Is anyone else depressed about MAGA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.

You must not be a POC.
I’m Black and saw this political nightmare coming in 2016.
Blacks have dealt with this crap all our lives, welcome to it.
Eddie Glaude said it best.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QKiB0APdxTo

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.

I despise the MAGA movement and consider it a threat to our country’s freedom.

What saddens me, however, is the rabid partisanship and stereotyping on both sides that the OP demonstrates.

While there are undoubtedly some voters on the Republican side (and in any large group, including the Democrats), who are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and/or homophobic, most aren’t. They range the full spectrum from the incredibly good to the incredibly bad, with most falling somewhere in the middle.

Some of them have been misguided by right-wing media. Some may agree with Democrats on many issues, but have an issue of primary concern to them that they can’t accept the Democrat’s position. Moreover, nobody likes to be unjustly vilified. Telling someone that they are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic because they disagree with you isn’t likely to get them on your side, and is hardly convincing that you’re open-minded and tolerant.

I’m a conservative who intends to vote a straight Democratic ticket, because I recognize that defending our liberty takes priority over all other issues. You have to decide what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to demonize MAGA voters or to try to turn some of their votes? Stereotyping them and labeling them so negatively may allow you to feel smug and self-righteous, and even gather accolades from those who are like-minded, but you already have those votes. If that’s your priority, then I guess you can all feel smug and self-righteous if Republicans win and the country starts to go to Hell in Trump’s handbasket. On the other hand, if you want to prioritize winning the election, then I suggest treating Republicans like their vote would actually be welcome.

People are complex and so are the issues. You probably have some common ground with every MAGA candidate. Maybe you disagree on abortion and guns, but you can agree that grocery prices are too high. Maybe you disagree on fiscal policy, but you’re both pro-choice. Trump is not conservative. In a lot of ways, the parties have flipped. The Democrats are the ones defending the Constitution, fighting Russian invasion, have a former prosecutor in what appears to be a stable relationship as opposed to Trump who is covered with every kind of moral slime imaginable, not to mention his actual crimes. Trump is also pretty stupid for a “very stable genius” who has no filter and eight years of verbal diarrhea, not to mention his Tweets. Instead of attacking Trump voters, find out what they care about and show them how the Democrats can represent them better. In most cases, you can probably find a quote from Trump, himself, to make your point.

People talk about right and left like politics is a straight line with two opposite poles. I think that it’s actually like a circle. As you go further away from the political “center”, each side becomes more extreme until they meet on the side opposite the “center” at tyranny. Whether the tyrant labels himself a fascist or a communist, the politics doesn’t really matter. Whatever slogans he may spout, the only thing a tyrant really cares about is himself. Politics under a dictator are just the lever he used to seize power. Right now, I fear we stand at the edge of that cliff and Trump wants to push us over the edge. We must stop him. However, even if he is stopped, the divisiveness in this country with its fear-mongering and hatred leaves us vulnerable to the rise of others who would have similar ambitions, and they’ll use whichever side they feel they can exploit. Stopping Trump is vital, but it’s not enough. We must come together so we can’t be used against each other.

We need to win this election, and we need to come together with our fellow citizens. We are the UNITED States of America, and as Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” We must look for common ground ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error.

‘ I can agree to disagree unless your position is rooted in my oppression’
No, Sorry, NOT sorry.
Trump is a racist, his policies and playbook are racists. He had White Supremacists in the White House. So if you support that, if you are willing to overlook that because you think he will fix immigration or cut your toe nails for free, then that makes you a racist.
FULL STOP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Modern society has bred a simmering anger in a lot of people. I attribute it to loss of community and feeling “unimportant” compared to the mass of celebrity and wealth culture that’s promulgated by the mass media. In 1940 you could feel good about living in a small town, participating in church, running a small business or farm, and being a “big fish in a small pond.” It provided the emotional support for a satisfying life. Today we’re isolated and resentful. We constantly compare ourselves to pop celebrities and billionaires and feel worthless. The anger builds and the MAGA bullies are able to harness it for political ends.

"Modern society"

Nope, it was the racists to took a front that a black man was elected president and now we are on the verge of re-litigating the civil war, jim crow and the 19th amendment.

Exactly!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This has been a violent, bigoted, anti-intellectual, corrupt country for most of its existence. The new thing is that what historically was brutality, oppression, and corruption by local and state ruling clans/sects/conspirators has become a nationalized movement due to technology advancements.

America has never been more racist than it is today!

