Should financial aid in private school be stricter?

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Anonymous wrote:They want some economic diversity but they're largely not prepared to deal with potentially bombastic class and cultural clashes that could result by bringing in truly low income kids who would have to be full ride+. It's easier to subsidize a middle class, college educated couple and their kids who couldn't afford private school but have kids who can, "blend" enough and share similar educational values. That's really it. Let's not kid ourselves, these schools are bastions of extreme privilege, but if they started giving full rides, needing to offer free lunch, subsidize field trips etc. In any way en masse people would FREAK out. So yeah, you're going to get some dual Feds with PhDs bringing in 300k. I think the schools prefer that in so many ways.

I agree. I’m the poster above with a 250k HHI and 3 kids who get significant aid in private school. Our school does prioritize income diversity which we certainly offer since most of the families probably are making over 500k. There are also families who make significantly less than us- when we initially applied we made less than 100k. What they DON’T want is to deal with high maintenance, entitled parents or alternatively parents who are not engaged in their child’s learning. They do offer full rides but will not accept a child whose needs they cannot meet (significant family instability, etc)

You actually sound really entitled. Anyone in the Bay Area who has THREE kids and expects a hand out from a private school to educate all their kids for not even the cost of one full tuition is a leach. If tuition is around 40 K and you have three children that is 120K. So 75% of that is 90k. You only pay 30K?!

What is the incentive work more to earn more if you can just get a hand out, right? Another family would have to earn 180k more than 250k - so 430k- to equal your true income because they would be paying around 50% in extra state and local taxes. So those families who you think are not in your income bracket actually are because they are having to pay $120k for their three kids. And that of course is after they pay taxes while you get your 90k of scholarship money for free.

This is why people no longer are willing to donate to financial aid. You aren't bringing anything to the table that another family wouldn't who only has one kid and makes 250k.

You’re making a lot of assumptions, and that’s the problem with your logic. Like I said, thank goodness you aren’t the one deciding what a family brings to the table. Are you combing through families financials to know their whole picture, or making assumptions based on what car they drive and where they live? What about the taxes that a family making 250k pays? What if they have to pay out of pocket for healthcare for themselves and their kids? What if they are self employed and have to pay those taxes too? What if they don’t have wealthy grandparents footing the bill? Clearly your reading comprehension is poor considering I said that our income has increased over 150k since we joined the community, and our tuition is adjusted to reflect that increase. We are happy to pay more as our income continues to increase. My school’s administration curates a very racially, economically, and neuro- diverse community. That means families with one kid or 3+ can get financial aid and the school takes into account their entire financial picture as well as community considerations to make their decision. Instead of complaining about families that you actually know nothing about, you should either stop donating to financial aid campaigns or apply for it yourself if you are qualified to do so and stay in your lane.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s very simple. Why do schools subsidize UMC families where there is a significant chunk of UMC that already pay full tuition.

The answer is also very simple. Donations fund financial aid. People give them money to do this. It is philanthropy.

That’s my point. You don’t do philanthropy for UMC. Except in private schools.

How else would teacher's kids and 5 kid families afford private. Are you seriously trying to carve them out of the picture so we can fully fund 1 kid instead of 10? Ten kids change the fabric and culture of the school, one child in a wealthy class will just feel isolated.

I am not trying to do anything, just pointing to the fact that many middle class families make a lot of effort to pay the tuition…. So other middle class families get financial aid. What can possibly be wrong with that?

You need to apply for aid if you feel this way. If you qualify, you will get some.

I agree. This person is whining and judging families they know nothing about when they could apply for financial aid themselves if they qualified. Everyone who qualifies should apply!

Of course they should apply! Otherwise it would be impossible to take vacations in Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:They want some economic diversity but they're largely not prepared to deal with potentially bombastic class and cultural clashes that could result by bringing in truly low income kids who would have to be full ride+. It's easier to subsidize a middle class, college educated couple and their kids who couldn't afford private school but have kids who can, "blend" enough and share similar educational values. That's really it. Let's not kid ourselves, these schools are bastions of extreme privilege, but if they started giving full rides, needing to offer free lunch, subsidize field trips etc. In any way en masse people would FREAK out. So yeah, you're going to get some dual Feds with PhDs bringing in 300k. I think the schools prefer that in so many ways.

