How important is TJ for college?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There appear to be reasonable people on both sides of this "debate," even if most seem to agree that effect on college admissions is marginal. The problem is that a bunch of petulant little twits on this thread on both sides. I figure this likely do to feelings of sexual inadequacy, but what do I know? As a pro-TJ poster, I would like to apologize for these recent, vacuous posts made by others demeaning Madison. These posts were underwhelming to say the least.

+1. Concur! The best way to deal with these idiots is to not engage them. I do think it goes both ways. There are vehement anti-TJ and pro-TJ posters who both need to chill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There appear to be reasonable people on both sides of this "debate," even if most seem to agree that effect on college admissions is marginal. The problem is that a bunch of petulant little twits on this thread on both sides. I figure this likely do to feelings of sexual inadequacy, but what do I know? As a pro-TJ poster, I would like to apologize for these recent, vacuous posts made by others demeaning Madison. These posts were underwhelming to say the least.

What do you mean by the posts were underwhelming? Or did you mean the data? Saying the posts are underwhelming doesn’t make sense, or are you just trying to copy some of the previous responses from another thread? “Underwhelming indeed”

[Anonymous]

2 acceptances to Yale in 8 years! Come on, that is pretty bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2 acceptances to Yale in 8 years! Come on, that is pretty bad.

Ok, but it still doesn’t make sense to say that the post was underwhelming. The post was just providing information. You’d need to say the data is underwhelming.

[Anonymous]

Posts of data and analysis are fine. They may be wrong or misleading, but they open debate.
Petulant comments like "TJ is a joke" or TJ's or MMadison's acceptances are underwhelming" are simply twitish. And responding to these comments is foolish, so I apologize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2 acceptances to Yale in 8 years! Come on, that is pretty bad.

According to US News and World Report, there are 22,000 public HS in the country. 2 in 8 years means 1 student every 4 years.

There are 5400 undergrads at Yale. So, by this metric. So, that means 75% of the HS have no one in Yale. But it is worse, because some HS -- mostly the elite privates, but some publics like TJ send multiple to Yale. Private and boarding schools account for 42% of the class. TJ, Bronx HS of Science and similar schools place 10 or so kids at Yale, accounting for a total of probably 200 students from the top public magnet schools.

So of the 1400 new freshman, 580 come from elite privates, and another 200 or so come from public magnets. Rounding off, that means 800/1400 students come from schools that pre-select the students. That leaves 600 slots, or 2400 over 4 years for 22000 open public schools. That means that, at best, just over 10% of the HS's nationwide will have a student in Yale.

Same with princeton, Princeton has 38 students in the freshman class from VA. 6 are from TJ. 32 from the rest of the state. I know 1 is from Madison; other schools. 33% of the advanced diplomas in va are from NOVA. I am going to assume it 60% of the incoming freshmen from Princeton is from NOVA. That would leave 23 students from NOVA. 17 from schools not named TJ. And about 10 from privates. There are 54 public HS's in that area, 53 not named TJ. 7 kids went to Princeton out of 53 schools. In one class.

Averaging 1 per year at Princeton, heck having any students, is remarkable for a open enrollment high school.

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You know, I could argue that VT should not reject any student from TJ based on the admission criteria to get into TJ, but not all students applying to VT from TJ get in.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, I could argue that VT should not reject any student from TJ based on the admission criteria to get into TJ, but not all students applying to VT from TJ get in.

Just to be clear, I am just pointing out how inane the criticism of madison numbers are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Posts of data and analysis are fine. They may be wrong or misleading, but they open debate.
Petulant comments like "TJ is a joke" or TJ's or MMadison's acceptances are underwhelming" are simply twitish. And responding to these comments is foolish, so I apologize.

+1. Parent of a TJ senior and Madison freshman here. TJ is a great school but certainly not the right fit for all high achieving kids. My younger one who would have been destroyed by the workload and stress is happy at Madison. My older one has embraced the TJ experience and has loved it but has a couple friends who have been pretty miserable there. The older one has been accepted to and will likely attend UVA and my younger one hopefully will as well when her time comes. My advice to parents whose kid has to make a decision between TJ and a base HS: don't make the choice based on perceived prestige but instead know your kid and help them make the right HS choice for who they are. HS should be a memorable and enjoyable 4 years.

