Yet another post about 5-6 year old boys in the women's changing/bathroom at the pool.

[Anonymous]

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I'm done talking about this.

Good. It's about time you shut your crazy self up. If you bring your 8 yo son into the women's locker room and I am there, I will read you the riot act right then, and there and see to it that your pool privileges are revoked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the people who say that the odds are that a child isn't going to be molested when unaccompanied in a locker room. The odds are that you can swim in an outdoor pool while holding a metal rod in your hands and not be struck by lightning. The odds are that you can drive your car without wearing your seat belt and still live. The odds are you can ride a motorcycle without wearing a helmet and still live. But would you really want to do those things? Better safe than sorry!

To evaluate risk you need to understand how likely something is. You, or another pp, keep saying there is a 1 in 100 chance of a kid changing in the men's room being molested. In 2011 there were 26 people who died being struck by lightening. There were no reports of kids molested while changing in pool locker rooms while their moms waited outside.

How do you know that there weren't any cases of a child being molested while a mother waited outside? Really, how do you know that? Are you God? Fact, you don't know that. Also a fact, there have indeed been cases of children being molested or killed while a mother waited outside. Don't believe that? Look it up. It's been reported on reputable news shows.

But some of you think it's preferable that a child be harmed than to have the child see your daughters "boobies" for a second. Because we all know how harmful it is to see a pair of breasts.

Maybe there are some Jerry Sandusky's lurking on here that want to make sure that little boys are still sent into men's locker rooms?

So you'd be fine if you were forced to get naked in front of your male coworkers and let them stare because they're just curious?

And again, it's not all about your kid. I don't think your kid will be harmed by seeing my naked daughter. I think my daughter will be harmed! Your son doesn't get to violate my daughter. Follow the damn rules.

There's no comparison between me being nude in front of a man that's not my husband when there's no reason or benefit to be, and anyone of any age being briefly seen by a small child in the name of protecting that child. If (And this is ridiculous) my child would be safe because I was nude in front of a man other than my husband, then you damn well bet that I'd be willing to be seen nude by that man.

My daughters are nude in that very same locker room that my son is in. And it wouldn't bother me at all if another woman brought her little boy into the locker room while my daughters were showering or changing. And it wouldn't bother them either.

Do you not take your children to the doctor because she or he may be embarrassed by being seen nude by the doctor?

Trust me, your daughter would not be HARMED by a little boy seeing her nude in the locker room. She may not like it, but she would NOT be HARMED by it. And like I said, my son does NOT stare at anyone when he's in the locker room with us. Many of you keep saying what if a little boy saw one of his female classmates nude while he was in the locker room. Well, that already happened with my son and one of the little girls from his class last year, and her mother, and it wasn't an issue for any of us involved. My son, daughters and myself all stood there showering and talking to the little girl and her mom, and no one cared at all.

I'm done talking about this.

That's a shame. Because you haven't explained why you refuse to pick a course of action that protects your son AND other people's daughters, like having your son change at home or in the car, waiting until your DH can come with, or choosing pools with family changing rooms. Care to explain before you storm off in a huff?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the people who say that the odds are that a child isn't going to be molested when unaccompanied in a locker room. The odds are that you can swim in an outdoor pool while holding a metal rod in your hands and not be struck by lightning. The odds are that you can drive your car without wearing your seat belt and still live. The odds are you can ride a motorcycle without wearing a helmet and still live. But would you really want to do those things? Better safe than sorry!

To evaluate risk you need to understand how likely something is. You, or another pp, keep saying there is a 1 in 100 chance of a kid changing in the men's room being molested. In 2011 there were 26 people who died being struck by lightening. There were no reports of kids molested while changing in pool locker rooms while their moms waited outside.

How do you know that there weren't any cases of a child being molested while a mother waited outside? Really, how do you know that? Are you God? Fact, you don't know that. Also a fact, there have indeed been cases of children being molested or killed while a mother waited outside. Don't believe that? Look it up. It's been reported on reputable news shows.

But some of you think it's preferable that a child be harmed than to have the child see your daughters "boobies" for a second. Because we all know how harmful it is to see a pair of breasts.