Slavery genius. And I’m voting a straight Democratic ticket. Maybe you mean America has always been racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that I’m depressed but I sure as hell don’t respect this country anymore and have lost the last shred of my patriotism. I can’t believe that that POS is running for a 3rd time and that there are still many millions willing to vote for him—fool me once but fool me three times?!

You do realize Democrats have been in charge 12 of last 16 years?

Good Lord! This!!!! And the four years the Dems weren’t in control “that POS” had the best economy, Middle East peace accords, low interest rates, cheap gas, major cities were safer and liveable, we had affordable groceries and he was building a flipping wall to control the unfettered immigration. But he is “mean” and “January 6”. Guess what? No. one. cares. I want quality of life to return to this country for all Americans. It boggles the mind that Dems can’t see this and it is probably why “that POS” is probably going to win.

this x infinity

I have been saying a version of this for so long. No one cares that Kamala is nice. No one cares that Tim Walz is the neighborly guy that makes a mean tater tot hot dish. No one cares that Trump is an idiot. No one cares about Jan 6. No one cares about his convictions. People care about who gets it done. I literally don't give 2 craps about Trump as a person. I just know that he can do the job and Harris and Walz got nothing going for them other than JOY. It's a no brainer for most.

What did Trump “get done”? Admit you just want a dictator because you don’t have the patience for democracy.

Tell us what a "democracy" is. Please. In your own words.

I'm not PP, but to me a "democracy" is when leaders are elected by the people, and candidates (whether incumbent or challenge) respect the results of those elections.

And what about the people who did not vote for those leaders, commonly referred to as the minority?

Are they just screwed?

This is why our country is not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic.

8th grade civics class - go reread your book.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that I’m depressed but I sure as hell don’t respect this country anymore and have lost the last shred of my patriotism. I can’t believe that that POS is running for a 3rd time and that there are still many millions willing to vote for him—fool me once but fool me three times?!

You do realize Democrats have been in charge 12 of last 16 years?

Good Lord! This!!!! And the four years the Dems weren’t in control “that POS” had the best economy, Middle East peace accords, low interest rates, cheap gas, major cities were safer and liveable, we had affordable groceries and he was building a flipping wall to control the unfettered immigration. But he is “mean” and “January 6”. Guess what? No. one. cares. I want quality of life to return to this country for all Americans. It boggles the mind that Dems can’t see this and it is probably why “that POS” is probably going to win.

He did not build a wall dum-dum
Mexico did not pay for a wall
The economy shut down during COVID so yea
His handling of COVID has had negative reverberating affects on inflation so yea
groceries are high
Cheap gas because OPEC lowered prices because the world was shutdown
Do you realize we live in a GLOBAL world economy?
How does the President determine gas prices?
How stupid can people be?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that I’m depressed but I sure as hell don’t respect this country anymore and have lost the last shred of my patriotism. I can’t believe that that POS is running for a 3rd time and that there are still many millions willing to vote for him—fool me once but fool me three times?!

You do realize Democrats have been in charge 12 of last 16 years?

Good Lord! This!!!! And the four years the Dems weren’t in control “that POS” had the best economy, Middle East peace accords, low interest rates, cheap gas, major cities were safer and liveable, we had affordable groceries and he was building a flipping wall to control the unfettered immigration. But he is “mean” and “January 6”. Guess what? No. one. cares. I want quality of life to return to this country for all Americans. It boggles the mind that Dems can’t see this and it is probably why “that POS” is probably going to win.

Trump failed in every crisis. He added trillions of dollars to our debt. His Jan 6 behavior was unforgivable.

He has shown himself time and again to be interested in only himself. Presidents are supposed to take care of all Americans and he failed miserably.

Keep yapping. No. One. Cares. We all know life was better under Trump and that’s why he will win. We are all sick of living in the Democrat’s twisted upside down.

Huh? Life was way worse under Trump. Women lost reproductive protection. Constant chaos and uncertainty. Would dotard start WW3. Tax cuts for extremely rich. Etc. Total nightmare.

Women lost reproductive protection under BIDEN. Not Trump.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that I’m depressed but I sure as hell don’t respect this country anymore and have lost the last shred of my patriotism. I can’t believe that that POS is running for a 3rd time and that there are still many millions willing to vote for him—fool me once but fool me three times?!

You do realize Democrats have been in charge 12 of last 16 years?

Good Lord! This!!!! And the four years the Dems weren’t in control “that POS” had the best economy, Middle East peace accords, low interest rates, cheap gas, major cities were safer and liveable, we had affordable groceries and he was building a flipping wall to control the unfettered immigration. But he is “mean” and “January 6”. Guess what? No. one. cares. I want quality of life to return to this country for all Americans. It boggles the mind that Dems can’t see this and it is probably why “that POS” is probably going to win.

