anonymous wrote:The actor playing the obstetrician conducted himself professionally, did he not? He was in close proximity, but he didn’t see anything (other than her briefs), he didn’t touch her inappropriately, he did not make inappropriate comments?

DP. I don’t think the friend did anything inappropriate but I think it was very poor judgment for Baldoni to put his friend in the birth scene. He could have put him in any scene. He already knew Blake didn’t feel comfortable, felt very vulnerable, and wasn’t feeling safe on set so to tell his personal friend, hey I know what you can do, you can get up between her legs, was a really inappropriate and poor choice.

Was that actor hired so late into the production, once filming had begun? Is that timeline anywhere? Or was he supposed to have that role from the outset and then various unrelated problems emerged (allegedly).

There is no allegation that he was hired at a different time than the rest of the cast in either complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:The actor playing the obstetrician conducted himself professionally, did he not? He was in close proximity, but he didn’t see anything (other than her briefs), he didn’t touch her inappropriately, he did not make inappropriate comments?

DP. I don’t think the friend did anything inappropriate but I think it was very poor judgment for Baldoni to put his friend in the birth scene. He could have put him in any scene. He already knew Blake didn’t feel comfortable, felt very vulnerable, and wasn’t feeling safe on set so to tell his personal friend, hey I know what you can do, you can get up between her legs, was a really inappropriate and poor choice.

Was that actor hired so late into the production, once filming had begun? Is that timeline anywhere? Or was he supposed to have that role from the outset and then various unrelated problems emerged (allegedly).

It wasn’t a role and he wasn’t really hired. It was one of Baldoni’s best friends was on set who Baldoni wanted to put in the movie. Blake’s sister also had a similar small bit as did Baldoni’s wife and kids. It isn’t unusual to give family and friends a walk on background bit. But the choice to give this scene to one of the family / friends is what upset Blake.

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Anonymous wrote:The actor playing the obstetrician conducted himself professionally, did he not? He was in close proximity, but he didn’t see anything (other than her briefs), he didn’t touch her inappropriately, he did not make inappropriate comments?

DP. I don’t think the friend did anything inappropriate but I think it was very poor judgment for Baldoni to put his friend in the birth scene. He could have put him in any scene. He already knew Blake didn’t feel comfortable, felt very vulnerable, and wasn’t feeling safe on set so to tell his personal friend, hey I know what you can do, you can get up between her legs, was a really inappropriate and poor choice.

Was that actor hired so late into the production, once filming had begun? Is that timeline anywhere? Or was he supposed to have that role from the outset and then various unrelated problems emerged (allegedly).

It wasn’t a role and he wasn’t really hired. It was one of Baldoni’s best friends was on set who Baldoni wanted to put in the movie. Blake’s sister also had a similar small bit as did Baldoni’s wife and kids. It isn’t unusual to give family and friends a walk on background bit. But the choice to give this scene to one of the family / friends is what upset Blake.

You say this like it's a fact, and this guy was just wandering around randomly. Is that based on anything, that he wasn't hired in advance with a contract etc?

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Anonymous wrote:The actor playing the obstetrician conducted himself professionally, did he not? He was in close proximity, but he didn’t see anything (other than her briefs), he didn’t touch her inappropriately, he did not make inappropriate comments?

DP. I don’t think the friend did anything inappropriate but I think it was very poor judgment for Baldoni to put his friend in the birth scene. He could have put him in any scene. He already knew Blake didn’t feel comfortable, felt very vulnerable, and wasn’t feeling safe on set so to tell his personal friend, hey I know what you can do, you can get up between her legs, was a really inappropriate and poor choice.

Was that actor hired so late into the production, once filming had begun? Is that timeline anywhere? Or was he supposed to have that role from the outset and then various unrelated problems emerged (allegedly).

It wasn’t a role and he wasn’t really hired. It was one of Baldoni’s best friends was on set who Baldoni wanted to put in the movie. Blake’s sister also had a similar small bit as did Baldoni’s wife and kids. It isn’t unusual to give family and friends a walk on background bit. But the choice to give this scene to one of the family / friends is what upset Blake.

You say this like it's a fact, and this guy was just wandering around randomly. Is that based on anything, that he wasn't hired in advance with a contract etc?

He wasn’t walking around randomly. He was Baldoni’s guest on set, one of his best friends from his church. Baldoni’s response was to say well Balkes sister was in it too and that it is normal practice to give family and friends bit parts. This was a non speaking few seconds with a mask on…it isn’t a role they would audition and hire for the pet. Baldoni wanted to give his friend an acting credit in his movie and picked this role. He could have had him do any but pet but chose the birth scene and that is the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:The actor playing the obstetrician conducted himself professionally, did he not? He was in close proximity, but he didn’t see anything (other than her briefs), he didn’t touch her inappropriately, he did not make inappropriate comments?

DP. I don’t think the friend did anything inappropriate but I think it was very poor judgment for Baldoni to put his friend in the birth scene. He could have put him in any scene. He already knew Blake didn’t feel comfortable, felt very vulnerable, and wasn’t feeling safe on set so to tell his personal friend, hey I know what you can do, you can get up between her legs, was a really inappropriate and poor choice.

Was that actor hired so late into the production, once filming had begun? Is that timeline anywhere? Or was he supposed to have that role from the outset and then various unrelated problems emerged (allegedly).

It wasn’t a role and he wasn’t really hired. It was one of Baldoni’s best friends was on set who Baldoni wanted to put in the movie. Blake’s sister also had a similar small bit as did Baldoni’s wife and kids. It isn’t unusual to give family and friends a walk on background bit. But the choice to give this scene to one of the family / friends is what upset Blake.

That doesn’t sound right. JB’s complaint said he was an experienced theater guy who did bit parts on the regular, and was not hired because he was a friend. He said he told Blake he was a friend when he introduced her to the guy but it wasn’t why he was hired. Lively’s sister was hired because she was Lively’s sister at her request.

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Anonymous wrote:The actor playing the obstetrician conducted himself professionally, did he not? He was in close proximity, but he didn’t see anything (other than her briefs), he didn’t touch her inappropriately, he did not make inappropriate comments?

DP. I don’t think the friend did anything inappropriate but I think it was very poor judgment for Baldoni to put his friend in the birth scene. He could have put him in any scene. He already knew Blake didn’t feel comfortable, felt very vulnerable, and wasn’t feeling safe on set so to tell his personal friend, hey I know what you can do, you can get up between her legs, was a really inappropriate and poor choice.

Was that actor hired so late into the production, once filming had begun? Is that timeline anywhere? Or was he supposed to have that role from the outset and then various unrelated problems emerged (allegedly).

It wasn’t a role and he wasn’t really hired. It was one of Baldoni’s best friends was on set who Baldoni wanted to put in the movie. Blake’s sister also had a similar small bit as did Baldoni’s wife and kids. It isn’t unusual to give family and friends a walk on background bit. But the choice to give this scene to one of the family / friends is what upset Blake.

That doesn’t sound right. JB’s complaint said he was an experienced theater guy who did bit parts on the regular, and was not hired because he was a friend. He said he told Blake he was a friend when he introduced her to the guy but it wasn’t why he was hired. Lively’s sister was hired because she was Lively’s sister at her request.

He had done one other movie bit in 2012. That’s it. He is from Baldonis church and one of his best friends. He wasn’t hired for a role - it was a non speaking bit with his face covered with him barely making an appearance.