Deal is tremendously overcrowded - something is to give

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you been to Hoawrd Law lately? But more importantly do you know where the Banneker site sits in relation to Howard University?

There's nothing racist in wondering whether Howard U might covet land directly across the street from it more than land in the backwaters of Van Ness. Did you even think your rant through before you jumped to your conclusions?


But yes, UDC can't be moved for a whole host of political and perception reasons - but there's nicer ways to tell people that, because if you haven't noticed, a lot of people here are relatively new to the city and don't know the local history.

Black schools are not chess pieces for white DC to move around to satisfy our every whim. If Howard or UDC think moves are in their best interests, presumably they’ll pursue them. Don’t insult us by suggesting that you have their best interests at heart.

Why aren’t we speculating on whether, say, Burke might want to relocate? They have a beautiful building that would be great for a DCPS! And what about Maret, so close to the metro, on all of that beautiful land. Perfect for a charter school! Maybe Georgetown Law would want to move out of their space near Union Station to be closer to the main campus....

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I think you missed some key assumptions underlying the post...clearly, whoever wrote it knows a lot about D.C. Do YOU know where Howard Law is located? Its School of Divinity? If you do, then its kind of confusing why you thought the intention behind the post was racist. But, then again, this is DCUM so everything is racist...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

What about moving UDC, which hardly has any students in Ward 3? That large parcel could be a great site for several schools, recreational facilities and redevelopment along Conn. Ave. Mayor Williams proposed moving UDC to the St. Elizabeths campus to be closer to the population that UDC serves.

Well, aren’t these two posts just the perfect encapsulation of racist DCUM bullshit?

I mean, why wouldn’t we just uproot established schools that primarily serve black students because we have the sads that Deal has trailers again?

Do you all hear yourselves? It’s shameful.

Tony Williams had the right idea. Move UDC to a location that is closer to more of its students, one that actually has the feel of an ivy campus, the St Elizabeth's site. Unlock the economic potential of the Van Ness site, and use the money to improve both the campus and programs of UDC.

But no, the so-called guardians of UDC wanted to cling to their Brutalist bunker along Connecticut, because having Ward 3 real estate was somehow making a statement or "prestigious" in their minds It's the same for Duke Ellington, which is not in a very central or transit-accessible location for the vast majority of its students (including the ones who really live in Maryland. )

[Anonymous]

DC is not going to spend millions to acquire a large school site at market rates for a new WOTP high school. The best path forward is to end feeder rights to Deal and Wilson, to ensure that there is capacity at least for students who live in the area.

Sometimes the simplest solution is the best one.

[Anonymous]

Deal is increasing on average 43 kids per year. If you've been in the stairwells during class change, you know it's precarious. It's not abnormal to see kids running up and down the stairs and screaming. There's not enough teachers to stop the problems that pop up when you have that many kids. The random beefs that happen in the hallway because of a simple joke are not acceptable. Some teachers even allow this sort of behavior in class. I agree that splitting the school is a necessity. Instead of doing it my school, my goal would be to split up rival neighborhoods. For example, North Cleveland Park and Friendship Heights tend to be rivals so keeping them in separate schools would be a good short-term option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Deal is increasing on average 43 kids per year. If you've been in the stairwells during class change, you know it's precarious. It's not abnormal to see kids running up and down the stairs and screaming. There's not enough teachers to stop the problems that pop up when you have that many kids. The random beefs that happen in the hallway because of a simple joke are not acceptable. Some teachers even allow this sort of behavior in class. I agree that splitting the school is a necessity. Instead of doing it my school, my goal would be to split up rival neighborhoods. For example, North Cleveland Park and Friendship Heights tend to be rivals so keeping them in separate schools would be a good short-term option.

I will never be done laughing at this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Deal is increasing on average 43 kids per year. If you've been in the stairwells during class change, you know it's precarious. It's not abnormal to see kids running up and down the stairs and screaming. There's not enough teachers to stop the problems that pop up when you have that many kids. The random beefs that happen in the hallway because of a simple joke are not acceptable. Some teachers even allow this sort of behavior in class. I agree that splitting the school is a necessity. Instead of doing it my school, my goal would be to split up rival neighborhoods. For example, North Cleveland Park and Friendship Heights tend to be rivals so keeping them in separate schools would be a good short-term option.

I will never be done laughing at this.

Yes. Youze either in a "North Cleveland Park" (a contrived realtor term) gang of a Friendship Heights gang.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

What about moving UDC, which hardly has any students in Ward 3? That large parcel could be a great site for several schools, recreational facilities and redevelopment along Conn. Ave. Mayor Williams proposed moving UDC to the St. Elizabeths campus to be closer to the population that UDC serves.

UDC is a mile from both Wilson and Deal. What are you proposing this for? Just put all the middle and high schools in a little pocket in upper NW?

JFC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Something centered around swapping part of Howard Law for old Banneker might work, although I would hope to save that site for another magnet school.

Finding real estate is the easy part! Have you met the groups of people this satisfies?

What about moving UDC, which hardly has any students in Ward 3? That large parcel could be a great site for several schools, recreational facilities and redevelopment along Conn. Ave. Mayor Williams proposed moving UDC to the St. Elizabeths campus to be closer to the population that UDC serves.

