Why the hate for Boston College?

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Anonymous wrote:When your most famous graduate is Doug Flutie . . .

Probably Amy Poehler or Matt Hasslebeck or Clinton Kelly or Chris O’Donnell or Peter Lynch or Steve Barry or Pete Frates….

Of course it’s not an Ivy. But it’s a great school with a beautiful campus and Catholic values and tons of spirit. Students who go there typically love it, get a great education, and are successful and happy. No hate here.

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Anonymous wrote:In the STEM fields, especially CS/AI and engineering, NEU has surpassed BC so while it has a very good business program while BU has made a big push in engineering, many see alternatives in in-demand fields just in the Boston area.

The BC network within Boston is fine but you are competing with Tufts, BU, and NEU (to say nothing of Harvard and MIT and NESCACs or Ivy graduates looking to return home), none of which is a clearly better than the others. Because so much of the higher-paying Boston job market is biotech, it is less than ideal to got to BC thinking you will stay in Boston. Maybe you work back or middle office at State Street.

Network is overrated anyways.

Not when you go to a T25 school.

This is what you get with the fancy network.

- Harvard English = $64,155
- Boston College Finance = $135,373
- Northeastern CS = $149,127

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

Self-reported stats are beautiful and not fraught with significant problems. Let me know the next time you fill out an alumni survey of your income and net worth 30 years out of school. If you think the BC Finance major is doing better in life than Harvard English you are a fanatic.

Stop crying. It's not self-reported. It's data from the Department of Education.
BC finance outcome is definitely better than Harvard English. You are clueless

It is self-reported. Seniors and recent college alumni are not obligated to provide the Dept. of Education their income. They are not subpoenad. Duh

Can't you even google? it took me 3 seconds.

"The College Scorecard gathers data through federal reporting from institutions, data on federal financial aid, and tax information. It also utilizes data from the National Student Loan Data System (NSLDS) for program-level enrollment and earnings information. The data is then aggregated and analyzed to provide metrics like graduation rates, debt levels, and post-graduation earnings."

That is a narrow set of students. Full pay students are not accounted for.

Do we care what daughter of Obama or son of Trump makes after graduation? Hell no.
They'll get a job by working for dad or via fancy connection. those will actually skew the data.
This eliminates the factor and provides realistic data for common people (lower, middle, upper middle class) either at Harvard or Boston College.

I do. I want rich and connected classmates. Not used car salesmen’s children.

Rich classmates won't bother with your kid.
That's why
- Harvard English = $64,155
- Boston College Finance = $135,373
- Northeastern CS = $149,127

Call me when you or your kid actually chooses NEU or BC over Harvard and has acceptance letters in hand.

There are a lot of rich people at Boston College too.
I just showed you so called network is overrated and overhyped either at Harvard or Boston College.
Never relay on that.

You did not show that. You showed that, as a group, FNCE workers get much higher salaries than English majors, who are likely to enter education, the arts, etc -- fields that are known for being more interesting and meaningful than they are remunerative. Getting a $60K job as a Hollywood agent or a gallerista requires a powerful network. I'd guess that Harvard's network is stronger than BC's, which is stronger than JMU.

English majors, unlike you, might not measure success with a dollar figure.

Education is more interesting and meaningful?

All the most interesting, innovative, futuristic, exciting, and life-enriching stuff are coming from tech and engineering powered by venture capital.

Education is going to be an important vocation moving forward. Any job that requires human interaction are the ones that will survive the AI takeover. Doctors, nurses, teachers, anyone in the medical field for that matter. Your tech career will be lifeless in 20 years. And I am saying this as the mom of recent grad who took a job as a data scientist. We are already steering him in directions where he can be successful in the AI sphere. He got his degree in 2023, when data science/computer science were hot careers. It will cool down soon enough as AI programs continue to write more and more complex code. My son is using AI now to write a good portion of his code, and he sees the writing on the wall. There are ways to make yourself more valuable and luckily my husband is in a field where he is aware of how he can achieve this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When your most famous graduate is Doug Flutie . . .

Probably Amy Poehler or Matt Hasslebeck or Clinton Kelly or Chris O’Donnell or Peter Lynch or Steve Barry or Pete Frates….

Of course it’s not an Ivy. But it’s a great school with a beautiful campus and Catholic values and tons of spirit. Students who go there typically love it, get a great education, and are successful and happy. No hate here.

