Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your poor children.

in AAP and thriving

[Anonymous]

I think its interesting that the most vocal pro-cheating/test-prepping are obviously not native-born Americans.

[Anonymous]

How about the kid that preps, gets into AAP, and then gets to do something "truly educational" for the next 7 years? He has better teachers, more challenging assignments, and an enriching environment full of all those kids "doings something truly educational". Before you say he will not do well, or be overwhelmed in AAP having prepped to get in, save it, as it is an academic program where studying and good work practices (like the one's he learned while prepping) are all that is needed for a kid in the 85%+ percentile to do well. I know, I have two kids who barely made it in the program and both were prepped.

Bravo. My family did the same. Best choice we ever made and our child is thriving in AAP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

How about the kid that preps, gets into AAP, and then gets to do something "truly educational" for the next 7 years? He has better teachers, more challenging assignments, and an enriching environment full of all those kids "doings something truly educational". Before you say he will not do well, or be overwhelmed in AAP having prepped to get in, save it, as it is an academic program where studying and good work practices (like the one's he learned while prepping) are all that is needed for a kid in the 85%+ percentile to do well. I know, I have two kids who barely made it in the program and both were prepped.

Bravo. My family did the same. Best choice we ever made and our child is thriving in AAP.

This actually is a great reason why there should be no separate AAP but just grouping by subject each quarter or so at the base schools. Give the 85% kid a chance to thrive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The reality is that there are businesses that make money providing test prep. They would like to start working with their customers at an early age, so they would like parents to send their first and second graders to prep for the ability tests that are only a part of the AAP selection process. And some children will do better on these tests because they have practiced and practiced questions ahead of time that they were supposed to see for the first time on test day.
But the teachers still fill out the GBRS so that the committee will get a view of how the child behaves in the classroom on a day to day basis. Yes, some borderline students will be in the program who would be fine in a regular classroom, but overall, I don't think test prep will boost an average child's score to the highly or profoundly gifted level. I do think that those who make money selling test prep would like you to think it can make an average child a genius.

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

This is America, the land of the free and free enterprise. What do you have against businesses making money providing test prep? There are businesses in America BIG money off sex, alcohol, guns and tobacco. These businesses, too, start working with their customers at an early age. All above board, legal and good for your economy.

Fault the schools for the bureaucratic leaders for the emergence of tracking (prison sentence for young and developing students) tests.

And the GODS fill out GBRS forms that tell the rea truth. Alice do you really think teachers are gods and are not susceptible to ass kissing and preconceived notions, not to mention gifts (bribes) howered to them from parents like yourself. I'm sure you never have experienced a teacher like this.

Kids study hard, work hard, prepare and take as many practise tests and exercises as your heart delights. Alice in Wonderland is on drugs.

I think free enterprise is great and I also think that consumers should know what they are spending their hard-earned money on. Lots of businesses sell products that are not worthwhile, so consumers have the right to do research before spending money. If a product is not worth their money then their money is wasted. Even if I were the richest person on earth, I would not want to waste my money. This particular product (test prep for the cognitive ability tests) has been noted by the school system as one they prefer parents not use.

No one has referred to teachers as gods, but they have the experience of seeing many students over time and can note which students learn new subject matter quickly and easily. More than one teacher fills out the GBRS so more than one set of (admittedly human) eyes has observed the students.

Do you really think that a lot of children read this board? Parents seem to be the main users of this board.

[Anonymous]

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

Thus AAP prep will not only just help your children get into a good school but it will also give them the necessary moral skills needed to be successful Washington D.C. bureaucrat / politician. It’s a win-win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

Thus AAP prep will not only just help your children get into a good school but it will also give them the necessary moral skills needed to be successful Washington D.C. bureaucrat / politician. It’s a win-win.

Wow. Interesting take.

As for me and my house... we'll stick with honesty and integrity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The reality is that there are businesses that make money providing test prep. They would like to start working with their customers at an early age, so they would like parents to send their first and second graders to prep for the ability tests that are only a part of the AAP selection process. And some children will do better on these tests because they have practiced and practiced questions ahead of time that they were supposed to see for the first time on test day.
But the teachers still fill out the GBRS so that the committee will get a view of how the child behaves in the classroom on a day to day basis. Yes, some borderline students will be in the program who would be fine in a regular classroom, but overall, I don't think test prep will boost an average child's score to the highly or profoundly gifted level. I do think that those who make money selling test prep would like you to think it can make an average child a genius.