Well, aren’t these two posts just the perfect encapsulation of racist DCUM bullshit?

I mean, why wouldn’t we just uproot established schools that primarily serve black students because we have the sads that Deal has trailers again?

Do you all hear yourselves? It’s shameful.

NP. Your righteous indignation is misplaced and I don't think Mayor Williams was racist. If most of the students were commuting from SE or other areas far from Van Ness, it might be better for them to move it to a new location. This board is filled with people obsessed with limiting commute time. This would be particularly valuable for students who likely have jobs as well to balance and would be most impacted by higher commute costs.

There may be reasons that this isn't a good idea. Maybe they have internships or other programs established with the existing location that would be unwise to disrupt. But it is not an idea that can or should be dismissed with a casual accusation of racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you been to Hoawrd Law lately? But more importantly do you know where the Banneker site sits in relation to Howard University?

There's nothing racist in wondering whether Howard U might covet land directly across the street from it more than land in the backwaters of Van Ness. Did you even think your rant through before you jumped to your conclusions?


But yes, UDC can't be moved for a whole host of political and perception reasons - but there's nicer ways to tell people that, because if you haven't noticed, a lot of people here are relatively new to the city and don't know the local history.

Black schools are not chess pieces for white DC to move around to satisfy our every whim. If Howard or UDC think moves are in their best interests, presumably they’ll pursue them. Don’t insult us by suggesting that you have their best interests at heart.

Why aren’t we speculating on whether, say, Burke might want to relocate? They have a beautiful building that would be great for a DCPS! And what about Maret, so close to the metro, on all of that beautiful land. Perfect for a charter school! Maybe Georgetown Law would want to move out of their space near Union Station to be closer to the main campus....

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Maybe because all the schools you mention are private schools? How about is this relevant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you been to Hoawrd Law lately? But more importantly do you know where the Banneker site sits in relation to Howard University?

There's nothing racist in wondering whether Howard U might covet land directly across the street from it more than land in the backwaters of Van Ness. Did you even think your rant through before you jumped to your conclusions?


But yes, UDC can't be moved for a whole host of political and perception reasons - but there's nicer ways to tell people that, because if you haven't noticed, a lot of people here are relatively new to the city and don't know the local history.

Black schools are not chess pieces for white DC to move around to satisfy our every whim. If Howard or UDC think moves are in their best interests, presumably they’ll pursue them. Don’t insult us by suggesting that you have their best interests at heart.

Why aren’t we speculating on whether, say, Burke might want to relocate? They have a beautiful building that would be great for a DCPS! And what about Maret, so close to the metro, on all of that beautiful land. Perfect for a charter school! Maybe Georgetown Law would want to move out of their space near Union Station to be closer to the main campus....

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Maybe because all the schools you mention are private schools? How about is this relevant?

You don't realize Howard Law School is a private school?

[Anonymous]

Yes, I do. Doesn’t make your contribution any more useful than the PP to propose the same thing. Be better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I do. Doesn’t make your contribution any more useful than the PP to propose the same thing. Be better.

Convincing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you been to Hoawrd Law lately? But more importantly do you know where the Banneker site sits in relation to Howard University?

There's nothing racist in wondering whether Howard U might covet land directly across the street from it more than land in the backwaters of Van Ness. Did you even think your rant through before you jumped to your conclusions?


But yes, UDC can't be moved for a whole host of political and perception reasons - but there's nicer ways to tell people that, because if you haven't noticed, a lot of people here are relatively new to the city and don't know the local history.

Black schools are not chess pieces for white DC to move around to satisfy our every whim. If Howard or UDC think moves are in their best interests, presumably they’ll pursue them. Don’t insult us by suggesting that you have their best interests at heart.

Why aren’t we speculating on whether, say, Burke might want to relocate? They have a beautiful building that would be great for a DCPS! And what about Maret, so close to the metro, on all of that beautiful land. Perfect for a charter school! Maybe Georgetown Law would want to move out of their space near Union Station to be closer to the main campus....

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I'll treat your ideas with the respect and consideration any conversation occurs. Don't worry, I assume it's not going to be reciprocated.

1. Burke has no field or parking lot, was just renovated, is accessible solely by a single neighborhood street, and fills up every square inch of land they own. The site itself would not be able to meet the needs of a high school large enough to incorporate underserved areas to the east.

2. Maret - DCPS does not own the fields next to Banneker. As I'm sure you would agree, there is not a chance in hell that DC would give parks and rec space on Georgia Ave to a rich private school. Therefore Maret wouldn't be int rested because doing so would entail a major downgrade of their facilities.

3. I'm sure Georgetown would absolutely love additional land next to it's main campus. Does DC own any land there?

I don't even care where a location would be. Howard Law was suggested because it's theoretically possible since it's a good sized plot of land (including fields), the buildings are in need of major renovations, and DC/DCPS owns (soon to be) unused land that Howard would likely want more.

