Confederate Battle Flag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15:38 here -- I suppose it is a cause celebre, because of Dylann Roof. In that case, never mind, I don't care if SC flies the Confederate flag, the Jolly Roger, or the British flag. Or the South African-apartheid flag or the Rhodesian flag. Whatever they want to do.

On this we agree. And let the chips fall where they may.

The warning I have is when progressives continues to move from cause to cause, they begin to look scattered and foolish.

Sure. When things happen, we shouldn't discuss them or any relevant or semi-relevant side issues, since that makes us look like gadflies. What issue has enough history and gravitas to merit serious conversation? I'm open to suggestions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that some of the people digging their heels in about this flag and its "symbolism" as honoring their heritage are the same people that tell AA's to get over slavery

There is a huge difference...the flag is flying TODAY...slavery ended 150 years ago. Problems and injustices since? Sure. But slavery is a blight on our history, but it is history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15:38 here -- I suppose it is a cause celebre, because of Dylann Roof. In that case, never mind, I don't care if SC flies the Confederate flag, the Jolly Roger, or the British flag. Or the South African-apartheid flag or the Rhodesian flag. Whatever they want to do.

On this we agree. And let the chips fall where they may.

The warning I have is when progressives continues to move from cause to cause, they begin to look scattered and foolish.

It's not moving from cause to cause. It's the same cause: respect for everyone. It's just when you guys find so many ways to try to subvert that one thing that it looks like we are moving from cause to cause as we try to correct the various wrongs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that some of the people digging their heels in about this flag and its "symbolism" as honoring their heritage are the same people that tell AA's to get over slavery

There is a huge difference...the flag is flying TODAY...slavery ended 150 years ago. Problems and injustices since? Sure. But slavery is a blight on our history, but it is history.

Nope, people in support of the flag say that they are not racist - they just want to honor their heritage and history - a period that represents that same periond 150 years ago. Yet, when AA's want to talk about how the other side of the same the history coin and how it has created cetain issues that still linger, they are told to get over it. Either we cling to history or we don't, but there cannot be double standards about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15:38 here -- I suppose it is a cause celebre, because of Dylann Roof. In that case, never mind, I don't care if SC flies the Confederate flag, the Jolly Roger, or the British flag. Or the South African-apartheid flag or the Rhodesian flag. Whatever they want to do.

On this we agree. And let the chips fall where they may.

The warning I have is when progressives continues to move from cause to cause, they begin to look scattered and foolish.

It's not moving from cause to cause. It's the same cause: respect for everyone. It's just when you guys find so many ways to try to subvert that one thing that it looks like we are moving from cause to cause as we try to correct the various wrongs.

+1000

Ironic and bewildering that so many folks who tout themselves as Christians don't seem to grasp some of it's core teachings, such as "treat others as you would have them treat you"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perfect example of taking a tragedy and spinning it for political purposes.

Beautiful example of transferring the blame from the sicko who did this to a flag and a whole State. Also giving more power and recognition to the person who did this heinous act.

He didn't learn to hate in a vacuum.

He didn't. That's true. If you read his 'manifesto', he partially learned to hate from progressives and their PC bullshit.

You are thoroughly unhinged if you believe that. Progressives aren't the ones out there flying Confederate flags, wearing Apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia flags and other symbols of white supremacy, accusing blacks of raping white women and calling on whites to massacre blacks.

What I'm stating is what Roof stated. He could not understand why the media was so up in arms about Trayvon Martin and not upset about black on white murders He did not understand why progressives weren't upset about that His words:

"The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?'

He definitely saw the disconnect of progressive media as evidenced by above.

Personally, I think Roof was a racist pig and deserves the death penalty.

See? PP who likes SC to fly the loser flag views roof as a prophet and is roof's apologist. The last sentence is disinformation. PP doesn't really believe his own last sentence, he's just trying to be clever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15:38 here -- I suppose it is a cause celebre, because of Dylann Roof. In that case, never mind, I don't care if SC flies the Confederate flag, the Jolly Roger, or the British flag. Or the South African-apartheid flag or the Rhodesian flag. Whatever they want to do.

On this we agree. And let the chips fall where they may.