Maybe there are some Jerry Sandusky's lurking on here that want to make sure that little boys are still sent into men's locker rooms?

So you'd be fine if you were forced to get naked in front of your male coworkers and let them stare because they're just curious?

And again, it's not all about your kid. I don't think your kid will be harmed by seeing my naked daughter. I think my daughter will be harmed! Your son doesn't get to violate my daughter. Follow the damn rules.

There's no comparison between me being nude in front of a man that's not my husband when there's no reason or benefit to be, and anyone of any age being briefly seen by a small child in the name of protecting that child. If (And this is ridiculous) my child would be safe because I was nude in front of a man other than my husband, then you damn well bet that I'd be willing to be seen nude by that man.

My daughters are nude in that very same locker room that my son is in. And it wouldn't bother me at all if another woman brought her little boy into the locker room while my daughters were showering or changing. And it wouldn't bother them either.

Do you not take your children to the doctor because she or he may be embarrassed by being seen nude by the doctor?

Trust me, your daughter would not be HARMED by a little boy seeing her nude in the locker room. She may not like it, but she would NOT be HARMED by it. And like I said, my son does NOT stare at anyone when he's in the locker room with us. Many of you keep saying what if a little boy saw one of his female classmates nude while he was in the locker room. Well, that already happened with my son and one of the little girls from his class last year, and her mother, and it wasn't an issue for any of us involved. My son, daughters and myself all stood there showering and talking to the little girl and her mom, and no one cared at all.

I'm done talking about this.

That's a shame. Because you haven't explained why you refuse to pick a course of action that protects your son AND other people's daughters, like having your son change at home or in the car, waiting until your DH can come with, or choosing pools with family changing rooms. Care to explain before you storm off in a huff?

Of course she won't explain, PP. That's because she's all about herself and what is good for her family and convenient for her. There is no reason her little boy can't wait until her gets home to change. He doesn't need to be in the girls' room.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the people who say that the odds are that a child isn't going to be molested when unaccompanied in a locker room. The odds are that you can swim in an outdoor pool while holding a metal rod in your hands and not be struck by lightning. The odds are that you can drive your car without wearing your seat belt and still live. The odds are you can ride a motorcycle without wearing a helmet and still live. But would you really want to do those things? Better safe than sorry!

To evaluate risk you need to understand how likely something is. You, or another pp, keep saying there is a 1 in 100 chance of a kid changing in the men's room being molested. In 2011 there were 26 people who died being struck by lightening. There were no reports of kids molested while changing in pool locker rooms while their moms waited outside.

How do you know that there weren't any cases of a child being molested while a mother waited outside? Really, how do you know that? Are you God? Fact, you don't know that. Also a fact, there have indeed been cases of children being molested or killed while a mother waited outside. Don't believe that? Look it up. It's been reported on reputable news shows.

But some of you think it's preferable that a child be harmed than to have the child see your daughters "boobies" for a second. Because we all know how harmful it is to see a pair of breasts.

Maybe there are some Jerry Sandusky's lurking on here that want to make sure that little boys are still sent into men's locker rooms?

So you'd be fine if you were forced to get naked in front of your male coworkers and let them stare because they're just curious?

And again, it's not all about your kid. I don't think your kid will be harmed by seeing my naked daughter. I think my daughter will be harmed! Your son doesn't get to violate my daughter. Follow the damn rules.

There's no comparison between me being nude in front of a man that's not my husband when there's no reason or benefit to be, and anyone of any age being briefly seen by a small child in the name of protecting that child. If (And this is ridiculous) my child would be safe because I was nude in front of a man other than my husband, then you damn well bet that I'd be willing to be seen nude by that man.

My daughters are nude in that very same locker room that my son is in. And it wouldn't bother me at all if another woman brought her little boy into the locker room while my daughters were showering or changing. And it wouldn't bother them either.

Do you not take your children to the doctor because she or he may be embarrassed by being seen nude by the doctor?