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Anonymous wrote:2 acceptances to Yale in 8 years! Come on, that is pretty bad.

According to US News and World Report, there are 22,000 public HS in the country. 2 in 8 years means 1 student every 4 years.

There are 5400 undergrads at Yale. So, by this metric. So, that means 75% of the HS have no one in Yale. But it is worse, because some HS -- mostly the elite privates, but some publics like TJ send multiple to Yale. Private and boarding schools account for 42% of the class. TJ, Bronx HS of Science and similar schools place 10 or so kids at Yale, accounting for a total of probably 200 students from the top public magnet schools.

So of the 1400 new freshman, 580 come from elite privates, and another 200 or so come from public magnets. Rounding off, that means 800/1400 students come from schools that pre-select the students. That leaves 600 slots, or 2400 over 4 years for 22000 open public schools. That means that, at best, just over 10% of the HS's nationwide will have a student in Yale.

Same with princeton, Princeton has 38 students in the freshman class from VA. 6 are from TJ. 32 from the rest of the state. I know 1 is from Madison; other schools. 33% of the advanced diplomas in va are from NOVA. I am going to assume it 60% of the incoming freshmen from Princeton is from NOVA. That would leave 23 students from NOVA. 17 from schools not named TJ. And about 10 from privates. There are 54 public HS's in that area, 53 not named TJ. 7 kids went to Princeton out of 53 schools. In one class.

Averaging 1 per year at Princeton, heck having any students, is remarkable for a open enrollment high school.

3 to MIT in the last 8 years? What's difference between Madison numbers and say college numbers from Lee or Annandale? Not much it appears.

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I'd love to know everyone's thoughts 15 years from now. Are there any parents on the board with kids who excelled in math and science, but didn't apply to TJ because, despite having great grades in those classes, weren't really passionate about them. If so, what schools did your kids get into? Does your DC regret not applying to TJ, in retrospect? Just curious.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd love to know everyone's thoughts 15 years from now. Are there any parents on the board with kids who excelled in math and science, but didn't apply to TJ because, despite having great grades in those classes, weren't really passionate about them. If so, what schools did your kids get into? Does your DC regret not applying to TJ, in retrospect? Just curious.

In 15 years no one will care if their kid went to TJ. And neither will the kids who went there quite frankly! No one cares about high school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd love to know everyone's thoughts 15 years from now. Are there any parents on the board with kids who excelled in math and science, but didn't apply to TJ because, despite having great grades in those classes, weren't really passionate about them. If so, what schools did your kids get into? Does your DC regret not applying to TJ, in retrospect? Just curious.

In 15 years no one will care if their kid went to TJ. And neither will the kids who went there quite frankly! No one cares about high school.

Maybe not. TJ has an incredibly active and engaged alumni association (that raises a lot of money). Many kids stay involved at some level after they leave.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd love to know everyone's thoughts 15 years from now. Are there any parents on the board with kids who excelled in math and science, but didn't apply to TJ because, despite having great grades in those classes, weren't really passionate about them. If so, what schools did your kids get into? Does your DC regret not applying to TJ, in retrospect? Just curious.

In 15 years no one will care if their kid went to TJ. And neither will the kids who went there quite frankly! No one cares about high school.

Maybe not. TJ has an incredibly active and engaged alumni association (that raises a lot of money). Many kids stay involved at some level after they leave.

LOL! You are too much!!!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd love to know everyone's thoughts 15 years from now. Are there any parents on the board with kids who excelled in math and science, but didn't apply to TJ because, despite having great grades in those classes, weren't really passionate about them. If so, what schools did your kids get into? Does your DC regret not applying to TJ, in retrospect? Just curious.

In 15 years no one will care if their kid went to TJ. And neither will the kids who went there quite frankly! No one cares about high school.

Maybe not. TJ has an incredibly active and engaged alumni association (that raises a lot of money). Many kids stay involved at some level after they leave.

LOL! You are too much!!!

Personally I would hope they would be more involved at a college level.