Doug Flutie has greater name recognition than any of those names you rattled off.

[Anonymous]

I haven’t read all 18 pages so not sure how many that replied actually live and hire in boston but contributing my two cents.

Full disclosure, not a bc fan and try not to hire at the catholic private colleges if I can help it.

However, BC consistently sends the strongest applicants to us. We hire in the policy/politics/consulting space —

We need people who can write well, with quick turnaround, follow directions, that we can stick in meetings with principals, can grasp concepts pretty rapidly and show some initiative—

We don’t have the profile or pay to get H, Dartmouth or the tippy top lac’s grads…

Tufts and BC are far and away the bulk of our best applicants…with the BC cohort having far more external polish and communication skills.

We’ve never had a dud BC hire

To compare BC to BU, NEU etc is asinine.

To be honest, does BC provide $360k worth of polish? Debatable — I think college is very overrated outside of a certain majors and we could probably take a strong big 3 dc or similar private kid up here in boston and train them up in a year….

But in the system we currently have, BC does a good job filtering kids who can plug into white collar major city work and play culture

[Anonymous]

Big difference between top 30 schools and BC

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Anonymous wrote:https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164924-Boston-College

Boston College
Graduation Rate: 92%
Salary: $103,937
Average cost: $39,090

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166629-University-of-Massachusetts-Amherst

UMass Amherst
Graduation Rate: 81%
Salary: $71,631
Average cost: $21,846

You mean the dude sitting on this thread just to sh&t on BC is full of sh$t? A liar? I'm shocked.

These aren’t the sterling numbers you think they are.

Just accurately describe and contextualize BC. It is an okay school, not elite or top. These threads wouldn’t exist if boosters acknowledged this truth.

No one said BC was Ivy League level or anything.

It's a solid top 50 college. Not many of those.

Move on.

Not many? There’s 50.

Multiple posters said it was an equal to Cornell and Dartmouth.

Yes, 50.

Out of let's say 4,000 or so.

Do the math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all 18 pages so not sure how many that replied actually live and hire in boston but contributing my two cents.

Full disclosure, not a bc fan and try not to hire at the catholic private colleges if I can help it.

However, BC consistently sends the strongest applicants to us. We hire in the policy/politics/consulting space —

We need people who can write well, with quick turnaround, follow directions, that we can stick in meetings with principals, can grasp concepts pretty rapidly and show some initiative—

We don’t have the profile or pay to get H, Dartmouth or the tippy top lac’s grads…

Tufts and BC are far and away the bulk of our best applicants…with the BC cohort having far more external polish and communication skills.

WHY? Why would one actively try to exclude private/catholic schools?
We’ve never had a dud BC hire

To compare BC to BU, NEU etc is asinine.

To be honest, does BC provide $360k worth of polish? Debatable — I think college is very overrated outside of a certain majors and we could probably take a strong big 3 dc or similar private kid up here in boston and train them up in a year….

But in the system we currently have, BC does a good job filtering kids who can plug into white collar major city work and play culture

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Anonymous wrote:In the STEM fields, especially CS/AI and engineering, NEU has surpassed BC so while it has a very good business program while BU has made a big push in engineering, many see alternatives in in-demand fields just in the Boston area.

The BC network within Boston is fine but you are competing with Tufts, BU, and NEU (to say nothing of Harvard and MIT and NESCACs or Ivy graduates looking to return home), none of which is a clearly better than the others. Because so much of the higher-paying Boston job market is biotech, it is less than ideal to got to BC thinking you will stay in Boston. Maybe you work back or middle office at State Street.

Network is overrated anyways.

Not when you go to a T25 school.

This is what you get with the fancy network.

- Harvard English = $64,155
- Boston College Finance = $135,373
- Northeastern CS = $149,127

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/

Self-reported stats are beautiful and not fraught with significant problems. Let me know the next time you fill out an alumni survey of your income and net worth 30 years out of school. If you think the BC Finance major is doing better in life than Harvard English you are a fanatic.

Stop crying. It's not self-reported. It's data from the Department of Education.
BC finance outcome is definitely better than Harvard English. You are clueless

It is self-reported. Seniors and recent college alumni are not obligated to provide the Dept. of Education their income. They are not subpoenad. Duh

Can't you even google? it took me 3 seconds.