Trust me, your daughter would not be HARMED by a little boy seeing her nude in the locker room. She may not like it, but she would NOT be HARMED by it. And like I said, my son does NOT stare at anyone when he's in the locker room with us. Many of you keep saying what if a little boy saw one of his female classmates nude while he was in the locker room. Well, that already happened with my son and one of the little girls from his class last year, and her mother, and it wasn't an issue for any of us involved. My son, daughters and myself all stood there showering and talking to the little girl and her mom, and no one cared at all.

I'm done talking about this.

That's a shame. Because you haven't explained why you refuse to pick a course of action that protects your son AND other people's daughters, like having your son change at home or in the car, waiting until your DH can come with, or choosing pools with family changing rooms. Care to explain before you storm off in a huff?

OK, I'll answer this last one and then I'm done.

I have already posted that there are only two ways into the pool and back out again. One way is through the men's locker room, and the other is through the women's locker room. Even the staff have to enter and exit through the locker rooms.

I could have my son put on his swimsuit at home. That would be fine. But he has to come in with my daughters and I while we shower and then put on our swimsuits. The pool has rather strict rules that they do enforce that everyone is required to take a nude soap shower in the locker room before entering the pool. They are far stricter about that than they are age limits of children being in opposite gender locker rooms. I know that because they have been known on many occasions to have spotted someone trying to skip the pre-swim shower, and instructed them to go back, get undressed and shower, or leave. I know that on more than one occasion an employee of the pool has seen my son exiting the women's locker room on his way to the pool, and no one has ever said a word about it.

And whereas it would be fine with me if my son arrived to the pool already in his swimsuit, he has to change out of his swimsuit in the locker room, dry off, and get dressed again.

I know that no one is going to change my mind or actions, and it would appear that I'm not going to change your opinions. Thank God that it would appear that none of you go to the same pool that I take my children to. No one at that pool seems to have any problem with a little boy being in the women's locker room. I have to wonder if a lot of the posts being made complaining about my son are being made by just the same 2 or 3 people over and over?

End of conversation. For me, anyway.

[Anonymous]

Nope. I haven't posted in a while and I would assuredly call you out on it and complain to the pool management and ask for your privileges to be revoked.

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Anonymous wrote:To the people who say that the odds are that a child isn't going to be molested when unaccompanied in a locker room. The odds are that you can swim in an outdoor pool while holding a metal rod in your hands and not be struck by lightning. The odds are that you can drive your car without wearing your seat belt and still live. The odds are you can ride a motorcycle without wearing a helmet and still live. But would you really want to do those things? Better safe than sorry!

To evaluate risk you need to understand how likely something is. You, or another pp, keep saying there is a 1 in 100 chance of a kid changing in the men's room being molested. In 2011 there were 26 people who died being struck by lightening. There were no reports of kids molested while changing in pool locker rooms while their moms waited outside.

How do you know that there weren't any cases of a child being molested while a mother waited outside? Really, how do you know that? Are you God? Fact, you don't know that. Also a fact, there have indeed been cases of children being molested or killed while a mother waited outside. Don't believe that? Look it up. It's been reported on reputable news shows.

But some of you think it's preferable that a child be harmed than to have the child see your daughters "boobies" for a second. Because we all know how harmful it is to see a pair of breasts.

Maybe there are some Jerry Sandusky's lurking on here that want to make sure that little boys are still sent into men's locker rooms?

Sandusky molested boys who were between 10 and 15. Are you going to let your son go in the locker room at 15?

Up to 10, yes. Up to 15, no. A 15 year old is much better equipped to fight off someone than an 8 or 10 year old boy. My 15 year old daughter is just as strong as I am, and she's a girl, not a 15 year old boy.

I am (sadly) imagining this mom preparing her son to run the gauntlet of molesters that she believes are waiting for him in the men's locker room. "Son, you must be strong, you must fight hard. It is a room of men all of whom want to attack you, to abuse you, to harm you. Kick, punch, fight..and you will make it out the other side. You can't attempt this for many more yours young grasshopper as you must build strength to fight the enemy that awaits you there."