Trump failed in every crisis. He added trillions of dollars to our debt. His Jan 6 behavior was unforgivable.

He has shown himself time and again to be interested in only himself. Presidents are supposed to take care of all Americans and he failed miserably.

Keep yapping. No. One. Cares. We all know life was better under Trump and that’s why he will win. We are all sick of living in the Democrat’s twisted upside down.

Huh? Life was way worse under Trump. Women lost reproductive protection. Constant chaos and uncertainty. Would dotard start WW3. Tax cuts for extremely rich. Etc. Total nightmare.

Women lost reproductive protection under BIDEN. Not Trump.

OMG, are you really this stupid? Reproductive freedom has been lost because of Trump's Supreme Court picks and because of legislatures and governors in red states. The Biden admin has done NOTHING to lessen reproductive freedom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that I’m depressed but I sure as hell don’t respect this country anymore and have lost the last shred of my patriotism. I can’t believe that that POS is running for a 3rd time and that there are still many millions willing to vote for him—fool me once but fool me three times?!

You do realize Democrats have been in charge 12 of last 16 years?

Good Lord! This!!!! And the four years the Dems weren’t in control “that POS” had the best economy, Middle East peace accords, low interest rates, cheap gas, major cities were safer and liveable, we had affordable groceries and he was building a flipping wall to control the unfettered immigration. But he is “mean” and “January 6”. Guess what? No. one. cares. I want quality of life to return to this country for all Americans. It boggles the mind that Dems can’t see this and it is probably why “that POS” is probably going to win.

Trump failed in every crisis. He added trillions of dollars to our debt. His Jan 6 behavior was unforgivable.

He has shown himself time and again to be interested in only himself. Presidents are supposed to take care of all Americans and he failed miserably.

Keep yapping. No. One. Cares. We all know life was better under Trump and that’s why he will win. We are all sick of living in the Democrat’s twisted upside down.

Huh? Life was way worse under Trump. Women lost reproductive protection. Constant chaos and uncertainty. Would dotard start WW3. Tax cuts for extremely rich. Etc. Total nightmare.

Women lost reproductive protection under BIDEN. Not Trump.

You really are that stupid aren’t you.
Just say you have no idea how the government works.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know that I’m depressed but I sure as hell don’t respect this country anymore and have lost the last shred of my patriotism. I can’t believe that that POS is running for a 3rd time and that there are still many millions willing to vote for him—fool me once but fool me three times?!

You do realize Democrats have been in charge 12 of last 16 years?

Good Lord! This!!!! And the four years the Dems weren’t in control “that POS” had the best economy, Middle East peace accords, low interest rates, cheap gas, major cities were safer and liveable, we had affordable groceries and he was building a flipping wall to control the unfettered immigration. But he is “mean” and “January 6”. Guess what? No. one. cares. I want quality of life to return to this country for all Americans. It boggles the mind that Dems can’t see this and it is probably why “that POS” is probably going to win.

this x infinity

I have been saying a version of this for so long. No one cares that Kamala is nice. No one cares that Tim Walz is the neighborly guy that makes a mean tater tot hot dish. No one cares that Trump is an idiot. No one cares about Jan 6. No one cares about his convictions. People care about who gets it done. I literally don't give 2 craps about Trump as a person. I just know that he can do the job and Harris and Walz got nothing going for them other than JOY. It's a no brainer for most.

What did Trump “get done”? Admit you just want a dictator because you don’t have the patience for democracy.

Tell us what a "democracy" is. Please. In your own words.

I'm not PP, but to me a "democracy" is when leaders are elected by the people, and candidates (whether incumbent or challenge) respect the results of those elections.

And what about the people who did not vote for those leaders, commonly referred to as the minority?

Are they just screwed?

This is why our country is not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic.

8th grade civics class - go reread your book.

We are a representational democracy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.

I despise the MAGA movement and consider it a threat to our country’s freedom.

What saddens me, however, is the rabid partisanship and stereotyping on both sides that the OP demonstrates.

While there are undoubtedly some voters on the Republican side (and in any large group, including the Democrats), who are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and/or homophobic, most aren’t. They range the full spectrum from the incredibly good to the incredibly bad, with most falling somewhere in the middle.

Some of them have been misguided by right-wing media. Some may agree with Democrats on many issues, but have an issue of primary concern to them that they can’t accept the Democrat’s position. Moreover, nobody likes to be unjustly vilified. Telling someone that they are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic because they disagree with you isn’t likely to get them on your side, and is hardly convincing that you’re open-minded and tolerant.

