Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here we go again with the accusations of antisemitism and support for Hamas. How about addressing the fact that Israel is just indiscriminately killing innocent people?

New poster here:

I’ll say it. I don’t consider Palestinians innocent.
In fact this entire conflict has made me rethink if Muslim’s should be allowed in the US. I am beginning to think they aren’t capable of integrating into a western, secular democracy. I’m a democrat, and I’m really thinking that not every culture can melt into the US. As evidenced by progressive Muslims saying they won’t support Biden. They will sacrifice women’s rights for their religious dogma. They will sacrifice American democracy for their religious dogma. I’m very anti maga but this has exposed the problems with the far left and the democrats need to continue to reign that faction in. Mostly i think they do, but vigilance is required.

I almost agree with you, but I wonder if this is a "Palestinian" thing, not a Muslims as a whole thing. Palestinians never really talk about Islam, religion, a god, moral behavior, any sort of golden rule, really. Everything is about I want this I want that everyone one else in the world has treated me unfairly Jews are disgusting stupid and bad and they are on my land. Palestinianism seems to be its own type of cult I think. No one needs to call themselves "Palestinian" when you think about it, they are Arabs (or Levantines), there has never been a country called Palestine. The identify of Palestinian is just a state of mind, and a harmful one.

I won’t pretend to know enough about Palestine and their people to weigh in on the specifics. But when you see the history and behavior of the Middle East. When you see the governance they choose time and time again. When you learn that once they become a plurality here in the US they make similar choices… why should we side with that? Ever?
And I don’t agree with the settlements on the West Bank, and think Israel exacerbates their own problems. But it is a democracy. And it’s the lone island in the region.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The level of antisemitism is astounding here.
I am sure someone will soon post how Jews wrote how they would overtake the world in a Jewish Prague cemetery. They did not; haters wrote them, and people still believed them.
Is Israel overly aggressive now? Maybe. Are Palestinians Hamas fanatics? Maybe.
Yet, many of you sound like total racist trash, regardless of whom you are supporting, Israel or Hamas.

No one supports Hamas!!!!

You can’t even admit Israel has gone WAY PAST any norms and is just bombing it all and killing everyone.

A Now we’re at organ theft. Mutilated corpses. Decayed infants. They are never coming back from this on the world stage

This is an outright lie. It is a disgusting and disgraceful lie. Enough. You can be anti-Israel. Fine, get it. But to pass on these barbaric lies about organ theft. Good Lord - you’re taking a page right out of Blood Libel, FFS.

Since you have some insider knowledge that organ theft did not take place (despite the IDF admission that organ theft took place through the 90s, which is in the Newsweek article linked elsewhere) could you please account for the death of the 80 individuals in Israeli custody?

Both sides of this conflict have been WAY too fast to make or believe outrageous claims and never admit they were incorrect. But saying it’s “Blood Libel” to repeat an accusation which has been previously verified is why people say there’s an attempt to paint all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.

you just don't think anti-Semitism exists in reality, because to you, every stereotype and lie about Jews is "truth". No one is concerned that a anti Semite things anti Semitism is impossible. Your arguement is pointless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The number of people here who have ignored atrocities in Africa, Central America, Ukraine, etc. but are breathlessly horrified that some bodies in a war zone in Israel decayed is not zero.

I'm glad you finally learned war is a horrible, horrible thing, Virginia. I wonder when you will learn that it is also a horrible, horrible thing to not know if there are bombs in a parked car near your elementary school or temple, or if that neighbor of yours for thirty years secretly wants you dead. Terrorist acts have consequences. And you, sitting in a Bethesda parking lot in your Saudi-powered SUV while the kids are at Mathnesium, have the luxury of no consequences.

So we shouldn't care when our closest "ally" is murdering women and children with our tax dollars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The number of people here who have ignored atrocities in Africa, Central America, Ukraine, etc. but are breathlessly horrified that some bodies in a war zone in Israel decayed is not zero.

I'm glad you finally learned war is a horrible, horrible thing, Virginia. I wonder when you will learn that it is also a horrible, horrible thing to not know if there are bombs in a parked car near your elementary school or temple, or if that neighbor of yours for thirty years secretly wants you dead. Terrorist acts have consequences. And you, sitting in a Bethesda parking lot in your Saudi-powered SUV while the kids are at Mathnesium, have the luxury of no consequences.

You mean like the neighbor who murdered the six year old for the crime of being Palestinian, in the United States? Stabbed a child to death?

