Petition to Rescind the appointment of AP at Rock Creek Valley ES

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Anonymous wrote:I sat in court for the trial and feel compelled to respond to Moms statement.

First, the decision for her son to testify is a parent decision. If she didn’t want her son to testify she should have not allowed it. He testified because parents permitted it.

Her son did not provide clear testimony and was clearly confused on the stand. I agree he should never have testified but that’s what the parents permitted.

The video is not clear. We all saw in the courtroom that Mr. Winter stomps his foot but we did not see any contact made. Moco360 has not been fair with the reporting of this at all. You cannot see any contact made.

The judge in making her ruling pointed out that the child does not react as if contact had been made. Mom provides clear proof of that when she shares the 8000 nerve endings which only supports the lack of a reaction and the judges decision.

If her son was in such intense pain why did he not see the nurse? Why didn’t the assistant principal send him to the nurse when she learned of the accusation. The AP admitted he never went to the nurse.

Mom is also slanderous to Mr. Winter expressing thoughts that he has harmed other children when there is no proof whatsoever that has occurred.

Again, I was in court that day heard the testimony, saw the video, and it was clear that this was a very poor case that never should have gone to trial. Judge Burrell clearly felt even in the most favorable light that the prosecution did not present clear evidence, nor witnesses that provided credibility that a crime occurred.

I also was in court and agree with this completely. Winter was acquitted and cleared to return to work by MCPS. He deserves to work again. People need to accept that and stop this madness!

Yeah what's important is to make it easy for MCPS to shuffle people who shouldn't be around kids to different schools. Parents should know their place and not question the safety of their kids.

I don't have a particular opinion on this case, but I do have an opinion on whether parents are part of the human resources team at any school. They are not. Just as I don't expect to make personnel decisions at Safeway just because I shop there, I don't expect to have a say in HR processes at mcps just because my kids attend a certain school.

Okay, that’s just BS. If this is the case, then why are parents included on interview panels for administrators? Parents are stakeholders. They are leaving their children for 6-7 hours in the care of adults. It’s reasonable for them to have some say. If I ever have to leave my kids alone at Safeway for hours and hours because it’s required by law (like compulsory schooling is), I guess I might want to be engaged in the HR processes there.

I don't believe there are interview panels for assistant principals.

Oh come on now. The point is that the community DOES have a huge say in everything that goes on in a school. As they should. Safeway does not have a PTA equivalent lol. Again, GTFO

That is nowhere near true.

It is. As a parent I sit in on my school’s leadership meetings every month. There is also PTA meetings. There are also many many surveys and decisions made by vote (calendars for example)

+1 It is part of MCPS's process to include community stakeholders in principal position interviews.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OLO/Resources/Files/2022_reports/OLOReport2022-11.pdf

Principal position interviews, yes. "Everything that goes on in a school", no.

Like it or not, parents are going to care what happens and what staff are around their kids. Public school staff acting like autocrats is not doing you any favors.

Don't know who you're arguing with. But there are obviously many things that go on in a school which parents have no say over. Yes, there are a few select parents invited to principal interview panels, but they have no real influence. All of the other positions are hired without any parent input. Of course parents care about staff, and they absolutely should. But that wasn't what the PP claimed.

Parents obviously cannot unilaterally make decisions. Staff can to a certain extent, but if parents feel those decisions are not in their children's best interest, they can and should speak out, and in doing so they can potentially have a say in anything that goes on in a school. The notion that parents should just stfu because they aren't "part of the human resources team" is preposterous. Parents speaking out is exactly how some schools avoid getting terrible administrators while others cannot. I can't tell you how offensive and ridiculous it is to suggest parents are somehow out of bounds in organizing against having a person who was forced out of another school shuffled to their school. That practice needs to stop. MCPS serves the community, not its employees but lately it has been clear they have their priorities way off. Community organizing by parents is the only solution.

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Anonymous wrote:I sat in court for the trial and feel compelled to respond to Moms statement.

