When is the plan for new HS programs coming out?

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.

There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.

Which school are you talking about? Einstein has AP Bio, AP Chem, APES, AP Phys, AP Calc BC, AP Stats, AP Lang, AP Lit, AP Gov, AP USH, AP World…. That seems like advanced classes to me. No multivariable that is true but saying a school doesn’t offer advanced classes when it offers all these plus IB is not true. Do you mean a different school?

There is no ap bio or chem. There is no multi variable or linear algebra. There are zero science ap. Two science teachers left this year.

Which school?

Einstein.

Oh interesting. So their website says that they offer all the AP science classes. That is not reality?

You have to look at the course guide for that year not the website. No it’s not true. We looked at the website when picking it for our first kid and it was misleading. They don’t offer a lot of what they say they do. Principal says he picks and chooses not to. He claims not enough interest but the guidance counselor’s actively discourage kids from taking advanced math and science except foreign language which they push.

You should bring this up to your district rep and the BOE, particularly in light of the program analysis. It has repeatedly and continues to be noted that the availability of courses for students is not equitable and not necessarily a lack of interest by students. Schools choose which course they are going to offer without any survey to the student body and often no survey to teachers about where interest lies. In fact, if you present students with the entire course catalog of MCPS many students would be surprised that courses are offered in other places. Its not necessary lack of interest, its lack of awareness and lack of preparation.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these are the regions:

BCC
Blair
Einstein
Northwood
Whitman

Churchill
WJ
Wheaton
Woodward

Crown
Gaithersburg
Northwest
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill

Blake
Paint Branch
Springwood
Sherwood

Kennedy
Magruder
RM
Rockville
Wootton

Clarksburg
Damascus
Poolesville
QO

I saw the document before it was taken down and this matches it. BUT don’t forget this could change. Unlikely but possible. And also, don’t forget that many of us do not know what our zoned option even is yet. Depending on how the boundary study shakes out I’d be in different regions.

In the document it said that some programs would be criteria based and others interest based, as they are now. There was no mention of a lottery and the poster who assumed that could not have based it on anything. I am not positive but I think something in the document referred to sorting out admissions criteria and process. Obviously they will need to figure that out, and will it be done by each individual program as it is now, or centrally?

I personally think they are potentially overestimating how many students want to enter a special program for high school. I think the allure of some of the top programs right now is cohort and established excellence, not the narrow focus or specialty itself. I agree with the PP who said lumping this together with the boundary study is muddying a lot of details. I’m concerned they are going to scale up a lot of these programs in places where they will either be over or under subscribed because people haven’t sorted whether their zoned option suits their needs. It’s also hard to know as an 8th grader what high school courses or pathways you will want or need and very little help is given to families to plan this out at all.

I agree with you. Most kids want to go to their neighborhood school and would if it were strong. That’s where they should focus their energy.

I agree. Strong, comprehensive neighborhood schools with a broad range of electives. The program focus sucks resources, complicates transportation, and administration, and only benefits a small number of kids

What constitutes a "broad range of electives" ? Part of the reason program exist is because there is not enough resources to offer all electives at all HS. That's the point of the regional model. You can concentrate resources around a particular program/speciality in one place. Now, I could see the potential for perhaps some cross enrollment across region in a virtual model or half day model. Similar to what is done at a university level. But I would expect that to be a Phase II or Phase III implementation.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.

There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.

Which school are you talking about? Einstein has AP Bio, AP Chem, APES, AP Phys, AP Calc BC, AP Stats, AP Lang, AP Lit, AP Gov, AP USH, AP World…. That seems like advanced classes to me. No multivariable that is true but saying a school doesn’t offer advanced classes when it offers all these plus IB is not true. Do you mean a different school?

There is no ap bio or chem. There is no multi variable or linear algebra. There are zero science ap. Two science teachers left this year.

Which school?

Einstein.

Oh interesting. So their website says that they offer all the AP science classes. That is not reality?

You have to look at the course guide for that year not the website. No it’s not true. We looked at the website when picking it for our first kid and it was misleading. They don’t offer a lot of what they say they do. Principal says he picks and chooses not to. He claims not enough interest but the guidance counselor’s actively discourage kids from taking advanced math and science except foreign language which they push.