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

This is America, the land of the free and free enterprise. What do you have against businesses making money providing test prep? There are businesses in America BIG money off sex, alcohol, guns and tobacco. These businesses, too, start working with their customers at an early age. All above board, legal and good for your economy.

Fault the schools for the bureaucratic leaders for the emergence of tracking (prison sentence for young and developing students) tests.

And the GODS fill out GBRS forms that tell the rea truth. Alice do you really think teachers are gods and are not susceptible to ass kissing and preconceived notions, not to mention gifts (bribes) howered to them from parents like yourself. I'm sure you never have experienced a teacher like this.

Kids study hard, work hard, prepare and take as many practise tests and exercises as your heart delights. Alice in Wonderland is on drugs.

I think free enterprise is great and I also think that consumers should know what they are spending their hard-earned money on. Lots of businesses sell products that are not worthwhile, so consumers have the right to do research before spending money. If a product is not worth their money then their money is wasted. Even if I were the richest person on earth, I would not want to waste my money. This particular product (test prep for the cognitive ability tests) has been noted by the school system as one they prefer parents not use.

No one has referred to teachers as gods, but they have the experience of seeing many students over time and can note which students learn new subject matter quickly and easily. More than one teacher fills out the GBRS so more than one set of (admittedly human) eyes has observed the students.

Do you really think that a lot of children read this board? Parents seem to be the main users of this board.

You are confusing two notions, I can say from experience with two kids, the product does work and worth every penny I paid for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

Thus AAP prep will not only just help your children get into a good school but it will also give them the necessary moral skills needed to be successful Washington D.C. bureaucrat / politician. It’s a win-win.

Wow. Interesting take.

As for me and my house... we'll stick with honesty and integrity.

...and state schools and middle management careers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

(Eventually these children will realize that their parents were encouraging them to do something the schools had asked them not to do. That realization will have some affect on the child's developing sense of integrity and honesty.)

Thus AAP prep will not only just help your children get into a good school but it will also give them the necessary moral skills needed to be successful Washington D.C. bureaucrat / politician. It’s a win-win.

Wow. Interesting take.

As for me and my house... we'll stick with honesty and integrity.

...and state schools and middle management careers.

And that about sums up everything that is wrong with this place.

[Anonymous]

Remember the story of the tortoise and the hare. Some self-acclaimed, brilliant moms need to read this to their naturally, gifted, children who refuse to do homework and prefer to go on vacation. While you sleep, the tortoise will kick ass at the end of the day. And we know you all don't like that and will argue till you are blue in the gill; the tortoise cheated.

[Anonymous]

I think its interesting that the most vocal pro-cheating/test-prepping are obviously not native-born Americans.

Quite, correct. Unlike you, I am not an indigenous hare from West Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember the story of the tortoise and the hare. Some self-acclaimed, brilliant moms need to read this to their naturally, gifted, children who refuse to do homework and prefer to go on vacation. While you sleep, the tortoise will kick ass at the end of the day. And we know you all don't like that and will argue till you are blue in the gill; the tortoise cheated.

Lots of bright kids do their homework and work hard every day. The highly intelligent hard-working student will be ahead of the average hard-working student every time. Most hares are not like the one in the story and can beat a tortoise any day.

[Anonymous]

What's wrong with West Virginia? Tortoises and hares? This thread is descending into madness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember the story of the tortoise and the hare. Some self-acclaimed, brilliant moms need to read this to their naturally, gifted, children who refuse to do homework and prefer to go on vacation. While you sleep, the tortoise will kick ass at the end of the day. And we know you all don't like that and will argue till you are blue in the gill; the tortoise cheated.

Lots of bright kids do their homework and work hard every day. The highly intelligent hard-working student will be ahead of the average hard-working student every time. Most hares are not like the one in the story and can beat a tortoise any day.

And THESE are the parents of the most brilliant, hard working children in FCPS. Bickering like juveniles. I hope our children grow up to be better adjusted adults than these thanks to their top notch education.