The warning I have is when progressives continues to move from cause to cause, they begin to look scattered and foolish.

Sure. When things happen, we shouldn't discuss them or any relevant or semi-relevant side issues, since that makes us look like gadflies. What issue has enough history and gravitas to merit serious conversation? I'm open to suggestions.

Discuss it all you want. Bullying and rioting? No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15:38 here -- I suppose it is a cause celebre, because of Dylann Roof. In that case, never mind, I don't care if SC flies the Confederate flag, the Jolly Roger, or the British flag. Or the South African-apartheid flag or the Rhodesian flag. Whatever they want to do.

On this we agree. And let the chips fall where they may.

The warning I have is when progressives continues to move from cause to cause, they begin to look scattered and foolish.

It's not moving from cause to cause. It's the same cause: respect for everyone. It's just when you guys find so many ways to try to subvert that one thing that it looks like we are moving from cause to cause as we try to correct the various wrongs.

Respect for everyone? Really? Respect for Christians? Israelis? Southerners? Flyover country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:15:38 here -- I suppose it is a cause celebre, because of Dylann Roof. In that case, never mind, I don't care if SC flies the Confederate flag, the Jolly Roger, or the British flag. Or the South African-apartheid flag or the Rhodesian flag. Whatever they want to do.

On this we agree. And let the chips fall where they may.

The warning I have is when progressives continues to move from cause to cause, they begin to look scattered and foolish.

It's not moving from cause to cause. It's the same cause: respect for everyone. It's just when you guys find so many ways to try to subvert that one thing that it looks like we are moving from cause to cause as we try to correct the various wrongs.

+1000

Ironic and bewildering that so many folks who tout themselves as Christians don't seem to grasp some of it's core teachings, such as "treat others as you would have them treat you"

Is that why you don't respect their desire not cater a gay wedding? Shut em down! Drive them out of business! They are hateful bigots! Tolerance to liberals means 'see it my way or I will come after you until you do'.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That poster who was defending the confederate flag seemed emotionally disturbed. Basically people like that are paranoid schizophrenia. That PP has probably spent YEARS "studying" his "subject" and coming up with facile responses to arguments he's heard hundreds of times. When guys like that PP get too far lost in their delusions, really bad things can happen. Fortunately most are just harmless cranks but not always. The bottom line is that flag is a deliberate racist symbol. That's what it means and it's all that it means, period. It doesn't stand for a brave and noble lost cause. It's always stood for pure stupidity. It's always stood for a horrible war for a worthless "cause"-- slavery--because southern leaders didn't care about slaves and they didn't care about their own sons, they led them to horrible slaughter against the North.

People like PP defending that flag and all those in favor of it are just doubling and tripling down in delusional stupidity. These guys aren't simply racists--they're mentally disturbed people who latch onto a racist world view to provide focus to their pre-existing mental illness. It didn't even have to be racism either. If PP had happened to latch onto something else to obsessively focus on it could have been anything like John Lennon or Jodi Foster.

Take your meds. There is not a clear link between that flag and mental illness. Are all the people in the SC legislature paranoid schizophrenics? I guess to you they are. Meds -- they do wonders.

PP, you not only defended the flying of the flag, now you're openly an apologist for roof. He's a prophet to you. You're definitely a paranoid schizophrenic. If you were just a redneck racist or even just a troll, you wouldn't have bothered to engage in a detailed textual analysis and defensive exegesis of roof's manifesto. I don't need to read a mass killer's.rants to know he is nuts. His actions proved that. Only someone who is also severely mentally disturbed but hopefully non violent in your case would defend the man's words and ignore the fact that his evil actions negate anything he saidd in justificstion of his evil.

[Anonymous]

You know who put up that flag in SC? A Democrat - Sen. Ernest Fritz Hollings - he used to be governor and he put it up. Know who the first person to try to get it removed? A conservative republican governor who got no support from the local NAALCP.