I agree. I’m the poster above with a 250k HHI and 3 kids who get significant aid in private school. Our school does prioritize income diversity which we certainly offer since most of the families probably are making over 500k. There are also families who make significantly less than us- when we initially applied we made less than 100k. What they DON’T want is to deal with high maintenance, entitled parents or alternatively parents who are not engaged in their child’s learning. They do offer full rides but will not accept a child whose needs they cannot meet (significant family instability, etc)

You actually sound really entitled. Anyone in the Bay Area who has THREE kids and expects a hand out from a private school to educate all their kids for not even the cost of one full tuition is a leach. If tuition is around 40 K and you have three children that is 120K. So 75% of that is 90k. You only pay 30K?!

What is the incentive work more to earn more if you can just get a hand out, right? Another family would have to earn 180k more than 250k - so 430k- to equal your true income because they would be paying around 50% in extra state and local taxes. So those families who you think are not in your income bracket actually are because they are having to pay $120k for their three kids. And that of course is after they pay taxes while you get your 90k of scholarship money for free.

This is why people no longer are willing to donate to financial aid. You aren't bringing anything to the table that another family wouldn't who only has one kid and makes 250k.

You’re making a lot of assumptions, and that’s the problem with your logic. Like I said, thank goodness you aren’t the one deciding what a family brings to the table. Are you combing through families financials to know their whole picture, or making assumptions based on what car they drive and where they live? What about the taxes that a family making 250k pays? What if they have to pay out of pocket for healthcare for themselves and their kids? What if they are self employed and have to pay those taxes too? What if they don’t have wealthy grandparents footing the bill? Clearly your reading comprehension is poor considering I said that our income has increased over 150k since we joined the community, and our tuition is adjusted to reflect that increase. We are happy to pay more as our income continues to increase. My school’s administration curates a very racially, economically, and neuro- diverse community. That means families with one kid or 3+ can get financial aid and the school takes into account their entire financial picture as well as community considerations to make their decision. Instead of complaining about families that you actually know nothing about, you should either stop donating to financial aid campaigns or apply for it yourself if you are qualified to do so and stay in your lane.

Its all about lifestylel choices. We can do it on less than $200 as we are in a lower cost home in an area you don't want, don't travel, etc. 3+ kids is also a lifestyle choice. I know the taxes one pays. You are greedy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why academically bright but low income kids are going to elite private schools. He breaks it down very succinctly. Also, you have to have academic or athletic promise to even be admitted to those sorts of schools.

https://www.amherst.edu/news/magazine/issues/2017-spring/beyond-campus/the-priviledged-poor

I am fine with that. But what I see in private schools are average kids from UMC families that receive financial aid. So why exactly we are helping out these families?

Please o wise one tell us what poor people look like? Or does your bias tell you that certain zipcode and minorities must all be on aid?

Just ask the financial aid office in your school who receives financial aid and you will be able to count with your fingers the low income families.

So your financial aid office has shared this information with you? You also know their grades?

Yes, it’s published online in some schools. The income of families receiving financial aid. If you were not checking DCUM the whole day you would notice.

You said to ask the financial aid office. You are online declaring that you know not only the finances but also the grades of families on financial aid at your school. Facts are hard, try to at least keep up with your own biases masquerading as facts.

This is what I understand from your post : Blah Blah blah …..

Your response is about as intelligent as your logic.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why academically bright but low income kids are going to elite private schools. He breaks it down very succinctly. Also, you have to have academic or athletic promise to even be admitted to those sorts of schools.

https://www.amherst.edu/news/magazine/issues/2017-spring/beyond-campus/the-priviledged-poor

I am fine with that. But what I see in private schools are average kids from UMC families that receive financial aid. So why exactly we are helping out these families?

Please o wise one tell us what poor people look like? Or does your bias tell you that certain zipcode and minorities must all be on aid?

Just ask the financial aid office in your school who receives financial aid and you will be able to count with your fingers the low income families.

So your financial aid office has shared this information with you? You also know their grades?

Yes, it’s published online in some schools. The income of families receiving financial aid. If you were not checking DCUM the whole day you would notice.

You said to ask the financial aid office. You are online declaring that you know not only the finances but also the grades of families on financial aid at your school. Facts are hard, try to at least keep up with your own biases masquerading as facts.

This is what I understand from your post : Blah Blah blah …..

Your response is about as intelligent as your logic.

And your empathy as good as your charisma.

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Let me put it in another way so many elitist parents could understand. If you could only donate $1 would you give it to a low income child that needs it or to a middle class child that will be fine without that dollar.

For the troll parents that want to say that is false choice. Yes you could donate 50 cents to low income families and 50 cents to middle income families. The question is which donation is more impactful. My point is that if you don’t subsidize middle income families, those kids will be perfectly fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it in another way so many elitist parents could understand. If you could only donate $1 would you give it to a low income child that needs it or to a middle class child that will be fine without that dollar.