Many communities know fear in the United States right now. Three
Palestinian college students were shot— at least one will never walk again. There is no monopoly.

And that fear will never justify additional killing of innocent children. In fact, Israel’s conduct of this war makes
It more likely for atrocities like Bucha in Ukraine to be repeated (yes, hate to tell you, many of us do not “ignore” atrocities) because Putin will remind the world that the U.S. is just fine with the killing of civilians as long as they’re Palestinians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here we go again with the accusations of antisemitism and support for Hamas. How about addressing the fact that Israel is just indiscriminately killing innocent people?

New poster here:

I’ll say it. I don’t consider Palestinians innocent.
In fact this entire conflict has made me rethink if Muslim’s should be allowed in the US. I am beginning to think they aren’t capable of integrating into a western, secular democracy. I’m a democrat, and I’m really thinking that not every culture can melt into the US. As evidenced by progressive Muslims saying they won’t support Biden. They will sacrifice women’s rights for their religious dogma. They will sacrifice American democracy for their religious dogma. I’m very anti maga but this has exposed the problems with the far left and the democrats need to continue to reign that faction in. Mostly i think they do, but vigilance is required.

You are ridiculous. I won't support Biden because I disagree with his policies. That is my right as an American. Sacrifice American democracy? That's what Republicans are doing. Sacrifice women's rights for their religious dogma? Again, sounds like Republicans.

Should we bar evangelical Christians from coming to the US? They seem like the greater threat to American democracy and women's rights that the tiny percentage of Muslims.

You are an Islamophobe. Sorry that my existence in the country bothers you. Actually not sorry. Be sure you tell that to all the Muslim doctors, engineers, and the many, many upstanding Muslim citizens of this country.

You suck.

The proof in in the pudding and actions speak louder than words. We see who only advocates for matter that relate to issues "back home". No concern about issues that affect the people that have had ancestors in this country for centuries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The level of antisemitism is astounding here.
I am sure someone will soon post how Jews wrote how they would overtake the world in a Jewish Prague cemetery. They did not; haters wrote them, and people still believed them.
Is Israel overly aggressive now? Maybe. Are Palestinians Hamas fanatics? Maybe.
Yet, many of you sound like total racist trash, regardless of whom you are supporting, Israel or Hamas.

No one supports Hamas!!!!

You can’t even admit Israel has gone WAY PAST any norms and is just bombing it all and killing everyone.

A Now we’re at organ theft. Mutilated corpses. Decayed infants. They are never coming back from this on the world stage

This is an outright lie. It is a disgusting and disgraceful lie. Enough. You can be anti-Israel. Fine, get it. But to pass on these barbaric lies about organ theft. Good Lord - you’re taking a page right out of Blood Libel, FFS.

Since you have some insider knowledge that organ theft did not take place (despite the IDF admission that organ theft took place through the 90s, which is in the Newsweek article linked elsewhere) could you please account for the death of the 80 individuals in Israeli custody?

Both sides of this conflict have been WAY too fast to make or believe outrageous claims and never admit they were incorrect. But saying it’s “Blood Libel” to repeat an accusation which has been previously verified is why people say there’s an attempt to paint all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.

you just don't think anti-Semitism exists in reality, because to you, every stereotype and lie about Jews is "truth". No one is concerned that an anti Semite things anti Semitism is impossible. Your arguement is pointless.

I absolutely think anti-Semitism exists. My Jewish family members have had threats made against them for being Jewish.

But I don’t think criticism of Israel for actions the IDF confirms took place can be dismissed as anti-Semitism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The level of antisemitism is astounding here.
I am sure someone will soon post how Jews wrote how they would overtake the world in a Jewish Prague cemetery. They did not; haters wrote them, and people still believed them.
Is Israel overly aggressive now? Maybe. Are Palestinians Hamas fanatics? Maybe.
Yet, many of you sound like total racist trash, regardless of whom you are supporting, Israel or Hamas.

No one supports Hamas!!!!

You can’t even admit Israel has gone WAY PAST any norms and is just bombing it all and killing everyone.

A Now we’re at organ theft. Mutilated corpses. Decayed infants. They are never coming back from this on the world stage

This is an outright lie. It is a disgusting and disgraceful lie. Enough. You can be anti-Israel. Fine, get it. But to pass on these barbaric lies about organ theft. Good Lord - you’re taking a page right out of Blood Libel, FFS.