First, the decision for her son to testify is a parent decision. If she didn’t want her son to testify she should have not allowed it. He testified because parents permitted it.

Her son did not provide clear testimony and was clearly confused on the stand. I agree he should never have testified but that’s what the parents permitted.

The video is not clear. We all saw in the courtroom that Mr. Winter stomps his foot but we did not see any contact made. Moco360 has not been fair with the reporting of this at all. You cannot see any contact made.

The judge in making her ruling pointed out that the child does not react as if contact had been made. Mom provides clear proof of that when she shares the 8000 nerve endings which only supports the lack of a reaction and the judges decision.

If her son was in such intense pain why did he not see the nurse? Why didn’t the assistant principal send him to the nurse when she learned of the accusation. The AP admitted he never went to the nurse.

Mom is also slanderous to Mr. Winter expressing thoughts that he has harmed other children when there is no proof whatsoever that has occurred.

Again, I was in court that day heard the testimony, saw the video, and it was clear that this was a very poor case that never should have gone to trial. Judge Burrell clearly felt even in the most favorable light that the prosecution did not present clear evidence, nor witnesses that provided credibility that a crime occurred.

I also was in court and agree with this completely. Winter was acquitted and cleared to return to work by MCPS. He deserves to work again. People need to accept that and stop this madness!

Yeah what's important is to make it easy for MCPS to shuffle people who shouldn't be around kids to different schools. Parents should know their place and not question the safety of their kids.

I don't have a particular opinion on this case, but I do have an opinion on whether parents are part of the human resources team at any school. They are not. Just as I don't expect to make personnel decisions at Safeway just because I shop there, I don't expect to have a say in HR processes at mcps just because my kids attend a certain school.

Okay, that’s just BS. If this is the case, then why are parents included on interview panels for administrators? Parents are stakeholders. They are leaving their children for 6-7 hours in the care of adults. It’s reasonable for them to have some say. If I ever have to leave my kids alone at Safeway for hours and hours because it’s required by law (like compulsory schooling is), I guess I might want to be engaged in the HR processes there.

I don't believe there are interview panels for assistant principals.

Oh come on now. The point is that the community DOES have a huge say in everything that goes on in a school. As they should. Safeway does not have a PTA equivalent lol. Again, GTFO

That is nowhere near true.

It is. As a parent I sit in on my school’s leadership meetings every month. There is also PTA meetings. There are also many many surveys and decisions made by vote (calendars for example)

+1 It is part of MCPS's process to include community stakeholders in principal position interviews.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OLO/Resources/Files/2022_reports/OLOReport2022-11.pdf

Principal position interviews, yes. "Everything that goes on in a school", no.

Like it or not, parents are going to care what happens and what staff are around their kids. Public school staff acting like autocrats is not doing you any favors.

Don't know who you're arguing with. But there are obviously many things that go on in a school which parents have no say over. Yes, there are a few select parents invited to principal interview panels, but they have no real influence. All of the other positions are hired without any parent input. Of course parents care about staff, and they absolutely should. But that wasn't what the PP claimed.

Parents obviously cannot unilaterally make decisions. Staff can to a certain extent, but if parents feel those decisions are not in their children's best interest, they can and should speak out, and in doing so they can potentially have a say in anything that goes on in a school. The notion that parents should just stfu because they aren't "part of the human resources team" is preposterous. Parents speaking out is exactly how some schools avoid getting terrible administrators while others cannot. I can't tell you how offensive and ridiculous it is to suggest parents are somehow out of bounds in organizing against having a person who was forced out of another school shuffled to their school. That practice needs to stop. MCPS serves the community, not its employees but lately it has been clear they have their priorities way off. Community organizing by parents is the only solution.

No one said that they should.

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Anonymous wrote:I sat in court for the trial and feel compelled to respond to Moms statement.

First, the decision for her son to testify is a parent decision. If she didn’t want her son to testify she should have not allowed it. He testified because parents permitted it.

