This age discrepancy due to "redshirting" is ridiculous

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:42 If I redshirt my child, I will be spending the same amount as a year of college for another year of pre-k.

Last school year I paid $6000 for Sept DS2 JrK (giving him an extra year). And I paid over $46,000 for DS1 first year of college. But, whatever. Do what you feel is best for your family.

Im not the PP, but $6K is extremely cheap for preschool. Secondly, $46K is extremely expensive for college. I am sure there are pre-K's and colleges for which the tuition is about the same (like in-state college tuition).

[Anonymous]

Is the argument that if you redshirt a child they'll need one less year of college? If I redshirt, chances are that college goes up in cost each year. I don't anticipate paying for any less years of college although would have one more year to save for it, but really the extra amount in cost probably negates the interest I'd receive over 1 additional year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone discuss this in more detail beyond driver's licenses? If I have a child who is beyond ready for kindergarten socially and academically, what is the advantage? I understand if your child has delays, but what about the younger sibling who is ready to skip kindergarten and be the same grade as their older sibling? Why should I put this child in another year of pre-k?

Because preschool is fun. Because little kids learn a lot about learning through play. They need to do so much problem solving through play in order to reach higher levels of learning later on in school. If they skip this step or don't satisfactorily develop this area of cognition and skip straight into ABC, 123, rote memorization, they will lack the really important soft skills needed to succeed where raw intelligence will only get you so far. Because there is no rush. Because it is more important to instill a love of learning than just quick grade level mastery. Look deeper. Teach your child that learning opportunities are everywhere, that she has more control over what she learns than the teacher. This happens in good play based preschools--as well as the really good social-emotional stuff.

After 3 years of preschool, the curriculum is generally repeated with the 4 and 5 year old ages, so I'm not sure how it benefits. Not all kids gain via play. My child did not do well in a play based program. We switched to a more academic and it is a huge difference. If we hold him back, we'll have to put him in a play based as he cannot do 3 years at his current place as it is a repeat and discouraged. Some kids love to learn and have that deeper love early on. You are placing your values and generalizing them to the needs of all children. Play based is good for some kids, as are all the other styles of programs but it is not the cure-all for a young child. Holding an academically based child back in a play based preschool is a waste of time. We got nothing out of our play based program including social-emotional. They just play. In our program, actual social skills as well as academic skills are taught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:12:42 If I redshirt my child, I will be spending the same amount as a year of college for another year of pre-k.

Last school year I paid $6000 for Sept DS2 JrK (giving him an extra year). And I paid over $46,000 for DS1 first year of college. But, whatever. Do what you feel is best for your family.

Im not the PP, but $6K is extremely cheap for preschool. Secondly, $46K is extremely expensive for college. I am sure there are pre-K's and colleges for which the tuition is about the same (like in-state college tuition).

Okey dokey. So it really doesn't matter when you start your kid in K if your plan is that kid lives at home while attending college. How fun for all of you.

[Anonymous]

Again if you hold your child back, you will not save any college costs as far as I know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again if you hold your child back, you will not save any college costs as far as I know.

Not true. Your child will be stunted and will never go to college. So money will be saved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again if you hold your child back, you will not save any college costs as far as I know.

Not true. Your child will be stunted and will never go to college. So money will be saved.

Short people can't go to college? Crazy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again if you hold your child back, you will not save any college costs as far as I know.

Not true. Your child will be stunted and will never go to college. So money will be saved.

Short people can't go to college? Crazy!

They can go to special short person colleges. They cost half as much.

[Anonymous]

Well, I applied my son, who turned 5 on August 14th, to private schools, clearly indicating that we were interested in kindergarden. Several schools only offered him pre K spots. He has already done pre k, and I don't feel he needs to do it again, so we declined those offers. But at least for non-publics, the schools are pushing it and are at fault to some degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone discuss this in more detail beyond driver's licenses? If I have a child who is beyond ready for kindergarten socially and academically, what is the advantage? I understand if your child has delays, but what about the younger sibling who is ready to skip kindergarten and be the same grade as their older sibling? Why should I put this child in another year of pre-k?