"The College Scorecard gathers data through federal reporting from institutions, data on federal financial aid, and tax information. It also utilizes data from the National Student Loan Data System (NSLDS) for program-level enrollment and earnings information. The data is then aggregated and analyzed to provide metrics like graduation rates, debt levels, and post-graduation earnings."

That is a narrow set of students. Full pay students are not accounted for.

Do we care what daughter of Obama or son of Trump makes after graduation? Hell no.
They'll get a job by working for dad or via fancy connection. those will actually skew the data.
This eliminates the factor and provides realistic data for common people (lower, middle, upper middle class) either at Harvard or Boston College.

I do. I want rich and connected classmates. Not used car salesmen’s children.

Rich classmates won't bother with your kid.
That's why
- Harvard English = $64,155
- Boston College Finance = $135,373
- Northeastern CS = $149,127

Call me when you or your kid actually chooses NEU or BC over Harvard and has acceptance letters in hand.

There are a lot of rich people at Boston College too.
I just showed you so called network is overrated and overhyped either at Harvard or Boston College.
Never relay on that.

You did not show that. You showed that, as a group, FNCE workers get much higher salaries than English majors, who are likely to enter education, the arts, etc -- fields that are known for being more interesting and meaningful than they are remunerative. Getting a $60K job as a Hollywood agent or a gallerista requires a powerful network. I'd guess that Harvard's network is stronger than BC's, which is stronger than JMU.

English majors, unlike you, might not measure success with a dollar figure.

Education is more interesting and meaningful?

All the most interesting, innovative, futuristic, exciting, and life-enriching stuff are coming from tech and engineering powered by venture capital.

Education is going to be an important vocation moving forward. Any job that requires human interaction are the ones that will survive the AI takeover. Doctors, nurses, teachers, anyone in the medical field for that matter. Your tech career will be lifeless in 20 years. And I am saying this as the mom of recent grad who took a job as a data scientist. We are already steering him in directions where he can be successful in the AI sphere. He got his degree in 2023, when data science/computer science were hot careers. It will cool down soon enough as AI programs continue to write more and more complex code. My son is using AI now to write a good portion of his code, and he sees the writing on the wall. There are ways to make yourself more valuable and luckily my husband is in a field where he is aware of how he can achieve this.

Great story.

You and you husband know nothing.

[Anonymous]

Way too much money go Big10 or hot SEC schools. Lots to of full pay NE families are going to Athens, Gainesville, Madison, or Bloomington.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all 18 pages so not sure how many that replied actually live and hire in boston but contributing my two cents.

Full disclosure, not a bc fan and try not to hire at the catholic private colleges if I can help it.

However, BC consistently sends the strongest applicants to us. We hire in the policy/politics/consulting space —

We need people who can write well, with quick turnaround, follow directions, that we can stick in meetings with principals, can grasp concepts pretty rapidly and show some initiative—

We don’t have the profile or pay to get H, Dartmouth or the tippy top lac’s grads…

Tufts and BC are far and away the bulk of our best applicants…with the BC cohort having far more external polish and communication skills.

WHY? Why would one actively try to exclude private/catholic schools?
We’ve never had a dud BC hire

To compare BC to BU, NEU etc is asinine.

To be honest, does BC provide $360k worth of polish? Debatable — I think college is very overrated outside of a certain majors and we could probably take a strong big 3 dc or similar private kid up here in boston and train them up in a year….

But in the system we currently have, BC does a good job filtering kids who can plug into white collar major city work and play culture

Pp here

Not a fan of umc catholic culture

[Anonymous]

Boston C , Boston U , Northeastern etc belong in the same group …. Same c*ap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all 18 pages so not sure how many that replied actually live and hire in boston but contributing my two cents.

Full disclosure, not a bc fan and try not to hire at the catholic private colleges if I can help it.

However, BC consistently sends the strongest applicants to us. We hire in the policy/politics/consulting space —

We need people who can write well, with quick turnaround, follow directions, that we can stick in meetings with principals, can grasp concepts pretty rapidly and show some initiative—

We don’t have the profile or pay to get H, Dartmouth or the tippy top lac’s grads…

Tufts and BC are far and away the bulk of our best applicants…with the BC cohort having far more external polish and communication skills.