I’m a conservative who intends to vote a straight Democratic ticket, because I recognize that defending our liberty takes priority over all other issues. You have to decide what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to demonize MAGA voters or to try to turn some of their votes? Stereotyping them and labeling them so negatively may allow you to feel smug and self-righteous, and even gather accolades from those who are like-minded, but you already have those votes. If that’s your priority, then I guess you can all feel smug and self-righteous if Republicans win and the country starts to go to Hell in Trump’s handbasket. On the other hand, if you want to prioritize winning the election, then I suggest treating Republicans like their vote would actually be welcome.

People are complex and so are the issues. You probably have some common ground with every MAGA candidate. Maybe you disagree on abortion and guns, but you can agree that grocery prices are too high. Maybe you disagree on fiscal policy, but you’re both pro-choice. Trump is not conservative. In a lot of ways, the parties have flipped. The Democrats are the ones defending the Constitution, fighting Russian invasion, have a former prosecutor in what appears to be a stable relationship as opposed to Trump who is covered with every kind of moral slime imaginable, not to mention his actual crimes. Trump is also pretty stupid for a “very stable genius” who has no filter and eight years of verbal diarrhea, not to mention his Tweets. Instead of attacking Trump voters, find out what they care about and show them how the Democrats can represent them better. In most cases, you can probably find a quote from Trump, himself, to make your point.

People talk about right and left like politics is a straight line with two opposite poles. I think that it’s actually like a circle. As you go further away from the political “center”, each side becomes more extreme until they meet on the side opposite the “center” at tyranny. Whether the tyrant labels himself a fascist or a communist, the politics doesn’t really matter. Whatever slogans he may spout, the only thing a tyrant really cares about is himself. Politics under a dictator are just the lever he used to seize power. Right now, I fear we stand at the edge of that cliff and Trump wants to push us over the edge. We must stop him. However, even if he is stopped, the divisiveness in this country with its fear-mongering and hatred leaves us vulnerable to the rise of others who would have similar ambitions, and they’ll use whichever side they feel they can exploit. Stopping Trump is vital, but it’s not enough. We must come together so we can’t be used against each other.

We need to win this election, and we need to come together with our fellow citizens. We are the UNITED States of America, and as Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” We must look for common ground ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error.

‘ I can agree to disagree unless your position is rooted in my oppression’
No, Sorry, NOT sorry.
Trump is a racist, his policies and playbook are racists. He had White Supremacists in the White House. So if you support that, if you are willing to overlook that because you think he will fix immigration or cut your toe nails for free, then that makes you a racist.
FULL STOP.

You are part of the problem and why perhaps we are indeed close to a civil war....I 100% agree with PP's statement above that "We must look for common ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error."

Society will fall as both sides continue to view everything through a "black and white" lens. Most issues have gray areas.

As to some of the other posts I've seen on this thread. Here's my reality -- I don't care about anything that doesn't affect me and my family -- my kids and their ability to have a good, stable and healthy life. With jobs that they enjoy and partners they eventually find to love and hopefully someday grandkids. I may have to homeschool any future grandkids but either way I will ensure they get to watch/read classics that haven't been "cancelled" or "banned" by either party.

I choose to shut out any and all distractions from both dysfunctional political parties. To answer OP's original question, no I'm not depressed about MAGA because frankly my dear I don't give a damn about MAGA...however, I'm more depressed about the state of our entire society as a nation divided that will continue to be divided regardless of who wins.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.

I despise the MAGA movement and consider it a threat to our country’s freedom.

What saddens me, however, is the rabid partisanship and stereotyping on both sides that the OP demonstrates.

While there are undoubtedly some voters on the Republican side (and in any large group, including the Democrats), who are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and/or homophobic, most aren’t. They range the full spectrum from the incredibly good to the incredibly bad, with most falling somewhere in the middle.

Some of them have been misguided by right-wing media. Some may agree with Democrats on many issues, but have an issue of primary concern to them that they can’t accept the Democrat’s position. Moreover, nobody likes to be unjustly vilified. Telling someone that they are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic because they disagree with you isn’t likely to get them on your side, and is hardly convincing that you’re open-minded and tolerant.

I’m a conservative who intends to vote a straight Democratic ticket, because I recognize that defending our liberty takes priority over all other issues. You have to decide what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to demonize MAGA voters or to try to turn some of their votes? Stereotyping them and labeling them so negatively may allow you to feel smug and self-righteous, and even gather accolades from those who are like-minded, but you already have those votes. If that’s your priority, then I guess you can all feel smug and self-righteous if Republicans win and the country starts to go to Hell in Trump’s handbasket. On the other hand, if you want to prioritize winning the election, then I suggest treating Republicans like their vote would actually be welcome.

