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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

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I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

What is in a "typical" 2 years of IB math HL?
Which MCP HS offers the typical 2 years of IB Math course?
Why do people only talk about one HS's IB program (in this case, BCC)?

You can find more about the IBO Math here, SL classes are 1 year, HL classes are 2 years.

https://www.ibo.org/contentassets/5895a05412144fe890312bad52b17044/subject-brief-dp-math-analysis-and-approaches-en.pdf

IB in MCPS is a hodgepodge of everything so the experience is not uniform across high schools. Kennedy and Watkins Mill don’t even offer IB Math HL, only the SL version. Rockville does Math HL over two years. The better high schools like BCC require AP Calculus BC as the first year of IB Math HL.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

Not sure why you bring up that you didn’t take the HL IB Math class, but it shows, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re only here to post what your kid didn’t say four years ago. Indeed, that’s hilarious.

IB math covers learning standards like exponent laws and linear equations that sound like the broad thinking content from Algebra 1 class that some students take in 7th grade. I’m sure you’ll find that hilarious too. Of course RMIB will substitute that content with AP Calculus BC, but that’s not the case with every IB program.

If the Kennedy kid takes AP Calculus BC, what reason would they have for enrolling in IB math SL, or IB in general?

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

Not sure why you bring up that you didn’t take the HL IB Math class, but it shows, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re only here to post what your kid didn’t say four years ago. Indeed, that’s hilarious.

IB math covers learning standards like exponent laws and linear equations that sound like the broad thinking content from Algebra 1 class that some students take in 7th grade. I’m sure you’ll find that hilarious too. Of course RMIB will substitute that content with AP Calculus BC, but that’s not the case with every IB program.

If the Kennedy kid takes AP Calculus BC, what reason would they have for enrolling in IB math SL, or IB in general?

To get the IBDP and if they like math?

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

Not sure why you bring up that you didn’t take the HL IB Math class, but it shows, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re only here to post what your kid didn’t say four years ago. Indeed, that’s hilarious.

IB math covers learning standards like exponent laws and linear equations that sound like the broad thinking content from Algebra 1 class that some students take in 7th grade. I’m sure you’ll find that hilarious too. Of course RMIB will substitute that content with AP Calculus BC, but that’s not the case with every IB program.

If the Kennedy kid takes AP Calculus BC, what reason would they have for enrolling in IB math SL, or IB in general?

To get the IBDP and if they like math?

What’s the IBDP piece of paper good for? If the student likes math and took AP Calculus BC, then IB Math SL is a joke and a waste of time. They are better off with AP Statistics or Multivariable Calculus at the local community college. It’s a greater benefit to their education, college admissions, and will save them money in college tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

Off topic, but what college did the kid end up at with those stats coming from an IB program?

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

Not sure why you bring up that you didn’t take the HL IB Math class, but it shows, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re only here to post what your kid didn’t say four years ago. Indeed, that’s hilarious.

IB math covers learning standards like exponent laws and linear equations that sound like the broad thinking content from Algebra 1 class that some students take in 7th grade. I’m sure you’ll find that hilarious too. Of course RMIB will substitute that content with AP Calculus BC, but that’s not the case with every IB program.

If the Kennedy kid takes AP Calculus BC, what reason would they have for enrolling in IB math SL, or IB in general?

To get the IBDP and if they like math?

What’s the IBDP piece of paper good for? If the student likes math and took AP Calculus BC, then IB Math SL is a joke and a waste of time. They are better off with AP Statistics or Multivariable Calculus at the local community college. It’s a greater benefit to their education, college admissions, and will save them money in college tuition.

NP. If someone just cares about math, as it sounds like you do, then AP is fine. If someone wants a more well-rounded experience, doing advanced coursework in a range of subjects with an emphasis on writing, then IB is fine. Why do you care what decisions other people's kids are making?

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

Not sure why you bring up that you didn’t take the HL IB Math class, but it shows, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re only here to post what your kid didn’t say four years ago. Indeed, that’s hilarious.

IB math covers learning standards like exponent laws and linear equations that sound like the broad thinking content from Algebra 1 class that some students take in 7th grade. I’m sure you’ll find that hilarious too. Of course RMIB will substitute that content with AP Calculus BC, but that’s not the case with every IB program.

If the Kennedy kid takes AP Calculus BC, what reason would they have for enrolling in IB math SL, or IB in general?

To get the IBDP and if they like math?