It is also bizarre that she thinks that all the other men who simply sit as spectators watching as men grab and molest her son and that it is only he son's brute strength that can save him.

Her hatred of men and her skewed perspective on life are so damaging for this poor kid. Imagine growing up knowing your mom thinks you are destined to be a pedophile who can't be trusted to not harm children should they wander within your reach in a public space with others around.

[Anonymous]

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That's a shame. Because you haven't explained why you refuse to pick a course of action that protects your son AND other people's daughters, like having your son change at home or in the car, waiting until your DH can come with, or choosing pools with family changing rooms. Care to explain before you storm off in a huff?

OK, I'll answer this last one and then I'm done.

I have already posted that there are only two ways into the pool and back out again. One way is through the men's locker room, and the other is through the women's locker room. Even the staff have to enter and exit through the locker rooms.

I could have my son put on his swimsuit at home. That would be fine. But he has to come in with my daughters and I while we shower and then put on our swimsuits. The pool has rather strict rules that they do enforce that everyone is required to take a nude soap shower in the locker room before entering the pool. They are far stricter about that than they are age limits of children being in opposite gender locker rooms. I know that because they have been known on many occasions to have spotted someone trying to skip the pre-swim shower, and instructed them to go back, get undressed and shower, or leave. I know that on more than one occasion an employee of the pool has seen my son exiting the women's locker room on his way to the pool, and no one has ever said a word about it.

And whereas it would be fine with me if my son arrived to the pool already in his swimsuit, he has to change out of his swimsuit in the locker room, dry off, and get dressed again.

I know that no one is going to change my mind or actions, and it would appear that I'm not going to change your opinions. Thank God that it would appear that none of you go to the same pool that I take my children to. No one at that pool seems to have any problem with a little boy being in the women's locker room. I have to wonder if a lot of the posts being made complaining about my son are being made by just the same 2 or 3 people over and over?

End of conversation. For me, anyway.

I understand, but there are still other options open to you. Off the top o fmy head, you could wait until your DH can join you. You could make sure your DS brings a friend. You could ask one of the desk attendants or lifeguards to walk your son through the locker room. You could talk to the pool board and ask for a unisex entrance and permission to have your son shower at home. You could change pools to a pool with a family locker room. And this is just what I've thought of without coffee in 2 minutes. The point is, I'm not saying you're right or wrong for feeling that your son is in danger in a mens room. But I am saying that there are many, MANY other choices you could be making that don't infringe on the privacy of young girls and break pool rules. It seems that your argument that safety and security trumps inconvenience only applies when it's your kid.

And I don't know about hte other posters, but I'm new in this thread. So it's not just them.

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This is pretty much out experience. The park house is a simple cinder block building, just the two locker rooms, the only entrance to the pool area is in the locker room and through the communal shower. No partitions, just shower heads along the wall. And on the wall is posted the notice: All patrons must take a nude soap shower before entering the pool area. There are no posted rules about age limits for bringing kids of the opposite sex although the general understanding is about 4, although it is obvious that many of them have been twice that, which I do not have a problem with as long as they are behaved and aren't hanging around forever. The women and older girls seem more concerned about possible critical attitudes of the other women of their physiques than whether a boy sees them. Nobody minds my son (6) there, and no one has minded when my husband brings our daughter (7)
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Anonymous wrote:To the people who say that the odds are that a child isn't going to be molested when unaccompanied in a locker room. The odds are that you can swim in an outdoor pool while holding a metal rod in your hands and not be struck by lightning. The odds are that you can drive your car without wearing your seat belt and still live. The odds are you can ride a motorcycle without wearing a helmet and still live. But would you really want to do those things? Better safe than sorry!

To evaluate risk you need to understand how likely something is. You, or another pp, keep saying there is a 1 in 100 chance of a kid changing in the men's room being molested. In 2011 there were 26 people who died being struck by lightening. There were no reports of kids molested while changing in pool locker rooms while their moms waited outside.

How do you know that there weren't any cases of a child being molested while a mother waited outside? Really, how do you know that? Are you God? Fact, you don't know that. Also a fact, there have indeed been cases of children being molested or killed while a mother waited outside. Don't believe that? Look it up. It's been reported on reputable news shows.