People are complex and so are the issues. You probably have some common ground with every MAGA candidate. Maybe you disagree on abortion and guns, but you can agree that grocery prices are too high. Maybe you disagree on fiscal policy, but you’re both pro-choice. Trump is not conservative. In a lot of ways, the parties have flipped. The Democrats are the ones defending the Constitution, fighting Russian invasion, have a former prosecutor in what appears to be a stable relationship as opposed to Trump who is covered with every kind of moral slime imaginable, not to mention his actual crimes. Trump is also pretty stupid for a “very stable genius” who has no filter and eight years of verbal diarrhea, not to mention his Tweets. Instead of attacking Trump voters, find out what they care about and show them how the Democrats can represent them better. In most cases, you can probably find a quote from Trump, himself, to make your point.

People talk about right and left like politics is a straight line with two opposite poles. I think that it’s actually like a circle. As you go further away from the political “center”, each side becomes more extreme until they meet on the side opposite the “center” at tyranny. Whether the tyrant labels himself a fascist or a communist, the politics doesn’t really matter. Whatever slogans he may spout, the only thing a tyrant really cares about is himself. Politics under a dictator are just the lever he used to seize power. Right now, I fear we stand at the edge of that cliff and Trump wants to push us over the edge. We must stop him. However, even if he is stopped, the divisiveness in this country with its fear-mongering and hatred leaves us vulnerable to the rise of others who would have similar ambitions, and they’ll use whichever side they feel they can exploit. Stopping Trump is vital, but it’s not enough. We must come together so we can’t be used against each other.

We need to win this election, and we need to come together with our fellow citizens. We are the UNITED States of America, and as Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” We must look for common ground ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error.

‘ I can agree to disagree unless your position is rooted in my oppression’
No, Sorry, NOT sorry.
Trump is a racist, his policies and playbook are racists. He had White Supremacists in the White House. So if you support that, if you are willing to overlook that because you think he will fix immigration or cut your toe nails for free, then that makes you a racist.
FULL STOP.

You are part of the problem and why perhaps we are indeed close to a civil war....I 100% agree with PP's statement above that "We must look for common ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error."

Society will fall as both sides continue to view everything through a "black and white" lens. Most issues have gray areas.

As to some of the other posts I've seen on this thread. Here's my reality -- I don't care about anything that doesn't affect me and my family -- my kids and their ability to have a good, stable and healthy life. With jobs that they enjoy and partners they eventually find to love and hopefully someday grandkids. I may have to homeschool any future grandkids but either way I will ensure they get to watch/read classics that haven't been "cancelled" or "banned" by either party.

I choose to shut out any and all distractions from both dysfunctional political parties. To answer OP's original question, no I'm not depressed about MAGA because frankly my dear I don't give a damn about MAGA...however, I'm more depressed about the state of our entire society as a nation divided that will continue to be divided regardless of who wins.

^Correction...I will ensure they do get to watch/read classics that have been "cancelled" or "banned" by either party.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.

I despise the MAGA movement and consider it a threat to our country’s freedom.

What saddens me, however, is the rabid partisanship and stereotyping on both sides that the OP demonstrates.

While there are undoubtedly some voters on the Republican side (and in any large group, including the Democrats), who are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and/or homophobic, most aren’t. They range the full spectrum from the incredibly good to the incredibly bad, with most falling somewhere in the middle.

Some of them have been misguided by right-wing media. Some may agree with Democrats on many issues, but have an issue of primary concern to them that they can’t accept the Democrat’s position. Moreover, nobody likes to be unjustly vilified. Telling someone that they are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic because they disagree with you isn’t likely to get them on your side, and is hardly convincing that you’re open-minded and tolerant.

I’m a conservative who intends to vote a straight Democratic ticket, because I recognize that defending our liberty takes priority over all other issues. You have to decide what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to demonize MAGA voters or to try to turn some of their votes? Stereotyping them and labeling them so negatively may allow you to feel smug and self-righteous, and even gather accolades from those who are like-minded, but you already have those votes. If that’s your priority, then I guess you can all feel smug and self-righteous if Republicans win and the country starts to go to Hell in Trump’s handbasket. On the other hand, if you want to prioritize winning the election, then I suggest treating Republicans like their vote would actually be welcome.

