Caitlyn Jenner

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Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

NP who has no issue with LGBT

Who became the pronoun police? Caitlyn is still a male. She can dress herself up all she wants, still a male. Males use "he" pronouns so some people will still use them. Not ignorant, not disgusting, not disturbing. Simple language. Differing opinion.


You can do whatever you want with your life but you cannot expect the world to grind to a halt and accommodate you.

You realize the "T" in LGBT stands for transgender, right? So actually you clearly do have an issue with LGBT and are very transphobic. You are not an ally.

Of course I do and trust me I'm an ally.

Spit take..... NP here. You are the antithesis of an ally if you refer to "pronoun police" and refer to a transgender woman as still a male. That's the very definition of NOT AN ALLY.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

NP who has no issue with LGBT

Who became the pronoun police? Caitlyn is still a male. She can dress herself up all she wants, still a male. Males use "he" pronouns so some people will still use them. Not ignorant, not disgusting, not disturbing. Simple language. Differing opinion.


You can do whatever you want with your life but you cannot expect the world to grind to a halt and accommodate you.

I agree with you, last poster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

I can understand he/she wants to live the life she/he wants, but please don't promote the gender change.

NP who has no issue with LGBT

Who became the pronoun police? Caitlyn is still a male. She can dress herself up all she wants, still a male. Males use "he" pronouns so some people will still use them. Not ignorant, not disgusting, not disturbing. Simple language. Differing opinion.


You can do whatever you want with your life but you cannot expect the world to grind to a halt and accommodate you.

I agree with you, last poster.

[Anonymous]

http://m.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/caitlyn-jenner-talks-transition-in-first-i-am-cait-teaser-watch-201536

Is it just me, or does she look a bit like Mariska Hargitay?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

NP. You could lipstick on a pig and then say it's a woman. Some might agree with you. Some West Virginians would be especially happy. The rest of us would say it's a pig. A woman is not a dude with lipstick. Bruce Jenner is and will always be male.

I agree with the statement that Bruce will always be a male. It's like when the media was hyping up the "Pregnant Man" nonsense. WTF there was never a pregnant man. He is biologically a woman who lives his life as a man...except when it comes to being pregnant/giving birth.

[Anonymous]

Its all so superficial and vain and utterly vile. I agree its another form of dysmorphia.

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Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

NP who has no issue with LGBT

Who became the pronoun police? Caitlyn is still a male. She can dress herself up all she wants, still a male. Males use "he" pronouns so some people will still use them. Not ignorant, not disgusting, not disturbing. Simple language. Differing opinion.


You can do whatever you want with your life but you cannot expect the world to grind to a halt and accommodate you.

You realize the "T" in LGBT stands for transgender, right? So actually you clearly do have an issue with LGBT and are very transphobic. You are not an ally.

Of course I do and trust me I'm an ally.

Spit take..... NP here. You are the antithesis of an ally if you refer to "pronoun police" and refer to a transgender woman as still a male. That's the very definition of NOT AN ALLY.

Maybe the poster is a supporter and ally of LGB, but not T. I really don't think you have to be a supporter of T, especially if you believe it to be a mental illness.

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Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

NP who has no issue with LGBT

Who became the pronoun police? Caitlyn is still a male. She can dress herself up all she wants, still a male. Males use "he" pronouns so some people will still use them. Not ignorant, not disgusting, not disturbing. Simple language. Differing opinion.


You can do whatever you want with your life but you cannot expect the world to grind to a halt and accommodate you.

You realize the "T" in LGBT stands for transgender, right? So actually you clearly do have an issue with LGBT and are very transphobic. You are not an ally.

Of course I do and trust me I'm an ally.

Spit take..... NP here. You are the antithesis of an ally if you refer to "pronoun police" and refer to a transgender woman as still a male. That's the very definition of NOT AN ALLY.

Biologically her sex is male. Her gender is female. I was pointing out that being the pronoun police does nothing to garner tolerance as some people will still see her as male - which biologically she is. Remember sex is different from gender. So ... whatever you want to believe about me is fine but you are wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

NP who has no issue with LGBT

Who became the pronoun police? Caitlyn is still a male. She can dress herself up all she wants, still a male. Males use "he" pronouns so some people will still use them. Not ignorant, not disgusting, not disturbing. Simple language. Differing opinion.


You can do whatever you want with your life but you cannot expect the world to grind to a halt and accommodate you.

You realize the "T" in LGBT stands for transgender, right? So actually you clearly do have an issue with LGBT and are very transphobic. You are not an ally.

Of course I do and trust me I'm an ally.

Spit take..... NP here. You are the antithesis of an ally if you refer to "pronoun police" and refer to a transgender woman as still a male. That's the very definition of NOT AN ALLY.

Maybe the poster is a supporter and ally of LGB, but not T. I really don't think you have to be a supporter of T, especially if you believe it to be a mental illness.

People here really need to learn to follow a conversation thread Never said it was a mental illness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

NP who has no issue with LGBT

Who became the pronoun police? Caitlyn is still a male. She can dress herself up all she wants, still a male. Males use "he" pronouns so some people will still use them. Not ignorant, not disgusting, not disturbing. Simple language. Differing opinion.


You can do whatever you want with your life but you cannot expect the world to grind to a halt and accommodate you.