But some of you think it's preferable that a child be harmed than to have the child see your daughters "boobies" for a second. Because we all know how harmful it is to see a pair of breasts.

Maybe there are some Jerry Sandusky's lurking on here that want to make sure that little boys are still sent into men's locker rooms?

So you'd be fine if you were forced to get naked in front of your male coworkers and let them stare because they're just curious?

And again, it's not all about your kid. I don't think your kid will be harmed by seeing my naked daughter. I think my daughter will be harmed! Your son doesn't get to violate my daughter. Follow the damn rules.

There's no comparison between me being nude in front of a man that's not my husband when there's no reason or benefit to be, and anyone of any age being briefly seen by a small child in the name of protecting that child. If (And this is ridiculous) my child would be safe because I was nude in front of a man other than my husband, then you damn well bet that I'd be willing to be seen nude by that man.

My daughters are nude in that very same locker room that my son is in. And it wouldn't bother me at all if another woman brought her little boy into the locker room while my daughters were showering or changing. And it wouldn't bother them either.

Do you not take your children to the doctor because she or he may be embarrassed by being seen nude by the doctor?

Trust me, your daughter would not be HARMED by a little boy seeing her nude in the locker room. She may not like it, but she would NOT be HARMED by it. And like I said, my son does NOT stare at anyone when he's in the locker room with us. Many of you keep saying what if a little boy saw one of his female classmates nude while he was in the locker room. Well, that already happened with my son and one of the little girls from his class last year, and her mother, and it wasn't an issue for any of us involved. My son, daughters and myself all stood there showering and talking to the little girl and her mom, and no one cared at all.

I'm done talking about this.

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Anonymous wrote:15 and 12 is TOO OLD for your daughters to be okay with boys seeing them naked. They should have an innate sense of modesty that extends to their brothers. Sorry- that is even creepier than any of the other weirdness going on.

It's not BOYS. It's one boy, who happens to be their little brother, who is still several years away from reaching puberty. They dress quite modestly around all other males, and their never nude around their father since he is an ADULT of the opposite sex. Like I said, in the i like to see my sones cute little penis and it feels so good in my pussy and he likes it and he allways want to shower to lick my pussy not too distant past they were even choosing to take their little brother into the shower or bathtub with them every once in a while. It's nothing that he hasn't seen before. Things will change in another year or two.

The people complaining about this are probably the same immature ones that refused to take a shower in gym class in school, and then were teased for it?

And you understand that the locker room is not your home and the other girls/women are not your son's family, correct? I would most certainly report you if you were in my pool's locker room.

My son is 8, not 18.

Like I said, the overwhelming majority of the women and girls in the locker room seem to be perfectly comfortable with a little boy being in there. I've never seen one person seem to be more than at most mildly uncomfortable while they're showering with my son in there, and even those people seem to be very few in numbers.

If it doesn't bother those women and girls, why should it bother those of you that are probably not even in the same locker room as my son???

[Anonymous]

Too young, keep him with you. I'm worried more from a child predator point of view.

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It wouldn't bother me. Would be a way older kid before I feel he didn't belong. 13?

[Anonymous]

wow just read more of this thread. I'd be fine with a boy till about 13 seeing my young daughter. Maybe if she was 11 and he 12 it would be a little weird for them? But I used to swim naked at age 8 with my parents friends kids of similar age and different genders. It wasn't weird or uncomfortable at all. Course my parents were hippes so nobody was uptight about their bodies.

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me again. won't the boy tell us when he is too old? It might be 9 or 10 or 11, but won't he tell us when he doesn't want to go in the in the woman's locker room. And won't you too have a gut feeling? Right now i walk around naked all the time (son almost 4). At some point I'll stop when it becomes uncomfortable for us. And that age is probably different for different boys.

[Anonymous]

why is the naked human form supposed to be scandalous? everyone just relax...

[Anonymous]

What pool requires "nude soap showers"? Was this written by a perverted troll?