DC traffic cameras issued 3.3 MILLION tickets last year

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Is this like how we need National Guard troops on every single street corner because otherwise there will be places in this city where people are free to commit murder? Your logic is Trump-esque.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

So what is your solution? Traffic stops? Road design? If they die they die?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

So what is your solution? Traffic stops? Road design? If they die they die?

Yes, actual traffic stops by police with actual traffic tickets (remember those?) would be very helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

Logic is not your strong suit. There is plenty of evidence that traffic cameras reduce the incidence of crashes. Here are two studies for you to read:

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/speed-cameras-reduce-injury-crashes-in-maryland-county-iihs-study-shows
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1963295/

If you are interested, I am sure you can find others.

Your argument that speed cameras in DC are not working because DC is still suffering traffic deaths in spite of the cameras is - and I'm sorry to have to put it this way - rather stupid. If the traffic deaths were happening right in front of the cameras, you may have a point, but they're not and you don't.

The vast majority of streets in DC have no cameras and cameras cannot serve as a deterrent to speeding in places where there are no cameras. The other problem is that many drivers are allowed to keep accumulating fines with no discernable consequences.

The driver who killed three people in 2023 on Rock Creek Parkway, Nakita Walker, had accrued 40 camera tickets in D.C. worth $12,000 over a 10-month period (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/16/rock-creek-parkway-crash-suv-tickets/) and yet was still allowed on the road.

The driver who killed a pedestrian in Foxhall Village in 2024 had more than a dozen unpaid camera speeding tickets at the time of the fatal crash (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/). The U.S. Attorney's Office declined to prosecute that driver, so they are presumably still out there on the road racking up more speeding tickets and putting the rest of us at risk.

There are countless other accounts of pedestrians being hit by vehicles with huge amounts of outstanding camera tickets. You can read about them if you so choose here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/09/17/dc-child-struck-driver-tickets/

If you don't like pedestrians, cyclists, drivers, and passengers getting injured and even dying, you'd advocate for more speeding cameras and consequences for those who are caught speeding. Yet the only thing you seem interested in is removing speed cameras and absolving those who break the law from any consequences and so I must conclude that you have no concern whatsoever for the wellbeing and lives of other road users.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

So what is your solution? Traffic stops? Road design? If they die they die?

Do you worry about murders too? Because murders are way more common than dying in traffic accidents. Traffic deaths in this city are rare. They're also inevitable. If you're uncomfortable with that, maybe you should move. A small town might be more your speed.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

So what is your solution? Traffic stops? Road design? If they die they die?

Yes, actual traffic stops by police with actual traffic tickets (remember those?) would be very helpful.

+1000

You don't get to take cops out of traffic enforcement, and then complain about a lack of traffic enforcement. Looking at you Washington Area Bicyclist Association. It's like closing the IRS and then complaining about rich people not paying taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

So what is your solution? Traffic stops? Road design? If they die they die?

Do you worry about murders too? Because murders are way more common than dying in traffic accidents. Traffic deaths in this city are rare. They're also inevitable. If you're uncomfortable with that, maybe you should move. A small town might be more your speed.

Absolute nonsense. Helsinki, which has a population almost identical to DC's, just went a year without a single traffic death: https://www.politico.eu/article/helsinki-no-traffic-death-roads-eu-accident-finland-driving-transport/

Unlike solving murders, we know very well how to reduce fatal traffic accidents. Yet people continue to die needlessly because ghouls like you believe the convenience of your commute is more important than other people's lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

So what is your solution? Traffic stops? Road design? If they die they die?

Do you worry about murders too? Because murders are way more common than dying in traffic accidents. Traffic deaths in this city are rare. They're also inevitable. If you're uncomfortable with that, maybe you should move. A small town might be more your speed.

Absolute nonsense. Helsinki, which has a population almost identical to DC's, just went a year without a single traffic death: https://www.politico.eu/article/helsinki-no-traffic-death-roads-eu-accident-finland-driving-transport/

Unlike solving murders, we know very well how to reduce fatal traffic accidents. Yet people continue to die needlessly because ghouls like you believe the convenience of your commute is more important than other people's lives.

This is obviously untrue. Nothing the city has done in the past decade has made an iota of difference in the incidence of traffic deaths. Here's the number of deaths caused by speeding drivers in DC:

2023: 22
2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 12
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11

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Sounds like we need a reminder that "Vision Zero" can never be achieved in DC because it's already killed one person.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like we need a reminder that "Vision Zero" can never be achieved in DC because it's already killed one person.