Her son did not provide clear testimony and was clearly confused on the stand. I agree he should never have testified but that’s what the parents permitted.

The video is not clear. We all saw in the courtroom that Mr. Winter stomps his foot but we did not see any contact made. Moco360 has not been fair with the reporting of this at all. You cannot see any contact made.

The judge in making her ruling pointed out that the child does not react as if contact had been made. Mom provides clear proof of that when she shares the 8000 nerve endings which only supports the lack of a reaction and the judges decision.

If her son was in such intense pain why did he not see the nurse? Why didn’t the assistant principal send him to the nurse when she learned of the accusation. The AP admitted he never went to the nurse.

Mom is also slanderous to Mr. Winter expressing thoughts that he has harmed other children when there is no proof whatsoever that has occurred.

Again, I was in court that day heard the testimony, saw the video, and it was clear that this was a very poor case that never should have gone to trial. Judge Burrell clearly felt even in the most favorable light that the prosecution did not present clear evidence, nor witnesses that provided credibility that a crime occurred.

I also was in court and agree with this completely. Winter was acquitted and cleared to return to work by MCPS. He deserves to work again. People need to accept that and stop this madness!

Yeah what's important is to make it easy for MCPS to shuffle people who shouldn't be around kids to different schools. Parents should know their place and not question the safety of their kids.

I don't have a particular opinion on this case, but I do have an opinion on whether parents are part of the human resources team at any school. They are not. Just as I don't expect to make personnel decisions at Safeway just because I shop there, I don't expect to have a say in HR processes at mcps just because my kids attend a certain school.

Okay, that’s just BS. If this is the case, then why are parents included on interview panels for administrators? Parents are stakeholders. They are leaving their children for 6-7 hours in the care of adults. It’s reasonable for them to have some say. If I ever have to leave my kids alone at Safeway for hours and hours because it’s required by law (like compulsory schooling is), I guess I might want to be engaged in the HR processes there.

I don't believe there are interview panels for assistant principals.

Oh come on now. The point is that the community DOES have a huge say in everything that goes on in a school. As they should. Safeway does not have a PTA equivalent lol. Again, GTFO

That is nowhere near true.

It is. As a parent I sit in on my school’s leadership meetings every month. There is also PTA meetings. There are also many many surveys and decisions made by vote (calendars for example)

+1 It is part of MCPS's process to include community stakeholders in principal position interviews.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OLO/Resources/Files/2022_reports/OLOReport2022-11.pdf

Principal position interviews, yes. "Everything that goes on in a school", no.

Like it or not, parents are going to care what happens and what staff are around their kids. Public school staff acting like autocrats is not doing you any favors.

Don't know who you're arguing with. But there are obviously many things that go on in a school which parents have no say over. Yes, there are a few select parents invited to principal interview panels, but they have no real influence. All of the other positions are hired without any parent input. Of course parents care about staff, and they absolutely should. But that wasn't what the PP claimed.

Parents obviously cannot unilaterally make decisions. Staff can to a certain extent, but if parents feel those decisions are not in their children's best interest, they can and should speak out, and in doing so they can potentially have a say in anything that goes on in a school. The notion that parents should just stfu because they aren't "part of the human resources team" is preposterous. Parents speaking out is exactly how some schools avoid getting terrible administrators while others cannot. I can't tell you how offensive and ridiculous it is to suggest parents are somehow out of bounds in organizing against having a person who was forced out of another school shuffled to their school. That practice needs to stop. MCPS serves the community, not its employees but lately it has been clear they have their priorities way off. Community organizing by parents is the only solution.

No one said that they should.

Very clearly implied above so gtfooh

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This attitude is disgusting. MCPS protects abusers. Parents protect our children.

I don't have a particular opinion on this case, but I do have an opinion on whether parents are part of the human resources team at any school. They are not. Just as I don't expect to make personnel decisions at Safeway just because I shop there, I don't expect to have a say in HR processes at mcps just because my kids attend a certain school.