People are complex and so are the issues. You probably have some common ground with every MAGA candidate. Maybe you disagree on abortion and guns, but you can agree that grocery prices are too high. Maybe you disagree on fiscal policy, but you’re both pro-choice. Trump is not conservative. In a lot of ways, the parties have flipped. The Democrats are the ones defending the Constitution, fighting Russian invasion, have a former prosecutor in what appears to be a stable relationship as opposed to Trump who is covered with every kind of moral slime imaginable, not to mention his actual crimes. Trump is also pretty stupid for a “very stable genius” who has no filter and eight years of verbal diarrhea, not to mention his Tweets. Instead of attacking Trump voters, find out what they care about and show them how the Democrats can represent them better. In most cases, you can probably find a quote from Trump, himself, to make your point.

People talk about right and left like politics is a straight line with two opposite poles. I think that it’s actually like a circle. As you go further away from the political “center”, each side becomes more extreme until they meet on the side opposite the “center” at tyranny. Whether the tyrant labels himself a fascist or a communist, the politics doesn’t really matter. Whatever slogans he may spout, the only thing a tyrant really cares about is himself. Politics under a dictator are just the lever he used to seize power. Right now, I fear we stand at the edge of that cliff and Trump wants to push us over the edge. We must stop him. However, even if he is stopped, the divisiveness in this country with its fear-mongering and hatred leaves us vulnerable to the rise of others who would have similar ambitions, and they’ll use whichever side they feel they can exploit. Stopping Trump is vital, but it’s not enough. We must come together so we can’t be used against each other.

We need to win this election, and we need to come together with our fellow citizens. We are the UNITED States of America, and as Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” We must look for common ground ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error.

‘ I can agree to disagree unless your position is rooted in my oppression’
No, Sorry, NOT sorry.
Trump is a racist, his policies and playbook are racists. He had White Supremacists in the White House. So if you support that, if you are willing to overlook that because you think he will fix immigration or cut your toe nails for free, then that makes you a racist.
FULL STOP.

You are part of the problem and why perhaps we are indeed close to a civil war....I 100% agree with PP's statement above that "We must look for common ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error."

Society will fall as both sides continue to view everything through a "black and white" lens. Most issues have gray areas.

As to some of the other posts I've seen on this thread. Here's my reality -- I don't care about anything that doesn't affect me and my family -- my kids and their ability to have a good, stable and healthy life. With jobs that they enjoy and partners they eventually find to love and hopefully someday grandkids. I may have to homeschool any future grandkids but either way I will ensure they get to watch/read classics that haven't been "cancelled" or "banned" by either party.

I choose to shut out any and all distractions from both dysfunctional political parties. To answer OP's original question, no I'm not depressed about MAGA because frankly my dear I don't give a damn about MAGA...however, I'm more depressed about the state of our entire society as a nation divided that will continue to be divided regardless of who wins.

The problem is what you plainly said, you only care about what affects you.
How sad. I’m not gay or an immigrant but I care about those people who are. Not caring about your fellow man is what the issue is and the reason so many people are ok with being racist, voting for a racist , and supporting one.
Some of us are just not dumb enough to believe that one day the issues that affect “them” won’t affect us. Good Luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.

I despise the MAGA movement and consider it a threat to our country’s freedom.

What saddens me, however, is the rabid partisanship and stereotyping on both sides that the OP demonstrates.

While there are undoubtedly some voters on the Republican side (and in any large group, including the Democrats), who are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and/or homophobic, most aren’t. They range the full spectrum from the incredibly good to the incredibly bad, with most falling somewhere in the middle.

Some of them have been misguided by right-wing media. Some may agree with Democrats on many issues, but have an issue of primary concern to them that they can’t accept the Democrat’s position. Moreover, nobody likes to be unjustly vilified. Telling someone that they are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic because they disagree with you isn’t likely to get them on your side, and is hardly convincing that you’re open-minded and tolerant.

I’m a conservative who intends to vote a straight Democratic ticket, because I recognize that defending our liberty takes priority over all other issues. You have to decide what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to demonize MAGA voters or to try to turn some of their votes? Stereotyping them and labeling them so negatively may allow you to feel smug and self-righteous, and even gather accolades from those who are like-minded, but you already have those votes. If that’s your priority, then I guess you can all feel smug and self-righteous if Republicans win and the country starts to go to Hell in Trump’s handbasket. On the other hand, if you want to prioritize winning the election, then I suggest treating Republicans like their vote would actually be welcome.