For the troll parents that want to say that is false choice. Yes you could donate 50 cents to low income families and 50 cents to middle income families. The question is which donation is more impactful. My point is that if you don’t subsidize middle income families, those kids will be perfectly fine.

On here people consider themselves middle class when their HHI is $200-1 million+ and they live in expensive houses.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it in another way so many elitist parents could understand. If you could only donate $1 would you give it to a low income child that needs it or to a middle class child that will be fine without that dollar.

For the troll parents that want to say that is false choice. Yes you could donate 50 cents to low income families and 50 cents to middle income families. The question is which donation is more impactful. My point is that if you don’t subsidize middle income families, those kids will be perfectly fine.

On here people consider themselves middle class when their HHI is $200-1 million+ and they live in expensive houses.

Those are the ones that receive financial aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it in another way so many elitist parents could understand. If you could only donate $1 would you give it to a low income child that needs it or to a middle class child that will be fine without that dollar.

For the troll parents that want to say that is false choice. Yes you could donate 50 cents to low income families and 50 cents to middle income families. The question is which donation is more impactful. My point is that if you don’t subsidize middle income families, those kids will be perfectly fine.

On here people consider themselves middle class when their HHI is $200-1 million+ and they live in expensive houses.

Those are the ones that receive financial aid.

Which is why some have an issue with it. That's not low income or deserving.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it in another way so many elitist parents could understand. If you could only donate $1 would you give it to a low income child that needs it or to a middle class child that will be fine without that dollar.

For the troll parents that want to say that is false choice. Yes you could donate 50 cents to low income families and 50 cents to middle income families. The question is which donation is more impactful. My point is that if you don’t subsidize middle income families, those kids will be perfectly fine.

On here people consider themselves middle class when their HHI is $200-1 million+ and they live in expensive houses.

Those are the ones that receive financial aid.

Which is why some have an issue with it. That's not low income or deserving.

Your hyperbole is astonishing. You call anyone calling you out on your biases a troll, but you are asserting that people with a HHI of 200k-1M are receiving aid. Do you even know the definition of HHI?

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Anonymous wrote:This is why academically bright but low income kids are going to elite private schools. He breaks it down very succinctly. Also, you have to have academic or athletic promise to even be admitted to those sorts of schools.

https://www.amherst.edu/news/magazine/issues/2017-spring/beyond-campus/the-priviledged-poor

I am fine with that. But what I see in private schools are average kids from UMC families that receive financial aid. So why exactly we are helping out these families?

Please o wise one tell us what poor people look like? Or does your bias tell you that certain zipcode and minorities must all be on aid?

Just ask the financial aid office in your school who receives financial aid and you will be able to count with your fingers the low income families.

So your financial aid office has shared this information with you? You also know their grades?

Yes, it’s published online in some schools. The income of families receiving financial aid. If you were not checking DCUM the whole day you would notice.

You said to ask the financial aid office. You are online declaring that you know not only the finances but also the grades of families on financial aid at your school. Facts are hard, try to at least keep up with your own biases masquerading as facts.

This is what I understand from your post : Blah Blah blah …..

Your response is about as intelligent as your logic.

And your empathy as good as your charisma.

DP

Both of your insults are as good as eachothers. I think it's time to leave the playground

[Anonymous]

Why is everyone on here so angry over such trivial things it’s annoying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let me put it in another way so many elitist parents could understand. If you could only donate $1 would you give it to a low income child that needs it or to a middle class child that will be fine without that dollar.

For the troll parents that want to say that is false choice. Yes you could donate 50 cents to low income families and 50 cents to middle income families. The question is which donation is more impactful. My point is that if you don’t subsidize middle income families, those kids will be perfectly fine.

On here people consider themselves middle class when their HHI is $200-1 million+ and they live in expensive houses.

Those are the ones that receive financial aid.

Which is why some have an issue with it. That's not low income or deserving.

Your hyperbole is astonishing. You call anyone calling you out on your biases a troll, but you are asserting that people with a HHI of 200k-1M are receiving aid. Do you even know the definition of HHI?

Check schools stats on financial aid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone on here so angry over such trivial things it’s annoying.

I agree. They do not want poor kids in their nice and clean schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone on here so angry over such trivial things it’s annoying.

It reflect a bit of groupthink. In those situations people dislike to hear alternative ideas, like the possibility of helping low income families.

I don’t think it’s a big deal, but it seems to trigger virulent responses.