Since you have some insider knowledge that organ theft did not take place (despite the IDF admission that organ theft took place through the 90s, which is in the Newsweek article linked elsewhere) could you please account for the death of the 80 individuals in Israeli custody?

Both sides of this conflict have been WAY too fast to make or believe outrageous claims and never admit they were incorrect. But saying it’s “Blood Libel” to repeat an accusation which has been previously verified is why people say there’s an attempt to paint all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.

you just don't think anti-Semitism exists in reality, because to you, every stereotype and lie about Jews is "truth". No one is concerned that a anti Semite things anti Semitism is impossible. Your arguement is pointless.

Every single time, without fail, you and others deflect from Israel's documented atrocities by accusing others of antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of people here who have ignored atrocities in Africa, Central America, Ukraine, etc. but are breathlessly horrified that some bodies in a war zone in Israel decayed is not zero.

I'm glad you finally learned war is a horrible, horrible thing, Virginia. I wonder when you will learn that it is also a horrible, horrible thing to not know if there are bombs in a parked car near your elementary school or temple, or if that neighbor of yours for thirty years secretly wants you dead. Terrorist acts have consequences. And you, sitting in a Bethesda parking lot in your Saudi-powered SUV while the kids are at Mathnesium, have the luxury of no consequences.

You mean like the neighbor who murdered the six year old for the crime of being Palestinian, in the United States? Stabbed a child to death?

Many communities know fear in the United States right now. Three
Palestinian college students were shot— at least one will never walk again. There is no monopoly.

And that fear will never justify additional killing of innocent children. In fact, Israel’s conduct of this war makes
It more likely for atrocities like Bucha in Ukraine to be repeated (yes, hate to tell you, many of us do not “ignore” atrocities) because Putin will remind the world that the U.S. is just fine with the killing of civilians as long as they’re Palestinians.

Again,the PP brought up terrible things that affect non-Palestinians, and you then go speak to why Palestinians have it so bad. That is her point. Can you care about any other people group but Palestinians? Its like a song, does every refrain hav to be about Palestinians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The level of antisemitism is astounding here.
I am sure someone will soon post how Jews wrote how they would overtake the world in a Jewish Prague cemetery. They did not; haters wrote them, and people still believed them.
Is Israel overly aggressive now? Maybe. Are Palestinians Hamas fanatics? Maybe.
Yet, many of you sound like total racist trash, regardless of whom you are supporting, Israel or Hamas.

No one supports Hamas!!!!

You can’t even admit Israel has gone WAY PAST any norms and is just bombing it all and killing everyone.

A Now we’re at organ theft. Mutilated corpses. Decayed infants. They are never coming back from this on the world stage

This is an outright lie. It is a disgusting and disgraceful lie. Enough. You can be anti-Israel. Fine, get it. But to pass on these barbaric lies about organ theft. Good Lord - you’re taking a page right out of Blood Libel, FFS.

Since you have some insider knowledge that organ theft did not take place (despite the IDF admission that organ theft took place through the 90s, which is in the Newsweek article linked elsewhere) could you please account for the death of the 80 individuals in Israeli custody?

Both sides of this conflict have been WAY too fast to make or believe outrageous claims and never admit they were incorrect. But saying it’s “Blood Libel” to repeat an accusation which has been previously verified is why people say there’s an attempt to paint all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.

you just don't think anti-Semitism exists in reality, because to you, every stereotype and lie about Jews is "truth". No one is concerned that a anti Semite things anti Semitism is impossible. Your arguement is pointless.

Every single time, without fail, you and others deflect from Israel's documented atrocities by accusing others of antisemitism.

We don't have to talk about or think about Palestinians or their problems every minute of every day. Sometimes, gasp, they will not be the topic of conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of people here who have ignored atrocities in Africa, Central America, Ukraine, etc. but are breathlessly horrified that some bodies in a war zone in Israel decayed is not zero.

I'm glad you finally learned war is a horrible, horrible thing, Virginia. I wonder when you will learn that it is also a horrible, horrible thing to not know if there are bombs in a parked car near your elementary school or temple, or if that neighbor of yours for thirty years secretly wants you dead. Terrorist acts have consequences. And you, sitting in a Bethesda parking lot in your Saudi-powered SUV while the kids are at Mathnesium, have the luxury of no consequences.

So we shouldn't care when our closest "ally" is murdering women and children with our tax dollars?