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Let's not forget McKnight was paid off and Biedleman probably was too. MCPS deserves ZERO leeway in shuffling people around who lost the trust of their previous school. They make me sick.

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It’s ridiculous to think that a 200 pound man is going to stomp on a 6 year old’s foot and not cause one single red mark or bruise. If he had they would have submitted it as evidence and the parent talking about 8,000 nerve endings would have written about how the student limped, or had bruises, or a fracture or a red marks.

An impartial judge said the video evidence didn’t support the student getting stepped on and instead supported the student was upset because the student who would leave the classroom and other areas and wander around was not getting his way.

It’s really sad to see this happen. This is why bo one wants to be a special Ed teacher either. No one wants the liability. The parent instead of acknowledging her child can be challenging is even upset he was prevented from eloping by grabbing his sweatshirt. Instead parents like this expect multiple people to follow their child around everyday all over school as the child decides they don’t want to stay in class or the cafeteria.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous to think that a 200 pound man is going to stomp on a 6 year old’s foot and not cause one single red mark or bruise. If he had they would have submitted it as evidence and the parent talking about 8,000 nerve endings would have written about how the student limped, or had bruises, or a fracture or a red marks.

An impartial judge said the video evidence didn’t support the student getting stepped on and instead supported the student was upset because the student who would leave the classroom and other areas and wander around was not getting his way.

It’s really sad to see this happen. This is why bo one wants to be a special Ed teacher either. No one wants the liability. The parent instead of acknowledging her child can be challenging is even upset he was prevented from eloping by grabbing his sweatshirt. Instead parents like this expect multiple people to follow their child around everyday all over school as the child decides they don’t want to stay in class or the cafeteria.

I hope you rot

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Anonymous wrote:I sat in court for the trial and feel compelled to respond to Moms statement.

First, the decision for her son to testify is a parent decision. If she didn’t want her son to testify she should have not allowed it. He testified because parents permitted it.

Her son did not provide clear testimony and was clearly confused on the stand. I agree he should never have testified but that’s what the parents permitted.

The video is not clear. We all saw in the courtroom that Mr. Winter stomps his foot but we did not see any contact made. Moco360 has not been fair with the reporting of this at all. You cannot see any contact made.

The judge in making her ruling pointed out that the child does not react as if contact had been made. Mom provides clear proof of that when she shares the 8000 nerve endings which only supports the lack of a reaction and the judges decision.

If her son was in such intense pain why did he not see the nurse? Why didn’t the assistant principal send him to the nurse when she learned of the accusation. The AP admitted he never went to the nurse.

Mom is also slanderous to Mr. Winter expressing thoughts that he has harmed other children when there is no proof whatsoever that has occurred.

Again, I was in court that day heard the testimony, saw the video, and it was clear that this was a very poor case that never should have gone to trial. Judge Burrell clearly felt even in the most favorable light that the prosecution did not present clear evidence, nor witnesses that provided credibility that a crime occurred.

I also was in court and agree with this completely. Winter was acquitted and cleared to return to work by MCPS. He deserves to work again. People need to accept that and stop this madness!

Yeah what's important is to make it easy for MCPS to shuffle people who shouldn't be around kids to different schools. Parents should know their place and not question the safety of their kids.

I don't have a particular opinion on this case, but I do have an opinion on whether parents are part of the human resources team at any school. They are not. Just as I don't expect to make personnel decisions at Safeway just because I shop there, I don't expect to have a say in HR processes at mcps just because my kids attend a certain school.

Okay, that’s just BS. If this is the case, then why are parents included on interview panels for administrators? Parents are stakeholders. They are leaving their children for 6-7 hours in the care of adults. It’s reasonable for them to have some say. If I ever have to leave my kids alone at Safeway for hours and hours because it’s required by law (like compulsory schooling is), I guess I might want to be engaged in the HR processes there.