What’s the IBDP piece of paper good for? If the student likes math and took AP Calculus BC, then IB Math SL is a joke and a waste of time. They are better off with AP Statistics or Multivariable Calculus at the local community college. It’s a greater benefit to their education, college admissions, and will save them money in college tuition.

NP. If someone just cares about math, as it sounds like you do, then AP is fine. If someone wants a more well-rounded experience, doing advanced coursework in a range of subjects with an emphasis on writing, then IB is fine. Why do you care what decisions other people's kids are making?

If someone cares about math, then IB is not fine.

Why are you objecting to people posting on a thread where the OP literally asked for opinions on IB programs?

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

Not sure why you bring up that you didn’t take the HL IB Math class, but it shows, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re only here to post what your kid didn’t say four years ago. Indeed, that’s hilarious.

IB math covers learning standards like exponent laws and linear equations that sound like the broad thinking content from Algebra 1 class that some students take in 7th grade. I’m sure you’ll find that hilarious too. Of course RMIB will substitute that content with AP Calculus BC, but that’s not the case with every IB program.

If the Kennedy kid takes AP Calculus BC, what reason would they have for enrolling in IB math SL, or IB in general?

To get the IBDP and if they like math?

What’s the IBDP piece of paper good for? If the student likes math and took AP Calculus BC, then IB Math SL is a joke and a waste of time. They are better off with AP Statistics or Multivariable Calculus at the local community college. It’s a greater benefit to their education, college admissions, and will save them money in college tuition.

NP. If someone just cares about math, as it sounds like you do, then AP is fine. If someone wants a more well-rounded experience, doing advanced coursework in a range of subjects with an emphasis on writing, then IB is fine. Why do you care what decisions other people's kids are making?

If someone cares about math, then IB is not fine.

Why are you objecting to people posting on a thread where the OP literally asked for opinions on IB programs?

IB is perfectly fine for someone who cares about math and also cares about other things - like history, English, language, and science. The first year of math HL is AP Calculus BC, as has been pointed out in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

.

I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

Not sure why you bring up that you didn’t take the HL IB Math class, but it shows, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re only here to post what your kid didn’t say four years ago. Indeed, that’s hilarious.

IB math covers learning standards like exponent laws and linear equations that sound like the broad thinking content from Algebra 1 class that some students take in 7th grade. I’m sure you’ll find that hilarious too. Of course RMIB will substitute that content with AP Calculus BC, but that’s not the case with every IB program.

If the Kennedy kid takes AP Calculus BC, what reason would they have for enrolling in IB math SL, or IB in general?

To get the IBDP and if they like math?

What’s the IBDP piece of paper good for? If the student likes math and took AP Calculus BC, then IB Math SL is a joke and a waste of time. They are better off with AP Statistics or Multivariable Calculus at the local community college. It’s a greater benefit to their education, college admissions, and will save them money in college tuition.

NP. If someone just cares about math, as it sounds like you do, then AP is fine. If someone wants a more well-rounded experience, doing advanced coursework in a range of subjects with an emphasis on writing, then IB is fine. Why do you care what decisions other people's kids are making?

If someone cares about math, then IB is not fine.

Why are you objecting to people posting on a thread where the OP literally asked for opinions on IB programs?

IB is perfectly fine for someone who cares about math and also cares about other things - like history, English, language, and science. The first year of math HL is AP Calculus BC, as has been pointed out in this thread.

It’s not at our school.

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Anonymous wrote:BCC parent here. Our college counselor said go for AP for strongest applications and that the top 20 have difficulty figuring out what to do with IB applicants. AP may be a scam like past posters say but it is the way it works.

BCC parent here. Our kid did full IB and it was a good experience for itself and also had good success woth college admissions.

If it’s really true a college counsellor said T20 colleges “don’t know what to do” with IB DP candidates then that says more about tue college counselor than IB.

Speaking of BCC.

You know IB Math is crap when the first year of the Math HL AA is … AP Calculus BC! I wonder why.

Also, no IB Chemistry at higher level offered.

If you want to do STEM, go full AP don’t waste your time with IB busy work like art, theory of knowledge, creativity activities and extended essay.

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I mean I don’t really disagree that if you are a stem-focused kid then the DP might not be for you but even assuming you are right that IB and AP math curricula overlap, I’m not sure why that indicates IB is crap?

What does it indicate to you? Virtually every decent IB program like RMIB makes AP Calculus BC a prerequisite.

If IB Math prepares students well, there would be no motivation to change to Calculus BC.

But since IB math is not very good and many incoming students are accelerated in math, it makes most sense to keep them on the AP path and do IB Math in 12th grade only because it’s required for the diploma.