I don't have any damn group's interest at heart. All I care about is the City. DC needs a second viable by right high school in order to sustain the growth it has recently achieved. That's not going to happen by either magically forcing traditional Wilson feeder students to attend Coolidge and it's not going to happen by forcing the newer feeder students to attend Cardozo or Roosevelt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you been to Hoawrd Law lately? But more importantly do you know where the Banneker site sits in relation to Howard University?

There's nothing racist in wondering whether Howard U might covet land directly across the street from it more than land in the backwaters of Van Ness. Did you even think your rant through before you jumped to your conclusions?


But yes, UDC can't be moved for a whole host of political and perception reasons - but there's nicer ways to tell people that, because if you haven't noticed, a lot of people here are relatively new to the city and don't know the local history.

Black schools are not chess pieces for white DC to move around to satisfy our every whim. If Howard or UDC think moves are in their best interests, presumably they’ll pursue them. Don’t insult us by suggesting that you have their best interests at heart.

Why aren’t we speculating on whether, say, Burke might want to relocate? They have a beautiful building that would be great for a DCPS! And what about Maret, so close to the metro, on all of that beautiful land. Perfect for a charter school! Maybe Georgetown Law would want to move out of their space near Union Station to be closer to the main campus....

?

I'll treat your ideas with the respect and consideration any conversation occurs. Don't worry, I assume it's not going to be reciprocated.

1. Burke has no field or parking lot, was just renovated, is accessible solely by a single neighborhood street, and fills up every square inch of land they own. The site itself would not be able to meet the needs of a high school large enough to incorporate underserved areas to the east.

2. Maret - DCPS does not own the fields next to Banneker. As I'm sure you would agree, there is not a chance in hell that DC would give parks and rec space on Georgia Ave to a rich private school. Therefore Maret wouldn't be int rested because doing so would entail a major downgrade of their facilities.

3. I'm sure Georgetown would absolutely love additional land next to it's main campus. Does DC own any land there?

I don't even care where a location would be. Howard Law was suggested because it's theoretically possible since it's a good sized plot of land (including fields), the buildings are in need of major renovations, and DC/DCPS owns (soon to be) unused land that Howard would likely want more.

I don't have any damn group's interest at heart. All I care about is the City. DC needs a second viable by right high school in order to sustain the growth it has recently achieved. That's not going to happen by either magically forcing traditional Wilson feeder students to attend Coolidge and it's not going to happen by forcing the newer feeder students to attend Cardozo or Roosevelt.

The only useful purpose of the thought experiments in this thread is to help people understand the challenges facing charter schools when it comes to finding suitable facilities.

You all need to do what they have to do -- go much further east and south/southeast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you been to Hoawrd Law lately? But more importantly do you know where the Banneker site sits in relation to Howard University?

There's nothing racist in wondering whether Howard U might covet land directly across the street from it more than land in the backwaters of Van Ness. Did you even think your rant through before you jumped to your conclusions?


But yes, UDC can't be moved for a whole host of political and perception reasons - but there's nicer ways to tell people that, because if you haven't noticed, a lot of people here are relatively new to the city and don't know the local history.

Black schools are not chess pieces for white DC to move around to satisfy our every whim. If Howard or UDC think moves are in their best interests, presumably they’ll pursue them. Don’t insult us by suggesting that you have their best interests at heart.

Why aren’t we speculating on whether, say, Burke might want to relocate? They have a beautiful building that would be great for a DCPS! And what about Maret, so close to the metro, on all of that beautiful land. Perfect for a charter school! Maybe Georgetown Law would want to move out of their space near Union Station to be closer to the main campus....

?

I'll treat your ideas with the respect and consideration any conversation occurs. Don't worry, I assume it's not going to be reciprocated.

1. Burke has no field or parking lot, was just renovated, is accessible solely by a single neighborhood street, and fills up every square inch of land they own. The site itself would not be able to meet the needs of a high school large enough to incorporate underserved areas to the east.

2. Maret - DCPS does not own the fields next to Banneker. As I'm sure you would agree, there is not a chance in hell that DC would give parks and rec space on Georgia Ave to a rich private school. Therefore Maret wouldn't be int rested because doing so would entail a major downgrade of their facilities.

3. I'm sure Georgetown would absolutely love additional land next to it's main campus. Does DC own any land there?

I don't even care where a location would be. Howard Law was suggested because it's theoretically possible since it's a good sized plot of land (including fields), the buildings are in need of major renovations, and DC/DCPS owns (soon to be) unused land that Howard would likely want more.

I don't have any damn group's interest at heart. All I care about is the City. DC needs a second viable by right high school in order to sustain the growth it has recently achieved. That's not going to happen by either magically forcing traditional Wilson feeder students to attend Coolidge and it's not going to happen by forcing the newer feeder students to attend Cardozo or Roosevelt.

But why not? Why is that dismissed as an option? Because white people won’t stand for it—right? So, instead, let’s figure out a plan that displaces black people but pretends like it’s in their best interest. Of course Howard would want the land next to their campus, right? Not necessarily. Just like Georgetown likes having a foothold downtown and is more likely to expand that footprint than contract it, Howard might appreciate having a foothold in a different part of the city.

Your assumptions are very revealing.