I don't believe there are interview panels for assistant principals.

Oh come on now. The point is that the community DOES have a huge say in everything that goes on in a school. As they should. Safeway does not have a PTA equivalent lol. Again, GTFO

That is nowhere near true.

It is. As a parent I sit in on my school’s leadership meetings every month. There is also PTA meetings. There are also many many surveys and decisions made by vote (calendars for example)

+1 It is part of MCPS's process to include community stakeholders in principal position interviews.

https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/OLO/Resources/Files/2022_reports/OLOReport2022-11.pdf

Principal position interviews, yes. "Everything that goes on in a school", no.

Like it or not, parents are going to care what happens and what staff are around their kids. Public school staff acting like autocrats is not doing you any favors.

Don't know who you're arguing with. But there are obviously many things that go on in a school which parents have no say over. Yes, there are a few select parents invited to principal interview panels, but they have no real influence. All of the other positions are hired without any parent input. Of course parents care about staff, and they absolutely should. But that wasn't what the PP claimed.

Parents obviously cannot unilaterally make decisions. Staff can to a certain extent, but if parents feel those decisions are not in their children's best interest, they can and should speak out, and in doing so they can potentially have a say in anything that goes on in a school. The notion that parents should just stfu because they aren't "part of the human resources team" is preposterous. Parents speaking out is exactly how some schools avoid getting terrible administrators while others cannot. I can't tell you how offensive and ridiculous it is to suggest parents are somehow out of bounds in organizing against having a person who was forced out of another school shuffled to their school. That practice needs to stop. MCPS serves the community, not its employees but lately it has been clear they have their priorities way off. Community organizing by parents is the only solution.

No one said that they should.

Very clearly implied above so gtfooh

You lack reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:Be happy there is an administrator who is willing to not let kids do whatever they want. It appears that some parents get upset when their children cant do whatever they want whenever they want to.

News reports indicate

During the trial, several people testified that the student had difficulties staying in class for long periods and would often get up to walk around the school. On the day of the incident, the student left the cafeteria several times.


During a roughly five-hour bench trial, Montgomery County Circuit Judge Sharon Burrell said the student was inconsistent in his testimony and that he showed no outward signs of pain in the video. She said the state didn’t prove whether the student was upset because his foot was stomped on or if it was because he was scared or upset about having to do something he didn’t want to do.

There wasn’t even enough evidence to continue the trial. He was NOT acquitted, the case was so weak the judge dismissed the case.

Read your post. He did it. There were a million ways to handle it. This is abuse. A child with special needs may express pain differently. What if it were your child?

There was no case. Stop trying to ruin this man’s life.

Isn’t that what a judge said about the young man who raped a woman in an alley and there was an eye witness but the young man was from a good, wealthy, white family who had “never been in trouble” before?

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Anonymous wrote:Be happy there is an administrator who is willing to not let kids do whatever they want. It appears that some parents get upset when their children cant do whatever they want whenever they want to.

News reports indicate

During the trial, several people testified that the student had difficulties staying in class for long periods and would often get up to walk around the school. On the day of the incident, the student left the cafeteria several times.


During a roughly five-hour bench trial, Montgomery County Circuit Judge Sharon Burrell said the student was inconsistent in his testimony and that he showed no outward signs of pain in the video. She said the state didn’t prove whether the student was upset because his foot was stomped on or if it was because he was scared or upset about having to do something he didn’t want to do.

There wasn’t even enough evidence to continue the trial. He was NOT acquitted, the case was so weak the judge dismissed the case.

Read your post. He did it. There were a million ways to handle it. This is abuse. A child with special needs may express pain differently. What if it were your child?

There was no case. Stop trying to ruin this man’s life.