WHY? Why would one actively try to exclude private/catholic schools?
We’ve never had a dud BC hire

To compare BC to BU, NEU etc is asinine.

To be honest, does BC provide $360k worth of polish? Debatable — I think college is very overrated outside of a certain majors and we could probably take a strong big 3 dc or similar private kid up here in boston and train them up in a year….

But in the system we currently have, BC does a good job filtering kids who can plug into white collar major city work and play culture

Pp here

Not a fan of umc catholic culture

Agreed. It’s homogenous and self satisfied without the sophistication of preppies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all 18 pages so not sure how many that replied actually live and hire in boston but contributing my two cents.

Full disclosure, not a bc fan and try not to hire at the catholic private colleges if I can help it.

However, BC consistently sends the strongest applicants to us. We hire in the policy/politics/consulting space —

We need people who can write well, with quick turnaround, follow directions, that we can stick in meetings with principals, can grasp concepts pretty rapidly and show some initiative—

We don’t have the profile or pay to get H, Dartmouth or the tippy top lac’s grads…

Tufts and BC are far and away the bulk of our best applicants…with the BC cohort having far more external polish and communication skills.

WHY? Why would one actively try to exclude private/catholic schools?
We’ve never had a dud BC hire

To compare BC to BU, NEU etc is asinine.

To be honest, does BC provide $360k worth of polish? Debatable — I think college is very overrated outside of a certain majors and we could probably take a strong big 3 dc or similar private kid up here in boston and train them up in a year….

But in the system we currently have, BC does a good job filtering kids who can plug into white collar major city work and play culture

The takeaway is BC alums get jobs HS seniors can do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all 18 pages so not sure how many that replied actually live and hire in boston but contributing my two cents.

Full disclosure, not a bc fan and try not to hire at the catholic private colleges if I can help it.

However, BC consistently sends the strongest applicants to us. We hire in the policy/politics/consulting space —

We need people who can write well, with quick turnaround, follow directions, that we can stick in meetings with principals, can grasp concepts pretty rapidly and show some initiative—

We don’t have the profile or pay to get H, Dartmouth or the tippy top lac’s grads…

Tufts and BC are far and away the bulk of our best applicants…with the BC cohort having far more external polish and communication skills.

WHY? Why would one actively try to exclude private/catholic schools?
We’ve never had a dud BC hire

To compare BC to BU, NEU etc is asinine.

To be honest, does BC provide $360k worth of polish? Debatable — I think college is very overrated outside of a certain majors and we could probably take a strong big 3 dc or similar private kid up here in boston and train them up in a year….

But in the system we currently have, BC does a good job filtering kids who can plug into white collar major city work and play culture

The takeaway is BC alums get jobs HS seniors can do.

A top 20% big 3 grad could be MBB analysts with 12 months of training straight out of hs

It says less about bc and more about the whole college system needs to change

We need way fewer schools and programs, and the ones that should exist should be much more rigorous

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read all 18 pages so not sure how many that replied actually live and hire in boston but contributing my two cents.

Full disclosure, not a bc fan and try not to hire at the catholic private colleges if I can help it.

However, BC consistently sends the strongest applicants to us. We hire in the policy/politics/consulting space —

We need people who can write well, with quick turnaround, follow directions, that we can stick in meetings with principals, can grasp concepts pretty rapidly and show some initiative—

We don’t have the profile or pay to get H, Dartmouth or the tippy top lac’s grads…

Tufts and BC are far and away the bulk of our best applicants…with the BC cohort having far more external polish and communication skills.

WHY? Why would one actively try to exclude private/catholic schools?
We’ve never had a dud BC hire

To compare BC to BU, NEU etc is asinine.

To be honest, does BC provide $360k worth of polish? Debatable — I think college is very overrated outside of a certain majors and we could probably take a strong big 3 dc or similar private kid up here in boston and train them up in a year….

But in the system we currently have, BC does a good job filtering kids who can plug into white collar major city work and play culture

The takeaway is BC alums get jobs HS seniors can do.

A top 20% big 3 grad could be MBB analysts with 12 months of training straight out of hs

It says less about bc and more about the whole college system needs to change

We need way fewer schools and programs, and the ones that should exist should be much more rigorous

Top 20% big 3 graduates aren't going to BC. It would be an outlier result if any went there.