You should bring this up to your district rep and the BOE, particularly in light of the program analysis. It has repeatedly and continues to be noted that the availability of courses for students is not equitable and not necessarily a lack of interest by students. Schools choose which course they are going to offer without any survey to the student body and often no survey to teachers about where interest lies. In fact, if you present students with the entire course catalog of MCPS many students would be surprised that courses are offered in other places. Its not necessary lack of interest, its lack of awareness and lack of preparation.

I have, they don’t care. The equity office suggested things in place of math but had no clue about graduation requirements and some kids don’t have enough math options to graduate if in an accelerated track.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.

There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.

Which school are you talking about? Einstein has AP Bio, AP Chem, APES, AP Phys, AP Calc BC, AP Stats, AP Lang, AP Lit, AP Gov, AP USH, AP World…. That seems like advanced classes to me. No multivariable that is true but saying a school doesn’t offer advanced classes when it offers all these plus IB is not true. Do you mean a different school?

There is no ap bio or chem. There is no multi variable or linear algebra. There are zero science ap. Two science teachers left this year.

Which school?

Einstein.

Oh interesting. So their website says that they offer all the AP science classes. That is not reality?

You have to look at the course guide for that year not the website. No it’s not true. We looked at the website when picking it for our first kid and it was misleading. They don’t offer a lot of what they say they do. Principal says he picks and chooses not to. He claims not enough interest but the guidance counselor’s actively discourage kids from taking advanced math and science except foreign language which they push.

You should bring this up to your district rep and the BOE, particularly in light of the program analysis. It has repeatedly and continues to be noted that the availability of courses for students is not equitable and not necessarily a lack of interest by students. Schools choose which course they are going to offer without any survey to the student body and often no survey to teachers about where interest lies. In fact, if you present students with the entire course catalog of MCPS many students would be surprised that courses are offered in other places. Its not necessary lack of interest, its lack of awareness and lack of preparation.

I have, they don’t care. The equity office suggested things in place of math but had no clue about graduation requirements and some kids don’t have enough math options to graduate if in an accelerated track.

There are always math options to graduate. They just may not be your preferred options. If you have taken the highest math class your school offers, then you do dual enrollment.

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My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

Some have them but not enough students sign up so they end up not offering

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.

There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.

Which school are you talking about? Einstein has AP Bio, AP Chem, APES, AP Phys, AP Calc BC, AP Stats, AP Lang, AP Lit, AP Gov, AP USH, AP World…. That seems like advanced classes to me. No multivariable that is true but saying a school doesn’t offer advanced classes when it offers all these plus IB is not true. Do you mean a different school?

There is no ap bio or chem. There is no multi variable or linear algebra. There are zero science ap. Two science teachers left this year.

Which school?

Einstein.

Oh interesting. So their website says that they offer all the AP science classes. That is not reality?

You have to look at the course guide for that year not the website. No it’s not true. We looked at the website when picking it for our first kid and it was misleading. They don’t offer a lot of what they say they do. Principal says he picks and chooses not to. He claims not enough interest but the guidance counselor’s actively discourage kids from taking advanced math and science except foreign language which they push.

You should bring this up to your district rep and the BOE, particularly in light of the program analysis. It has repeatedly and continues to be noted that the availability of courses for students is not equitable and not necessarily a lack of interest by students. Schools choose which course they are going to offer without any survey to the student body and often no survey to teachers about where interest lies. In fact, if you present students with the entire course catalog of MCPS many students would be surprised that courses are offered in other places. Its not necessary lack of interest, its lack of awareness and lack of preparation.

I have, they don’t care. The equity office suggested things in place of math but had no clue about graduation requirements and some kids don’t have enough math options to graduate if in an accelerated track.

There are always math options to graduate. They just may not be your preferred options. If you have taken the highest math class your school offers, then you do dual enrollment.

I know kids at WJ who did DE because they maxed out of the offerings at WJ math. At some point, some kids will exceed normal high school offerings. That is pretty rare though. Calc BC and Stats meets the needs of most advanced kids.

Does Einstein have IB science instead of AP?

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Anonymous wrote:My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

People should keep this in mind when putting their kids on these super advanced math pathways.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

That there are students in all the regions with high GPAs and involved in specialized programs. There is also reporting done each year to show that there are kids in alls schools taking advance classes. So quit it with your chicken little mentality or scarcity mentality.

Another DP. While there may be plenty of students in each region to support programs, are there plenty of program seats in each region to support students? That would be the more important question.