Some history for y'all....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That poster who was defending the confederate flag seemed emotionally disturbed. Basically people like that are paranoid schizophrenia. That PP has probably spent YEARS "studying" his "subject" and coming up with facile responses to arguments he's heard hundreds of times. When guys like that PP get too far lost in their delusions, really bad things can happen. Fortunately most are just harmless cranks but not always. The bottom line is that flag is a deliberate racist symbol. That's what it means and it's all that it means, period. It doesn't stand for a brave and noble lost cause. It's always stood for pure stupidity. It's always stood for a horrible war for a worthless "cause"-- slavery--because southern leaders didn't care about slaves and they didn't care about their own sons, they led them to horrible slaughter against the North.

People like PP defending that flag and all those in favor of it are just doubling and tripling down in delusional stupidity. These guys aren't simply racists--they're mentally disturbed people who latch onto a racist world view to provide focus to their pre-existing mental illness. It didn't even have to be racism either. If PP had happened to latch onto something else to obsessively focus on it could have been anything like John Lennon or Jodi Foster.

Take your meds. There is not a clear link between that flag and mental illness. Are all the people in the SC legislature paranoid schizophrenics? I guess to you they are. Meds -- they do wonders.

PP, you not only defended the flying of the flag, now you're openly an apologist for roof. He's a prophet to you. You're definitely a paranoid schizophrenic. If you were just a redneck racist or even just a troll, you wouldn't have bothered to engage in a detailed textual analysis and defensive exegesis of roof's manifesto. I don't need to read a mass killer's.rants to know he is nuts. His actions proved that. Only someone who is also severely mentally disturbed but hopefully non violent in your case would defend the man's words and ignore the fact that his evil actions negate anything he saidd in justificstion of his evil.

Isn't it democrats who say we need to understand Muslim radicals? That they are not nuts? That we make them do it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that some of the people digging their heels in about this flag and its "symbolism" as honoring their heritage are the same people that tell AA's to get over slavery

There is a huge difference...the flag is flying TODAY...slavery ended 150 years ago. Problems and injustices since? Sure. But slavery is a blight on our history, but it is history.

Nope, people in support of the flag say that they are not racist - they just want to honor their heritage and history - a period that represents that same periond 150 years ago. Yet, when AA's want to talk about how the other side of the same the history coin and how it has created cetain issues that still linger, they are told to get over it. Either we cling to history or we don't, but there cannot be double standards about it.

There is a small percentage...ridiculous and even racist as they might be...that hold onto that flag. But as I said...the issue is it's flying today which makes it a TODAY issue. The slavery you are talking about is NOT going on today in America. So, go ahead and cling to your history...it will serve you no good purpose. Remembering it, learning from it, applying it to your current and future actions can all serve you well but clinging to it is nothing more than a crutch.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:You know who put up that flag in SC? A Democrat - Sen. Ernest Fritz Hollings - he used to be governor and he put it up. Know who the first person to try to get it removed? A conservative republican governor who got no support from the local NAALCP.

Some history for y'all....

This is going to shock you. So, please sit down. Are you sitting down? Ready or not, here goes: Democrats sometimes do stupid things. Democrats sometimes even do racist things.

I'll wait for you to get up off the floor. Do you need a few more minutes? If not, do you know what is important? Recognizing that stupid and/or racist things have been done and trying to correct them. Flying the Confederate flag was wrong. Democrats realized it was wrong some time ago. Today, a Republican governor steped forward to also say that it was wrong and is taking steps to correct the mistake. That's great. You, on the other hand, still don't appear to have realized that it was wrong.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You know who put up that flag in SC? A Democrat - Sen. Ernest Fritz Hollings - he used to be governor and he put it up. Know who the first person to try to get it removed? A conservative republican governor who got no support from the local NAALCP.

Some history for y'all....

This is going to shock you. So, please sit down. Are you sitting down? Ready or not, here goes: Democrats sometimes do stupid things. Democrats sometimes even do racist things.

I'll wait for you to get up off the floor. Do you need a few more minutes? If not, do you know what is important? Recognizing that stupid and/or racist things have been done and trying to correct them. Flying the Confederate flag was wrong. Democrats realized it was wrong some time ago. Today, a Republican governor steped forward to also say that it was wrong and is taking steps to correct the mistake. That's great. You, on the other hand, still don't appear to have realized that it was wrong.

agree completely.