You realize the "T" in LGBT stands for transgender, right? So actually you clearly do have an issue with LGBT and are very transphobic. You are not an ally.

Of course I do and trust me I'm an ally.

Spit take..... NP here. You are the antithesis of an ally if you refer to "pronoun police" and refer to a transgender woman as still a male. That's the very definition of NOT AN ALLY.

Biologically her sex is male. Her gender is female. I was pointing out that being the pronoun police does nothing to garner tolerance as some people will still see her as male - which biologically she is. Remember sex is different from gender. So ... whatever you want to believe about me is fine but you are wrong.

NP. Interesting. So where does the pronoun come into play anymore? Trying to think of when we use pronoun re: sex but not necessarily gender ....

[Anonymous]

If those of you who are trans-friendly want to help your cause (not just on DCUM; I'm seeing this everywhere) cool it with the lecturing people on using "dead names," incorrect pronouns, etc.

You can jump up and down all you want, but I'm still calling him Bruce Jenner (and "him."). Go ahead and come back with any smarmy retort you wish, but it's not going to change how many of us feel and speak about this non-issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If those of you who are trans-friendly want to help your cause (not just on DCUM; I'm seeing this everywhere) cool it with the lecturing people on using "dead names," incorrect pronouns, etc.

You can jump up and down all you want, but I'm still calling him Bruce Jenner (and "him."). Go ahead and come back with any smarmy retort you wish, but it's not going to change how many of us feel and speak about this non-issue.

And this is why I was trying to explain this upthread. That being the pronoun police does nothing to educate and bring tolerance to the transgender community.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is disgusting the big promotion of this person changing his sex. It is also disturbing for children.

She did not change her sex; she changed her gender. Do you know the difference?

Evidently, the answer is no.

Why is it "disturbing" for children for someone to choose to be happier and true to themselves, while doing no harm to anyone? Do you not think it's more disturbing to suffer?

He/she (whatever gender this person is) can choose to be happier keeping a low profile. The big promotion is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

Caitlyn's gender is "she," as a woman. There is no "he" or "he/she." She is a she. The ignorance by people like you over issues concerning gender/transgender/sexuality is disgusting and disturbing for many families who have children.

NP who has no issue with LGBT

Who became the pronoun police? Caitlyn is still a male. She can dress herself up all she wants, still a male. Males use "he" pronouns so some people will still use them. Not ignorant, not disgusting, not disturbing. Simple language. Differing opinion.


You can do whatever you want with your life but you cannot expect the world to grind to a halt and accommodate you.

You realize the "T" in LGBT stands for transgender, right? So actually you clearly do have an issue with LGBT and are very transphobic. You are not an ally.

Of course I do and trust me I'm an ally.

Spit take..... NP here. You are the antithesis of an ally if you refer to "pronoun police" and refer to a transgender woman as still a male. That's the very definition of NOT AN ALLY.

Biologically her sex is male. Her gender is female. I was pointing out that being the pronoun police does nothing to garner tolerance as some people will still see her as male - which biologically she is. Remember sex is different from gender. So ... whatever you want to believe about me is fine but you are wrong.

NP. Interesting. So where does the pronoun come into play anymore? Trying to think of when we use pronoun re: sex but not necessarily gender ....

medical records for one

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Anonymous wrote:Gross. Sick. Wrong. Mentally ill. Take your struggles to a therapist and work this all out privately.

wow...this is NOTHING a therapist could fix because its not a mental health problem! wtf is wrong with you?

It is though. It is categorized as a dysphoria. Other dysphorias (body, limb etc) are treated with medication and intensive therapy with a great deal of success. Because the transgender issue was grouped in with LGBT issues it became something that had to be tolerated and accepted, instead of treated.

I am not the PP and I would never say things like "Gross. Sick. Wrong." I also don't care how people dress or present themselves, if they want to call themselves Caitlyn when their name is Bruce or Prince Vlad and wear fangs when their name is Frank. I do feel though we are treating gender dysphoria incorrectly.

Well, every transgender person I've read about (quite a lot) and known (three) went through years and years of intensive but unsuccessful therapy because therapy was never going to change the reality that for them, they were in the wrong body. What do you propose they do, when it seems to me that transitioning actually solves their mental anguish. Yes, I get it creates discomfort for others, but it solves their problem. Are you suggesting that they should be treated in a way that makes it easier for you?

Question for pp. I am not sure if this has been covered yet, but aren't people born with this? Didn't Bruce know he was different at a very young age? How was he able to marry and have children knowing that he wanted to be female. How was he able to love and make love to a woman when he wanted to be one himself? He dressed like a man, most transgender a I know want to dress the opposite. It just seems like this came on "all of a sudden". Why after 60 years? Why not sooner?

[Anonymous]

Here's the deal:

It's courageous when Joe Smith transitions to Jane and overcomes all obstacles thrown her way.

It's not all that heroic when Bruce transitions very publicly to Caitlyn given that the media is salivating for someone to say something remotely negative so they can pounce on it. As such, Bruce enjoyed an unprecedented and global support replete with positive media coverage, a gajillion supportive tweets, and the title of hero.

I'm happy for Caitlyn, but her story is not the norm. And she really hasn't had to overcome any adversity. Her transition was easy given her wealth, status and the universal support she has received. They are projecting 500 million in future earnings for her. She's fine. But she's not a hero. She's lucky.