Vision Zero is designed to be impossible so the car haters can always demand more

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Car apologists lamenting that traffic deaths are the inevitable price we have to pay like Charlie Kirk lamenting that gun deaths are the inevitable price we have to pay...

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

Logic is not your strong suit. There is plenty of evidence that traffic cameras reduce the incidence of crashes. Here are two studies for you to read:

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/speed-cameras-reduce-injury-crashes-in-maryland-county-iihs-study-shows
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1963295/

If you are interested, I am sure you can find others.

I'm sure that's true, but that's not what happened in DC. We replaced actual enforcement with traffic cameras, which are two variables, not one. That's the issue I have with the way cameras are used in DC. Yes, they have their place in a road safety program, but relying exclusively on them in the absence of real enforcement is what I and many others are concerned about.

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Anonymous wrote:Car apologists lamenting that traffic deaths are the inevitable price we have to pay like Charlie Kirk lamenting that gun deaths are the inevitable price we have to pay...

The number of people who die in this city in traffic accidents is tiny. We have more important things to worry about.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

Listing this without listing data on accidents or fatalities isn’t that useful.
Traffic accidents, injuries, and fatalities are FAR higher in ward 7 than 3. This isn’t the racist “gotcha” that you think it is.

Where's the evidence that traffic cameras reduce accidents? DC has increasing ticketing by almost 10 times. Where's the corresponding reduction in traffic deaths?

The evidence was provided to you several pages back. But you reject it because it destroys your thesis. You are this website’s most boring broken record.

No one has provided any evidence. That's the issue.

If there were evidence, it would be obvious by now. The city has increased ticketing by nearly 1000 percent over the past decade, and issues enough tickets each year to hit every driver in the city multiple times, and yet accident rates are no better than they were 10 years ago.

it's not just that handing out a billion traffic tickets isn't making a difference, it's literally everything dot is doing isn't making a difference.

Another factor is that, during COVID people started driving through DC like bats out of hell. Dialing that back requires significant action.

I'll take things that never happened for $200, Alex.

The number of speeding related deaths in DC is pretty much the same every single year since forever.

Where in the world do you actually live?

Almost all traffic deaths are caused by speed, regardless of whether speeding is listed as the "primary cause" by the attending officer or not. I believe the physics behind this have been explained to you many times over the past few years, but yet you continue to peddle nonsense.

That is not true. There's a whole range of reasons for traffic deaths. Typically about one-third involve speeding.

I trust that you understand the distinction between speed and speeding even if you pretend not to.

A driver can veer off I-95, hit a barricade at 70mph, and die. Speeding was not a factor in the crash, but speed sure as he was.

But we're talking about DC after all and there are only a handful of DC roads where the speed limit exceeds 25mph. Impacts at 25mph or less are rarely fatal, but the probability of a road user dying as a result of a crash increases markedly at speeds above that. It is thus highly probable that speeding was a factor contributing to any fatalities that occur on roads with speed limits of 25mph or less.

Yeah, that's like saying leaving your home is a contributing factor to traffic fatalities because none of the fatalities would have happened if people had just stayed home.

What the hell is this nonsense? You sound like the kind of person who would argue that short skirts cause sexual assault.

Pedestrians should have the right to walk down the street or - heaven forbid - cross the street without having their lives threatened by those who speed. whether those drivers are focused on the road, actively texting, staring at their Apple Play screen, or whistling Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah of their a$&holes.

And the DC government has a responsibility to uphold the safety of its residents and those visiting the city. Which it does by using speed cameras to deter speeding.

If you need evidence of the difference that speed cameras make, Google “James Evert Anderson”. James was a 16 year old who lived in Kensington, MD. He was killed on Sunday while crossing University Boulevard West. There was a speed camera at the location, which was recently removed. One local resident reports that, in the absence of the camera, drivers regularly speed at “50 or 60 on a 30 mph road”. Had drivers stuck to the speed limit, James Evert Anderson would still be alive today.

The only problem, as others have mentioned, is that there aren’t enough speed cameras. DC has about 8,000 city blocks and less than 500 speed cameras, so drivers are free to speed across 99.9% of the city without any plausible risk of being sanctioned for their speeding. That is just nuts.

Putting traffic cameras everywhere, giving everyone a ticket for everything, and making traffic a nightmare has not done anything at all to reduce traffic deaths. Look at the data.

Logic is not your strong suit. There is plenty of evidence that traffic cameras reduce the incidence of crashes. Here are two studies for you to read:

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/speed-cameras-reduce-injury-crashes-in-maryland-county-iihs-study-shows
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1963295/

If you are interested, I am sure you can find others.


These studies are a joke. Seriously. Barcelona? From 20 years ago?