People are complex and so are the issues. You probably have some common ground with every MAGA candidate. Maybe you disagree on abortion and guns, but you can agree that grocery prices are too high. Maybe you disagree on fiscal policy, but you’re both pro-choice. Trump is not conservative. In a lot of ways, the parties have flipped. The Democrats are the ones defending the Constitution, fighting Russian invasion, have a former prosecutor in what appears to be a stable relationship as opposed to Trump who is covered with every kind of moral slime imaginable, not to mention his actual crimes. Trump is also pretty stupid for a “very stable genius” who has no filter and eight years of verbal diarrhea, not to mention his Tweets. Instead of attacking Trump voters, find out what they care about and show them how the Democrats can represent them better. In most cases, you can probably find a quote from Trump, himself, to make your point.

People talk about right and left like politics is a straight line with two opposite poles. I think that it’s actually like a circle. As you go further away from the political “center”, each side becomes more extreme until they meet on the side opposite the “center” at tyranny. Whether the tyrant labels himself a fascist or a communist, the politics doesn’t really matter. Whatever slogans he may spout, the only thing a tyrant really cares about is himself. Politics under a dictator are just the lever he used to seize power. Right now, I fear we stand at the edge of that cliff and Trump wants to push us over the edge. We must stop him. However, even if he is stopped, the divisiveness in this country with its fear-mongering and hatred leaves us vulnerable to the rise of others who would have similar ambitions, and they’ll use whichever side they feel they can exploit. Stopping Trump is vital, but it’s not enough. We must come together so we can’t be used against each other.

We need to win this election, and we need to come together with our fellow citizens. We are the UNITED States of America, and as Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” We must look for common ground ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error.

‘ I can agree to disagree unless your position is rooted in my oppression’
No, Sorry, NOT sorry.
Trump is a racist, his policies and playbook are racists. He had White Supremacists in the White House. So if you support that, if you are willing to overlook that because you think he will fix immigration or cut your toe nails for free, then that makes you a racist.
FULL STOP.

You are part of the problem and why perhaps we are indeed close to a civil war....I 100% agree with PP's statement above that "We must look for common ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error."

Society will fall as both sides continue to view everything through a "black and white" lens. Most issues have gray areas.

As to some of the other posts I've seen on this thread. Here's my reality -- I don't care about anything that doesn't affect me and my family -- my kids and their ability to have a good, stable and healthy life. With jobs that they enjoy and partners they eventually find to love and hopefully someday grandkids. I may have to homeschool any future grandkids but either way I will ensure they get to watch/read classics that haven't been "cancelled" or "banned" by either party.

I choose to shut out any and all distractions from both dysfunctional political parties. To answer OP's original question, no I'm not depressed about MAGA because frankly my dear I don't give a damn about MAGA...however, I'm more depressed about the state of our entire society as a nation divided that will continue to be divided regardless of who wins.

The problem is what you plainly said, you only care about what affects you.
How sad. I’m not gay or an immigrant but I care about those people who are. Not caring about your fellow man is what the issue is and the reason so many people are ok with being racist, voting for a racist , and supporting one.
Some of us are just not dumb enough to believe that one day the issues that affect “them” won’t affect us. Good Luck!

1. I voted for Biden and never stated I was voting for Trump. Stupid assumption on your part.
2. When I say I care only about issues that affect me and my family.....these issues include:
(a) Illegal Immigration/Asylum Seekers who have caused a huge burden on our already burdened infrastructure - overcrowded schools.
(b) State of Education in our country - DD is a teacher and reports firsthand just how bad it is
(c) Rampant Crime
(d) Healthcare Reform/Women's Reproductive Rights

What I don't care about are all the peripheral distractions based on social construct beliefs and ideologies that both parties seem too focused on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sadder every day by the uneducated, racist, misogynistic, homophobic citizens of this country. I just can’t believe how many of them are out there. It’s depressing.

I despise the MAGA movement and consider it a threat to our country’s freedom.

What saddens me, however, is the rabid partisanship and stereotyping on both sides that the OP demonstrates.

While there are undoubtedly some voters on the Republican side (and in any large group, including the Democrats), who are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and/or homophobic, most aren’t. They range the full spectrum from the incredibly good to the incredibly bad, with most falling somewhere in the middle.

Some of them have been misguided by right-wing media. Some may agree with Democrats on many issues, but have an issue of primary concern to them that they can’t accept the Democrat’s position. Moreover, nobody likes to be unjustly vilified. Telling someone that they are uneducated, racist, misogynistic, and homophobic because they disagree with you isn’t likely to get them on your side, and is hardly convincing that you’re open-minded and tolerant.

