Thursday Nov 20 BOE Discussion on Boundaries and Regional Program Model

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

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Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

The interests will be similar.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

Some of the programs being offered were not popular and removed.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

They need to ask students. If it’s not offered students cannot request it. At our school meetings parents ask and the answer it no.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

They need to ask students. If it’s not offered students cannot request it. At our school meetings parents ask and the answer it no.

Again, they're talking about existing local programs continuing if there is interest.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

They need to ask students. If it’s not offered students cannot request it. At our school meetings parents ask and the answer it no.

Again, they're talking about existing local programs continuing if there is interest.

Again, they don’t ask then claim not interest. Be real.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

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Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

They need to ask students. If it’s not offered students cannot request it. At our school meetings parents ask and the answer it no.

Again, they're talking about existing local programs continuing if there is interest.

Again, they don’t ask then claim not interest. Be real.

They ask students every year to request courses for the next year. If a program's courses don't have enough interest, that program is likely to be discontinued.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

They need to ask students. If it’s not offered students cannot request it. At our school meetings parents ask and the answer it no.

Again, they're talking about existing local programs continuing if there is interest.

Again, they don’t ask then claim not interest. Be real.

They ask students every year to request courses for the next year. If a program's courses don't have enough interest, that program is likely to be discontinued.

But there is no exploration of what programs and classes are of interest.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

They need to ask students. If it’s not offered students cannot request it. At our school meetings parents ask and the answer it no.

Again, they're talking about existing local programs continuing if there is interest.

Again, they don’t ask then claim not interest. Be real.

They ask students every year to request courses for the next year. If a program's courses don't have enough interest, that program is likely to be discontinued.

What are you talking about. We’ve been at five schools and never once’s asked about interest. It’s take what’s offered.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

They need to ask students. If it’s not offered students cannot request it. At our school meetings parents ask and the answer it no.

Again, they're talking about existing local programs continuing if there is interest.

Again, they don’t ask then claim not interest. Be real.

They ask students every year to request courses for the next year. If a program's courses don't have enough interest, that program is likely to be discontinued.

What are you talking about. We’ve been at five schools and never once’s asked about interest. It’s take what’s offered.

Students submit course requests during registration. That's how they determine interest.

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Anonymous wrote:Btw an equity mindset would mean placing programs in schools that have gaps. Like if there are zero advanced science classes at a school, put a science program there.

They are doing the opposite. They are putting programs at schools that already have the classes. Then they proposing having certain kids from other schools get driven by their parents to their home school to take a bus to this school that already has these classes to take them.

Highlighted sentence is exactly the reason why SMCS was originally established at Blair. Wootton and Churchill kids sacrifice long bus ride for an excellent education, and kids living in DCC area also benefits from (Blair kids can freely take any magnet class as long as prerequisite is met and counselor approves). CO can move this program to Kennedy or Gaithersburg. It’ll still be excellent and filled with majority of W kids. They can add one more closer to Ws so to allow more access. Dismantling it completely and make 6…… that’s as crazy as it sounds like.

No.
Keep repeating that same lie, doesn't make it true.
The magnet was placed there to stem white flight.

DP I don't personally know the history of Blair's SMCS. That being said, if what you are saying is true, isn't putting criteria based academic programs at Whitman and BCC that are only reasonably accessible to families with their own transportation a way to promote White flight?

Whitman and BCC are not the only places that will have criteria based academic programs. STEM won't be at either places, for example.

On Thursday they proposed an interest based engineering program at BCC. It will not attract kids struggling in math. 75% of Black students and 86% of Latino students in MCPS are not proficient in high school math.

And the 14-25 percent who are will have a good program to apply to.

Of which fewer than half will be able to swing the commute, the majority will be stuck at a school where the high performing cohort has been hollowed out.

I think people are overestimating how many high performing students will even be interested in leaving their home schools to attend these half-formed, questionably staffed, unfunded, regional programs which don't even provide neighborhood bus routes.

They'll do it to access AP science courses that their home school doesn't offer.

All high schools will have AP science classes.

They don’t now. It’s doubtful.

which is why changes are underway

CO always caveats their statements about what every school will offer with "if there is interest". That is just a roundabout way of saying no, not every school will offer an AP physics class (much less three different types of AP physics). Just like right now.

If they cared about interests they’d ask the families

Yep. You can't know if there is interest in a course that isn't offered at all. They do not track interest and the program analysis has not involved any kind of survey of student interest in specific classes or programs. Nor have they suggested they intend to do so.

But the people responding will only have the beginning of an overlap with the programs. MCPS is longer than any cohort of parents.

So why do they talk about offering courses "if there is interest" if there is no way to track interest?

They're talking about schools' local programs continuing if there is interest, and they can gauge that from student course requests.

They need to ask students. If it’s not offered students cannot request it. At our school meetings parents ask and the answer it no.

Again, they're talking about existing local programs continuing if there is interest.

Again, they don’t ask then claim not interest. Be real.

They ask students every year to request courses for the next year. If a program's courses don't have enough interest, that program is likely to be discontinued.

What are you talking about. We’ve been at five schools and never once’s asked about interest. It’s take what’s offered.

You need to be proactive and request the courses- this is why some schools have more than others, the students and parents request them. DOn't complain if you don't put in the effort.