You don't need to pay taxes, you can choose not to work. Or you can go back to the country that you care about so much. The U.S. doesn't need to change what it is doing at your command.

By the way, Israel is not our closest ally. They actually are not officially an ally. Ally has a defined meaning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread has devolved into complete lefty lunatics (at best) and actual fundamentalist jihadism based on false and incendiary propaganda (at worst).

It's been like that all along. It's an interesting window though to observe progressive thought. The one thing you will never see here or anywhere else is a viable progressive solution to anything. It's all sloganeering and hate and cliches and a profound ignorance of the history and complexities of that region.

In their worldview, Jews are oppressive white colonists from Europe. Palestinians are wholesome indigenous People of Color who have had their land, which they've ceaselessly occupied for 5000 years, stolen from them. It's really no different than the Belgians in the Congo. And if anyone that says, uh, guys, I think it might be a little more complicated than that, it's always followed by pages and pages of anti-Israel vitriol.

I don't know why I bother. It's boring.

It’s hard to know how many people are left posting here (Jeff, if you know, can you comment?) but I am one who believes Israel’s action actions are immoral and reprehensible. However, I am not anti-Semitic and I am NOT pro Hamas. I do believe that escalating horrors have been traded back and forth between both sides since the early roots of Zionism in the late 1800s and I simply cannot see how Israel’s current response is breeding anything but future terror. I also think that the pro Israel camp’s worldview is one sided. For example, Zionism recruited European Jews to come to Israel after WWII with the slogan “land without people for people without land”. That was the first lie. And it’s just been piled on. Growing up in a wealthy suburb with a significant Jewish population (I am also Jewish) I was also taught this in school and, moreover, told how wonderful and innovative Israelis were for cultivating land that Palestinians had left to waste, when, in fact, Palestinians had cultivated fruit and olives trees on that same land for generations. I know have no impact on any solution in the region but I think Israel can never be a safe haven for Jews until they have either killed all Palestinians (morally reprehensible IMO) OR choose a different path that begins with acknowledgment of the harm they have caused the Palestinian people and reparations from Israel (not surrounding Arab countries) and Germany (whose Holocaust was what solidified Israel’s existence).

My 2 antisemitic sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And here we go again with the accusations of antisemitism and support for Hamas. How about addressing the fact that Israel is just indiscriminately killing innocent people?

New poster here:

I’ll say it. I don’t consider Palestinians innocent.
In fact this entire conflict has made me rethink if Muslim’s should be allowed in the US. I am beginning to think they aren’t capable of integrating into a western, secular democracy. I’m a democrat, and I’m really thinking that not every culture can melt into the US. As evidenced by progressive Muslims saying they won’t support Biden. They will sacrifice women’s rights for their religious dogma. They will sacrifice American democracy for their religious dogma. I’m very anti maga but this has exposed the problems with the far left and the democrats need to continue to reign that faction in. Mostly i think they do, but vigilance is required.

You are ridiculous. I won't support Biden because I disagree with his policies. That is my right as an American. Sacrifice American democracy? That's what Republicans are doing. Sacrifice women's rights for their religious dogma? Again, sounds like Republicans.

Should we bar evangelical Christians from coming to the US? They seem like the greater threat to American democracy and women's rights that the tiny percentage of Muslims.

You are an Islamophobe. Sorry that my existence in the country bothers you. Actually not sorry. Be sure you tell that to all the Muslim doctors, engineers, and the many, many upstanding Muslim citizens of this country.

You suck.

Maybe I am, but sadly it’s been earned over decades of lived experience. There are people that can come here and integrate. But not all can or should. It’s a privilege to be an American. I’m not convinced some cultures are worthy of it. Your existence is probably fine. But a culture rooted in violence and misogyny shouldn’t be tolerated or welcomed. Sorry not sorry.
… and yes not voting for Biden or actively campaigning against is basically the same as supporting republicans. That’s how this democracy works.
We are stuck with the evangelicals. Why bring in more problematic fundamentalists?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The level of antisemitism is astounding here.
I am sure someone will soon post how Jews wrote how they would overtake the world in a Jewish Prague cemetery. They did not; haters wrote them, and people still believed them.
Is Israel overly aggressive now? Maybe. Are Palestinians Hamas fanatics? Maybe.
Yet, many of you sound like total racist trash, regardless of whom you are supporting, Israel or Hamas.

No one supports Hamas!!!!

You can’t even admit Israel has gone WAY PAST any norms and is just bombing it all and killing everyone.