The original post was about how the elementary school community has a petition to keep him out of their building. No one is trying to ruin his life. Perhaps he should take a hint that he’s not exactly welcome back to schools and pursue something in offices away from kids. This is just not a good fit after everything that has happened

Since he was cleared by the courts and MCPS he should be allowed to continue his career. Making an argument not to permit him in a school is saying what happened in the courts and with his due process doesn’t matter. As a result you are saying he did do it when it was never proven which does in fact ruin him. Let’s also be honest he didn’t choose where to go, MCPS did.

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It sounds like he has already suffered a lot.

So what? No one at the school wants him there!

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Anonymous wrote:This thread honestly makes me concerned about the Rockville cluster now.

About the judgmental parents in this area? Yeah. +1

Well then, Ritchie Park can have him back. Clearly they’re a better area! Or better yet, send him to the Ws!

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Anonymous wrote:Let's not forget McKnight was paid off and Biedleman probably was too. MCPS deserves ZERO leeway in shuffling people around who lost the trust of their previous school. They make me sick.

We need to hold the BOE accountable.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous to think that a 200 pound man is going to stomp on a 6 year old’s foot and not cause one single red mark or bruise. If he had they would have submitted it as evidence and the parent talking about 8,000 nerve endings would have written about how the student limped, or had bruises, or a fracture or a red marks.

An impartial judge said the video evidence didn’t support the student getting stepped on and instead supported the student was upset because the student who would leave the classroom and other areas and wander around was not getting his way.

It’s really sad to see this happen. This is why bo one wants to be a special Ed teacher either. No one wants the liability. The parent instead of acknowledging her child can be challenging is even upset he was prevented from eloping by grabbing his sweatshirt. Instead parents like this expect multiple people to follow their child around everyday all over school as the child decides they don’t want to stay in class or the cafeteria.

I don't think this warranted criminal prosecution but he should be terminated from MCPS. It was clear he was physical and used force.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous to think that a 200 pound man is going to stomp on a 6 year old’s foot and not cause one single red mark or bruise. If he had they would have submitted it as evidence and the parent talking about 8,000 nerve endings would have written about how the student limped, or had bruises, or a fracture or a red marks.

An impartial judge said the video evidence didn’t support the student getting stepped on and instead supported the student was upset because the student who would leave the classroom and other areas and wander around was not getting his way.

It’s really sad to see this happen. This is why bo one wants to be a special Ed teacher either. No one wants the liability. The parent instead of acknowledging her child can be challenging is even upset he was prevented from eloping by grabbing his sweatshirt. Instead parents like this expect multiple people to follow their child around everyday all over school as the child decides they don’t want to stay in class or the cafeteria.

It is a shame what staff are expected to deal with every day with many out-of- control students. The public has no idea. Not saying any child should be hurt, and I don’t know what really happened in Winter’s case, but the level of student dysregulation and parent denial of it is astounding. A FOIA should be done on the number of workplace injuries incurred by staff from aggressive and often unmanageable students. It is not surprising why SpEd staffing is so precarious.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous to think that a 200 pound man is going to stomp on a 6 year old’s foot and not cause one single red mark or bruise. If he had they would have submitted it as evidence and the parent talking about 8,000 nerve endings would have written about how the student limped, or had bruises, or a fracture or a red marks.

An impartial judge said the video evidence didn’t support the student getting stepped on and instead supported the student was upset because the student who would leave the classroom and other areas and wander around was not getting his way.

It’s really sad to see this happen. This is why bo one wants to be a special Ed teacher either. No one wants the liability. The parent instead of acknowledging her child can be challenging is even upset he was prevented from eloping by grabbing his sweatshirt. Instead parents like this expect multiple people to follow their child around everyday all over school as the child decides they don’t want to stay in class or the cafeteria.

I don't think this warranted criminal prosecution but he should be terminated from MCPS. It was clear he was physical and used force.

Yes and his past behavior At Barnsley was taken into consideration when they removed him from RCV and listened to the community. This man wasn’t squeaky clean. Hats off to Dr. Taylor for proving he is a man of his word who is repairing the trust