I’m a conservative who intends to vote a straight Democratic ticket, because I recognize that defending our liberty takes priority over all other issues. You have to decide what your priorities are. Is it more important to you to demonize MAGA voters or to try to turn some of their votes? Stereotyping them and labeling them so negatively may allow you to feel smug and self-righteous, and even gather accolades from those who are like-minded, but you already have those votes. If that’s your priority, then I guess you can all feel smug and self-righteous if Republicans win and the country starts to go to Hell in Trump’s handbasket. On the other hand, if you want to prioritize winning the election, then I suggest treating Republicans like their vote would actually be welcome.

People are complex and so are the issues. You probably have some common ground with every MAGA candidate. Maybe you disagree on abortion and guns, but you can agree that grocery prices are too high. Maybe you disagree on fiscal policy, but you’re both pro-choice. Trump is not conservative. In a lot of ways, the parties have flipped. The Democrats are the ones defending the Constitution, fighting Russian invasion, have a former prosecutor in what appears to be a stable relationship as opposed to Trump who is covered with every kind of moral slime imaginable, not to mention his actual crimes. Trump is also pretty stupid for a “very stable genius” who has no filter and eight years of verbal diarrhea, not to mention his Tweets. Instead of attacking Trump voters, find out what they care about and show them how the Democrats can represent them better. In most cases, you can probably find a quote from Trump, himself, to make your point.

People talk about right and left like politics is a straight line with two opposite poles. I think that it’s actually like a circle. As you go further away from the political “center”, each side becomes more extreme until they meet on the side opposite the “center” at tyranny. Whether the tyrant labels himself a fascist or a communist, the politics doesn’t really matter. Whatever slogans he may spout, the only thing a tyrant really cares about is himself. Politics under a dictator are just the lever he used to seize power. Right now, I fear we stand at the edge of that cliff and Trump wants to push us over the edge. We must stop him. However, even if he is stopped, the divisiveness in this country with its fear-mongering and hatred leaves us vulnerable to the rise of others who would have similar ambitions, and they’ll use whichever side they feel they can exploit. Stopping Trump is vital, but it’s not enough. We must come together so we can’t be used against each other.

We need to win this election, and we need to come together with our fellow citizens. We are the UNITED States of America, and as Lincoln said, “A house divided against itself, cannot stand.” We must look for common ground ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error.

‘ I can agree to disagree unless your position is rooted in my oppression’
No, Sorry, NOT sorry.
Trump is a racist, his policies and playbook are racists. He had White Supremacists in the White House. So if you support that, if you are willing to overlook that because you think he will fix immigration or cut your toe nails for free, then that makes you a racist.
FULL STOP.

You are part of the problem and why perhaps we are indeed close to a civil war....I 100% agree with PP's statement above that "We must look for common ground where we can find it, compromise where we can, recognize that most issues have gray areas, have the humility to acknowledge that occasionally we’re going to be wrong, respect the right that the other side has to be wrong, themselves, but extend to them the grace and goodwill when their sincere good intentions lead them to the wrong position on an issue that we might hope they would extend to us when we are likewise in error."

Society will fall as both sides continue to view everything through a "black and white" lens. Most issues have gray areas.

As to some of the other posts I've seen on this thread. Here's my reality -- I don't care about anything that doesn't affect me and my family -- my kids and their ability to have a good, stable and healthy life. With jobs that they enjoy and partners they eventually find to love and hopefully someday grandkids. I may have to homeschool any future grandkids but either way I will ensure they get to watch/read classics that haven't been "cancelled" or "banned" by either party.

I choose to shut out any and all distractions from both dysfunctional political parties. To answer OP's original question, no I'm not depressed about MAGA because frankly my dear I don't give a damn about MAGA...however, I'm more depressed about the state of our entire society as a nation divided that will continue to be divided regardless of who wins.

The problem is what you plainly said, you only care about what affects you.
How sad. I’m not gay or an immigrant but I care about those people who are. Not caring about your fellow man is what the issue is and the reason so many people are ok with being racist, voting for a racist , and supporting one.
Some of us are just not dumb enough to believe that one day the issues that affect “them” won’t affect us. Good Luck!

1. I voted for Biden and never stated I was voting for Trump. Stupid assumption on your part.
2. When I say I care only about issues that affect me and my family.....these issues include:
(a) Illegal Immigration/Asylum Seekers who have caused a huge burden on our already burdened infrastructure - overcrowded schools.
(b) State of Education in our country - DD is a teacher and reports firsthand just how bad it is
(c) Rampant Crime
(d) Healthcare Reform/Women's Reproductive Rights

What I don't care about are all the peripheral distractions based on social construct beliefs and ideologies that both parties seem too focused on.

^I'll add...I’m also not gay or an immigrant and while I do care about immigrants (LEGAL immigrants that is) and gays (LGBTQ rights - to each their own) they are not my primary concern.