Because preschool is fun. Because little kids learn a lot about learning through play. They need to do so much problem solving through play in order to reach higher levels of learning later on in school. If they skip this step or don't satisfactorily develop this area of cognition and skip straight into ABC, 123, rote memorization, they will lack the really important soft skills needed to succeed where raw intelligence will only get you so far. Because there is no rush. Because it is more important to instill a love of learning than just quick grade level mastery. Look deeper. Teach your child that learning opportunities are everywhere, that she has more control over what she learns than the teacher. This happens in good play based preschools--as well as the really good social-emotional stuff.

After 3 years of preschool, the curriculum is generally repeated with the 4 and 5 year old ages, so I'm not sure how it benefits. Not all kids gain via play. My child did not do well in a play based program. We switched to a more academic and it is a huge difference. If we hold him back, we'll have to put him in a play based as he cannot do 3 years at his current place as it is a repeat and discouraged. Some kids love to learn and have that deeper love early on. You are placing your values and generalizing them to the needs of all children. Play based is good for some kids, as are all the other styles of programs but it is not the cure-all for a young child. Holding an academically based child back in a play based preschool is a waste of time. We got nothing out of our play based program including social-emotional. They just play. In our program, actual social skills as well as academic skills are taught.

The first PP was talking about skipping kindergarten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone discuss this in more detail beyond driver's licenses? If I have a child who is beyond ready for kindergarten socially and academically, what is the advantage? I understand if your child has delays, but what about the younger sibling who is ready to skip kindergarten and be the same grade as their older sibling? Why should I put this child in another year of pre-k?

Because preschool is fun. Because little kids learn a lot about learning through play. They need to do so much problem solving through play in order to reach higher levels of learning later on in school. If they skip this step or don't satisfactorily develop this area of cognition and skip straight into ABC, 123, rote memorization, they will lack the really important soft skills needed to succeed where raw intelligence will only get you so far. Because there is no rush. Because it is more important to instill a love of learning than just quick grade level mastery. Look deeper. Teach your child that learning opportunities are everywhere, that she has more control over what she learns than the teacher. This happens in good play based preschools--as well as the really good social-emotional stuff.

After 3 years of preschool, the curriculum is generally repeated with the 4 and 5 year old ages, so I'm not sure how it benefits. Not all kids gain via play. My child did not do well in a play based program. We switched to a more academic and it is a huge difference. If we hold him back, we'll have to put him in a play based as he cannot do 3 years at his current place as it is a repeat and discouraged. Some kids love to learn and have that deeper love early on. You are placing your values and generalizing them to the needs of all children. Play based is good for some kids, as are all the other styles of programs but it is not the cure-all for a young child. Holding an academically based child back in a play based preschool is a waste of time. We got nothing out of our play based program including social-emotional. They just play. In our program, actual social skills as well as academic skills are taught.

Preschool is traditionally two years. Preschool-3 and PreK-4. It sounds like you started to early to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone discuss this in more detail beyond driver's licenses? If I have a child who is beyond ready for kindergarten socially and academically, what is the advantage? I understand if your child has delays, but what about the younger sibling who is ready to skip kindergarten and be the same grade as their older sibling? Why should I put this child in another year of pre-k?

If your child is ready, do not redshirt. I sent oldest DC on time and he's doing great. He would feel very self conscious if he was in a class with younger kids and all the kids his age were a year ahead--there is stigma attached to being a year behind. I redshirted younger DC because of developmental issues and I don't regret it because it was the right decision, but the stigma of being a year behind is there. Don't subject your child to that unless there is a very good reason.

Why would u hold back a kid born in October or Nov and who would turn 5 in KG by going on time? Not really a year ahead - is it??? Holding a Aug or Sep kid who would only be 4 would only mean beaing 1 day to 60 days older, not close to a year. Basic math folks, basic math!

[Anonymous]

meant "turn 5 before going into KG..."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again if you hold your child back, you will not save any college costs as far as I know.

Not true. Your child will be stunted and will never go to college. So money will be saved.

Short people can't go to college? Crazy!

They can go to special short person colleges. They cost half as much.

I am short and this is true. The other short guy who stayed on my back the whole time and I paid half each.

[Anonymous]

14:19 Unfortunately we're a tall family, so short colleges aren't an option javascript:emoticon('');