I have no idea what you are trying to say but if you think everyone should take BC calculus in 10th grade then I’m not that interested

Let me clarify it for you. At BCC, the IB Math consists of one year of AP Calculus BC, and one year of IB Math HL, instead of the typical two years of IB Math HL.

Interested or not, at BCC you can’t do IB Math HL without taking AP calculus BC. That’s because the IB curriculum is lacking and needs to be supplemented.

Can't students take 2 years of SL IB Math? Or is that level not offered in IB programs at MCPS' IB high schools?

No, they are one year classes.

SL courses are recommended to have at least 150
hours of instructional time, and HL courses are recommended
to have at least 240 instructional hours.
In most cases both SL and HL courses consist of the same ed-
ucational aims, core syllabus and curriculum and assessment
models. HL courses typically also include a range of additional
elements designed to allow students to explore areas of inter-
est within the subject in more depth.

https://www.ibo.org/globalassets/new-structure/programmes/dp/pdfs/slhl-brief-en.pdf

IB HL math covers several years of math -- from algebra to calc. Here's a good explanation:

https://www.quora.com/How-different-or-similar-are-IB-Math-SL-and-AP-Calculus-AB

- IB Math SL: Covers a broader range of topics, including algebra, statistics, and functions, in addition to calculus. It also includes a strong emphasis on mathematical reasoning and communication.
- AP Calculus AB: Primarily focuses on differential and integral calculus. It is more specialized and in-depth in calculus topics compared to IB Math SL.

- IB Math SL: While it includes calculus, it also covers other areas of mathematics, providing a more holistic view of the subject.
- AP Calculus AB: Goes deeper into calculus concepts and prepares students for more advanced calculus courses in college.

Above is why kids also take BC Calc. IB is about broader thinking. AP Calc just focuses on calc.

BTW, my kid was at RMIB, took HL IB math, as well as AP BC calc -- both exams, got a 7 and 5 respectively (also took multivariable calc and got 800 math SAT score). They are very strong in math and is a dual math/CS major in college, now a senior (4.0 - I put that there to show that DC is really a strong math student so that people realize that strong math students can also go the IB route).

The strong math students in IB take starting with 9th: Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, Multivariable, IB Math HL.

In AP they take Precalculus, AP Calculus BC, AP Statistics. There is the option for post AP classes from Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra and Differential Equations. If you’re interested in math that’s a better route instead of reviewing the quadratic equation in IB Math HL, which btw is not about broader thinking, it just a review of the lower level math like numbers, algebra, geometry. It’s like integrated math classes, but done poorly.

Sure strong math students can go the IB route at RMIB where they’ll load on AP and post AP/IB classes like Multivariable. The strong math students taking the IB route at Kennedy end up in a bad spot exhausting the most advanced IB Math SL offering in 10th grade.

well, I didn't actually take the HL IB math class, DC did, and didn't say it was just a review of their 7th grade Algebra class. That's hilarious.

Doesn't Kennedy have AP BC Calc?

Not sure why you bring up that you didn’t take the HL IB Math class, but it shows, you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re only here to post what your kid didn’t say four years ago. Indeed, that’s hilarious.

IB math covers learning standards like exponent laws and linear equations that sound like the broad thinking content from Algebra 1 class that some students take in 7th grade. I’m sure you’ll find that hilarious too. Of course RMIB will substitute that content with AP Calculus BC, but that’s not the case with every IB program.

If the Kennedy kid takes AP Calculus BC, what reason would they have for enrolling in IB math SL, or IB in general?

To get the IBDP and if they like math?

What’s the IBDP piece of paper good for? If the student likes math and took AP Calculus BC, then IB Math SL is a joke and a waste of time. They are better off with AP Statistics or Multivariable Calculus at the local community college. It’s a greater benefit to their education, college admissions, and will save them money in college tuition.

NP. If someone just cares about math, as it sounds like you do, then AP is fine. If someone wants a more well-rounded experience, doing advanced coursework in a range of subjects with an emphasis on writing, then IB is fine. Why do you care what decisions other people's kids are making?

If someone cares about math, then IB is not fine.

Why are you objecting to people posting on a thread where the OP literally asked for opinions on IB programs?

IB is perfectly fine for someone who cares about math and also cares about other things - like history, English, language, and science. The first year of math HL is AP Calculus BC, as has been pointed out in this thread.

It’s not at our school.

Have you talked to the math department head whether that is an option (even if most people don't do it)?