A Now we’re at organ theft. Mutilated corpses. Decayed infants. They are never coming back from this on the world stage

This is an outright lie. It is a disgusting and disgraceful lie. Enough. You can be anti-Israel. Fine, get it. But to pass on these barbaric lies about organ theft. Good Lord - you’re taking a page right out of Blood Libel, FFS.

Since you have some insider knowledge that organ theft did not take place (despite the IDF admission that organ theft took place through the 90s, which is in the Newsweek article linked elsewhere) could you please account for the death of the 80 individuals in Israeli custody?

Both sides of this conflict have been WAY too fast to make or believe outrageous claims and never admit they were incorrect. But saying it’s “Blood Libel” to repeat an accusation which has been previously verified is why people say there’s an attempt to paint all criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.

you just don't think anti-Semitism exists in reality, because to you, every stereotype and lie about Jews is "truth". No one is concerned that a anti Semite things anti Semitism is impossible. Your arguement is pointless.

Every single time, without fail, you and others deflect from Israel's documented atrocities by accusing others of antisemitism.

We don't have to talk about or think about Palestinians or their problems every minute of every day. Sometimes, gasp, they will not be the topic of conversation.

And yet here you are in the Gaza thread. Who do you think lives in Gaza?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The number of people here who have ignored atrocities in Africa, Central America, Ukraine, etc. but are breathlessly horrified that some bodies in a war zone in Israel decayed is not zero.

I'm glad you finally learned war is a horrible, horrible thing, Virginia. I wonder when you will learn that it is also a horrible, horrible thing to not know if there are bombs in a parked car near your elementary school or temple, or if that neighbor of yours for thirty years secretly wants you dead. Terrorist acts have consequences. And you, sitting in a Bethesda parking lot in your Saudi-powered SUV while the kids are at Mathnesium, have the luxury of no consequences.

So we shouldn't care when our closest "ally" is murdering women and children with our tax dollars?

You don't need to pay taxes, you can choose not to work. Or you can go back to the country that you care about so much. The U.S. doesn't need to change what it is doing at your command.

By the way, Israel is not our closest ally. They actually are not officially an ally. Ally has a defined meaning.

Oh gosh I hate to tell you that’s actually the whole point of elections.

If it takes Joe Biden losing an election to make him understand that young Americans do not want children killed in our name, so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread has devolved into complete lefty lunatics (at best) and actual fundamentalist jihadism based on false and incendiary propaganda (at worst).

It's been like that all along. It's an interesting window though to observe progressive thought. The one thing you will never see here or anywhere else is a viable progressive solution to anything. It's all sloganeering and hate and cliches and a profound ignorance of the history and complexities of that region.

In their worldview, Jews are oppressive white colonists from Europe. Palestinians are wholesome indigenous People of Color who have had their land, which they've ceaselessly occupied for 5000 years, stolen from them. It's really no different than the Belgians in the Congo. And if anyone that says, uh, guys, I think it might be a little more complicated than that, it's always followed by pages and pages of anti-Israel vitriol.

I don't know why I bother. It's boring.

It’s hard to know how many people are left posting here (Jeff, if you know, can you comment?) but I am one who believes Israel’s action actions are immoral and reprehensible. However, I am not anti-Semitic and I am NOT pro Hamas. I do believe that escalating horrors have been traded back and forth between both sides since the early roots of Zionism in the late 1800s and I simply cannot see how Israel’s current response is breeding anything but future terror. I also think that the pro Israel camp’s worldview is one sided. For example, Zionism recruited European Jews to come to Israel after WWII with the slogan “land without people for people without land”. That was the first lie. And it’s just been piled on. Growing up in a wealthy suburb with a significant Jewish population (I am also Jewish) I was also taught this in school and, moreover, told how wonderful and innovative Israelis were for cultivating land that Palestinians had left to waste, when, in fact, Palestinians had cultivated fruit and olives trees on that same land for generations. I know have no impact on any solution in the region but I think Israel can never be a safe haven for Jews until they have either killed all Palestinians (morally reprehensible IMO) OR choose a different path that begins with acknowledgment of the harm they have caused the Palestinian people and reparations from Israel (not surrounding Arab countries) and Germany (whose Holocaust was what solidified Israel’s existence).

My 2 antisemitic sense.

yeah, you are anti Semitic

The fact that Jews exists make a group violent--you basically are calling Jews the devils who encourage otherwise good people to do evil.