And while there are kids in all schools taking advanced classes, there clearly have not been the same breadth and levels of advanced classes available at all schools for students to take. Again, the latter bit is the much more important point, but one that MCPS typically would hide by using the wording of the former.

The scarcity claims are valid unless MCPS can show that, on an individual basis, the options for school attendance (magnet, consortia, in-bounds school or some other) and program/class availability that reasonably might be expected (not just possible) are

roughly equivalent no matter where one lives

and

consistent with the academic need of said individual.

There are kids at all schools capable but not all kids are taking advanced classes as the schools don’t offer them. They try to force the kids to Mc. Of course pre one BOE member works there and her job is liaison to MCPS so huge conflict of interest.

Which school are you talking about? Einstein has AP Bio, AP Chem, APES, AP Phys, AP Calc BC, AP Stats, AP Lang, AP Lit, AP Gov, AP USH, AP World…. That seems like advanced classes to me. No multivariable that is true but saying a school doesn’t offer advanced classes when it offers all these plus IB is not true. Do you mean a different school?

There is no ap bio or chem. There is no multi variable or linear algebra. There are zero science ap. Two science teachers left this year.

Which school?

Einstein.

Oh interesting. So their website says that they offer all the AP science classes. That is not reality?

You have to look at the course guide for that year not the website. No it’s not true. We looked at the website when picking it for our first kid and it was misleading. They don’t offer a lot of what they say they do. Principal says he picks and chooses not to. He claims not enough interest but the guidance counselor’s actively discourage kids from taking advanced math and science except foreign language which they push.

You should bring this up to your district rep and the BOE, particularly in light of the program analysis. It has repeatedly and continues to be noted that the availability of courses for students is not equitable and not necessarily a lack of interest by students. Schools choose which course they are going to offer without any survey to the student body and often no survey to teachers about where interest lies. In fact, if you present students with the entire course catalog of MCPS many students would be surprised that courses are offered in other places. Its not necessary lack of interest, its lack of awareness and lack of preparation.

I have, they don’t care. The equity office suggested things in place of math but had no clue about graduation requirements and some kids don’t have enough math options to graduate if in an accelerated track.

There are always math options to graduate. They just may not be your preferred options. If you have taken the highest math class your school offers, then you do dual enrollment.

I know kids at WJ who did DE because they maxed out of the offerings at WJ math. At some point, some kids will exceed normal high school offerings. That is pretty rare though. Calc BC and Stats meets the needs of most advanced kids.

Does Einstein have IB science instead of AP?

Yes it does.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

There was a longish thread a while back that pointed out (correctly) that Einstein, at least, offers zero AP science classes.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

Interesting. My kid applied to an UMD engineering summer program and has bc and he was denied for lack of engineering classes and activities. They were super nice but said they did not meet the qualifications. I don’t get taking an over bc. It’s just a few extra chapters. I fully expect to respect math for college but it’s a good foundation.

We don’t have ap science anything.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

There was a longish thread a while back that pointed out (correctly) that Einstein, at least, offers zero AP science classes.

Which means kids are not as competitive for college.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

There was a longish thread a while back that pointed out (correctly) that Einstein, at least, offers zero AP science classes.

Which means kids are not as competitive for college.

No, if they take the IB science classes instead, they are taking the most rigorous options available *at their own school*, which is how they are evaluated.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

People should keep this in mind when putting their kids on these super advanced math pathways.

Correct but we asked in MS and were told it wasn’t a problem and there would be enough classes. We were lied to. I wish I knew or we would have waited a year to start algebra.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS went to UMD for engineering. He only took Calc AB and AP Stats, in addition to AP Bio, AP Chem, AP Physics and APES. Plus APs in social studies, economics etc.

Do all high schools offer that? Shouldn’t they at least offer what UMD expects of a STEM student?

It was fine that he didn’t have Calc BC or multivariable because he took those in the Honors sections with amazing professors. Never would have learned as much in HS.

There was a longish thread a while back that pointed out (correctly) that Einstein, at least, offers zero AP science classes.

Which means kids are not as competitive for college.

No, if they take the IB science classes instead, they are taking the most rigorous options available *at their own school*, which is how they are evaluated.

Not all kids will do well in ib style classes or want it. Some also are two periods which is hard schedule wise. Ib match is not equal to calc bc.