Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

[Anonymous]

So what are the differences between CogNat and FAT? If they're so different, even if some kids are prepared with CogNat, I'm wondering if the preparation really helps. Please advice. Never seen a FAT sample.

[Anonymous]

So what are the differences between CogNat and FAT? If they're so different, even if some kids are prepared with CogNat, I'm wondering if the preparation really helps. Please advice. Never seen a FAT sample.

I don't no the differences between the 2 tests you mention. In general, preparation usually helps for most tasks in life.

[Anonymous]

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(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

Thus AAP prep will not only just help your children get into a good school but it will also give them the necessary moral skills needed to be successful Washington D.C. bureaucrat / politician. It’s a win-win.

Wow. Interesting take.

As for me and my house... we'll stick with honesty and integrity.

I really love the biblical quote, missed on most here I suspect. Joshua 24:15.

[Anonymous]

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The reality is that there are businesses that make money providing test prep. They would like to start working with their customers at an early age, so they would like parents to send their first and second graders to prep for the ability tests that are only a part of the AAP selection process. And some children will do better on these tests because they have practiced and practiced questions ahead of time that they were supposed to see for the first time on test day.
But the teachers still fill out the GBRS so that the committee will get a view of how the child behaves in the classroom on a day to day basis. Yes, some borderline students will be in the program who would be fine in a regular classroom, but overall, I don't think test prep will boost an average child's score to the highly or profoundly gifted level. I do think that those who make money selling test prep would like you to think it can make an average child a genius.

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

This is America, the land of the free and free enterprise. What do you have against businesses making money providing test prep? There are businesses in America BIG money off sex, alcohol, guns and tobacco. These businesses, too, start working with their customers at an early age. All above board, legal and good for your economy.

Fault the schools for the bureaucratic leaders for the emergence of tracking (prison sentence for young and developing students) tests.

And the GODS fill out GBRS forms that tell the rea truth. Alice do you really think teachers are gods and are not susceptible to ass kissing and preconceived notions, not to mention gifts (bribes) howered to them from parents like yourself. I'm sure you never have experienced a teacher like this.

Kids study hard, work hard, prepare and take as many practise tests and exercises as your heart delights. Alice in Wonderland is on drugs.

I think free enterprise is great and I also think that consumers should know what they are spending their hard-earned money on. Lots of businesses sell products that are not worthwhile, so consumers have the right to do research before spending money. If a product is not worth their money then their money is wasted. Even if I were the richest person on earth, I would not want to waste my money. This particular product (test prep for the cognitive ability tests) has been noted by the school system as one they prefer parents not use.

No one has referred to teachers as gods, but they have the experience of seeing many students over time and can note which students learn new subject matter quickly and easily. More than one teacher fills out the GBRS so more than one set of (admittedly human) eyes has observed the students.

Do you really think that a lot of children read this board? Parents seem to be the main users of this board.

You are confusing two notions, I can say from experience with two kids, the product does work and worth every penny I paid for it.

It is not a certainty that your kids are in AAP because of test prep for a second grade ability test. Maybe they're bright kids.

By "works," do you mean that the product enables students to get higher scores than they would have without the product? Maybe they'll get higher scores if they are practicing types of questions that they are not supposed to see until the day of the test. But then the test will not be measuring what it is meant to measure, will it? The school is looking for a measurement of how well children respond to types of challenges they have not seen before. It is interesting that FCPS has made changes to the second grade test this year.

The tests are only one part of the selection process. Lots of kids are in AAP without having to engage in activities they've been asked not to do.

[Anonymous]

And THESE are the parents of the most brilliant, hard working children in FCPS. Bickering like juveniles. I hope our children grow up to be better adjusted adults than these thanks to their top notch education.

Not so. Where do you get your information? Or are you entering the spin room?

[Anonymous]

It is not a certainty that your kids are in AAP because of test prep for a second grade ability test. Maybe they're bright kids.

By "works," do you mean that the product enables students to get higher scores than they would have without the product? Maybe they'll get higher scores if they are practicing types of questions that they are not supposed to see until the day of the test. But then the test will not be measuring what it is meant to measure, will it? The school is looking for a measurement of how well children respond to types of challenges they have not seen before. It is interesting that FCPS has made changes to the second grade test this year. The tests are only one part of the selection process. Lots of kids are in AAP without having to engage in activities they've been asked not to do.

This will not make one iota of difference. The same kids will beat out the entitled kids every time. It's happening in every zip code in America. The efforts of the establishment reverse this trend to close this expanding gap will not work.

[Anonymous]

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And THESE are the parents of the most brilliant, hard working children in FCPS. Bickering like juveniles. I hope our children grow up to be better adjusted adults than these thanks to their top notch education.

Not so. Where do you get your information? Or are you entering the spin room?

I don't know if their children are really brilliant or hard working, just that these parents claim they are and are arguing over whether natural ability or hard work is superior. I was only commenting on how silly the back and forth on this thread has gotten.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

Thus AAP prep will not only just help your children get into a good school but it will also give them the necessary moral skills needed to be successful Washington D.C. bureaucrat / politician. It’s a win-win.

Wow. Interesting take.

As for me and my house... we'll stick with honesty and integrity.

I really love the biblical quote, missed on most here I suspect. Joshua 24:15.

Yes, thank you.

[Anonymous]

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

Thus AAP prep will not only just help your children get into a good school but it will also give them the necessary moral skills needed to be successful Washington D.C. bureaucrat / politician. It’s a win-win.

Wow. Interesting take.

As for me and my house... we'll stick with honesty and integrity.

I really love the biblical quote, missed on most here I suspect. Joshua 24:15.

I agree we'll stick with honesty and integrity. And there is nothing more emblematic of these core values for our children as preparation, prepping and working hard in their studies and school.

[Anonymous]

+1000

plagiarism and copying other students' work on exams, like the students recently caught at Harvard, is simply unnecessary with preparation and hard work.

[Anonymous]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/us/pew-study-tracks-success-of-children-of-immigrants.html?hpw&_r=1&


I wonder whether it is data from the Pew Institute, discussed in today's NY Times, that has the Fairfax and Montgomery County communities all riled up. If the education leadership is as riled up as the community perhaps this explains why each is trying to change the rules of the game they a losing. Montgomery County to eliminate pathways for acceleration and Fairfax to change their screeening examinations. While the "rule changes of the educational game" by the waning establishment may be designed to hurt the already highly performing student segment and help the rest (close the expanding achievement and performance gap); there will be other unintended consequences of the dumb-down approach to the regional economy.

The date from the Pew Institute does not substantiate these high flying performers cheat (at least any more than others), rather they work harder and have different priorities in life.

[Anonymous]

OO, the link is an article of adult children of immigrants. I don't see fairfax or montgomery education changes. Can you please re-send?

[Anonymous]

The Pew study holds true for all the ages from 1 day to adulthood in every zip code in America. The data is ubiquitous and indisputable regarding the educational performance of American Immigrants and their children (first and second generation). Keep reading the boards or local newspapers and journals for the information. There's plenty on hand.

[Anonymous]

You may want to start a different thread for this information. This thread is about the practice of showing children ability test question types that the children are not supposed to see until the day of the test.

[Anonymous]

You may want to start a different thread for this information. This thread is about the practice of showing children ability test question types that the children are not supposed to see until the day of the test.

Wrong. The thread is about "prepping/scamming the Cogat" and has taking many directions.

Thanks for the advise though. I am not starting a different thread.