How proud are you to be an American?

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Anonymous wrote:Even as an immigrant myself, I don't understand our immigration policy. It needs regulation otherwise what's the point in having borders?

Yeah, you’re one of those people who gets off on pulling the ladder up behind you. No empathy and no sympathy on your part. You basically suck.

She probably came here legally. But you won’t acknowledge that.

I’m sure she did. But what ignorant people like you don’t understand is that it is virtually impossible for the overwhelming majority of human beings to immigrate here legally. That forces many people to enter illegally. All of this talk about “get in line and enter legally” is bullshit. There is no line to be had for most people.

It doesn’t “force” them to do anything. Citizens of other countries don’t have a right to be here. There is a reason why we limit immigration. And you’re calling me ignorant?

Yes. You fail to recognize that the pure happenstance of your coming out of your mother’s vagina on American soil doesn’t make you any better than anyone else. There are many, many people who were born elsewhere who would contribute a hell of a lot more to the alleged “greatness” of this country than many of the ignorant and lazy slobs who had the dumb luck of being born here if they were just given a chance.

What the hell does this have to do with illegal immigration? Oh that’s right - nothing. Just some blathering to try and change the subject.

You’re missing the point. You think this country is so damned great, right? Well, guess what? So do a lot of other people from all over the world - but they can’t get in here legally because there’s virtually no legal path for the large majority of human beings to get in here. So, being desperate and thinking of the same things that the rest of us do - peace and prosperity and a good life for their kids - they take desperate measures. The answer isn’t to shut them all out - it’s to figure out a way to actually let more in legally. Immigration is what has and will continue to make this country so damned “great.”

Citizens of other countries are not entitled to citizenship here. End of story.

NEither were your ancestors. But they pushed their way here and killed the native population to make this great country.

Well, two wrongs don’t make a right. We know better so we do better, right?

I guess we define "do better" differently. Meaningful immigration with a pathway to citizenship is what is absolutely necessary in this country. Not closed borders and walls.

If they are going to open the borders, tax payers could not have to pay for feeding, housing, and medically tearing them

For the people we allow to enter the country on refugee status or asylum (for example) we absolutely should provide them with all of those things as we always have. You really are clueless. For immigrants who enter on work visas, no. They come here to work because they provide the talent that we need. Even for illegal immigrants we should provide the basic necessities until they are sent back or their status is decided unless you want to deal with burying them.

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Not any more

Given Republican KKK party of Putin I'm horrified the world is watching this utter crap.
And that my children will never know true Americans bec right now America is no longer.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as an immigrant myself, I don't understand our immigration policy. It needs regulation otherwise what's the point in having borders?

Yeah, you’re one of those people who gets off on pulling the ladder up behind you. No empathy and no sympathy on your part. You basically suck.

She probably came here legally. But you won’t acknowledge that.

I’m sure she did. But what ignorant people like you don’t understand is that it is virtually impossible for the overwhelming majority of human beings to immigrate here legally. That forces many people to enter illegally. All of this talk about “get in line and enter legally” is bullshit. There is no line to be had for most people.

It doesn’t “force” them to do anything. Citizens of other countries don’t have a right to be here. There is a reason why we limit immigration. And you’re calling me ignorant?

Yes. You fail to recognize that the pure happenstance of your coming out of your mother’s vagina on American soil doesn’t make you any better than anyone else. There are many, many people who were born elsewhere who would contribute a hell of a lot more to the alleged “greatness” of this country than many of the ignorant and lazy slobs who had the dumb luck of being born here if they were just given a chance.

What the hell does this have to do with illegal immigration? Oh that’s right - nothing. Just some blathering to try and change the subject.

You’re missing the point. You think this country is so damned great, right? Well, guess what? So do a lot of other people from all over the world - but they can’t get in here legally because there’s virtually no legal path for the large majority of human beings to get in here. So, being desperate and thinking of the same things that the rest of us do - peace and prosperity and a good life for their kids - they take desperate measures. The answer isn’t to shut them all out - it’s to figure out a way to actually let more in legally. Immigration is what has and will continue to make this country so damned “great.”

Citizens of other countries are not entitled to citizenship here. End of story.

NEither were your ancestors. But they pushed their way here and killed the native population to make this great country.

So what?

So illegal immigration ends with the arrival of your family???

My family didn’t arrive here illegally.

Then why are you saying so what? I swear some of you are sorely lacking in critical thinking skills. You just want to piss in the wind.

I’m asking why how this country was founded is relevant to the laws and conditions of present day immigration.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Republican, so of course I love the United States ( as imperfect as it may be).

No country is perfect, but if you are honest (and not some partisan progressive hack), the United States is still the best country on the planet.

In what context? Its not the happiest, nor the freest, it doesnt have the healthiest citizens. How do you rate "best" when so many other countries surpass the US?

I think that poster meant the USA is the most powerful with the strongest military. That however does not equate to the best.

Exactly.

A strong military doesnt make a country the best in the entire world. It means they have a strong military. Other countries are far superior in the ways that actually matter to citizens. But if PP wants to explain further, I'm all ears!

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Anonymous wrote:Even as an immigrant myself, I don't understand our immigration policy. It needs regulation otherwise what's the point in having borders?

Yeah, you’re one of those people who gets off on pulling the ladder up behind you. No empathy and no sympathy on your part. You basically suck.

She probably came here legally. But you won’t acknowledge that.

I’m sure she did. But what ignorant people like you don’t understand is that it is virtually impossible for the overwhelming majority of human beings to immigrate here legally. That forces many people to enter illegally. All of this talk about “get in line and enter legally” is bullshit. There is no line to be had for most people.

It doesn’t “force” them to do anything. Citizens of other countries don’t have a right to be here. There is a reason why we limit immigration. And you’re calling me ignorant?

Yes. You fail to recognize that the pure happenstance of your coming out of your mother’s vagina on American soil doesn’t make you any better than anyone else. There are many, many people who were born elsewhere who would contribute a hell of a lot more to the alleged “greatness” of this country than many of the ignorant and lazy slobs who had the dumb luck of being born here if they were just given a chance.

What the hell does this have to do with illegal immigration? Oh that’s right - nothing. Just some blathering to try and change the subject.

You’re missing the point. You think this country is so damned great, right? Well, guess what? So do a lot of other people from all over the world - but they can’t get in here legally because there’s virtually no legal path for the large majority of human beings to get in here. So, being desperate and thinking of the same things that the rest of us do - peace and prosperity and a good life for their kids - they take desperate measures. The answer isn’t to shut them all out - it’s to figure out a way to actually let more in legally. Immigration is what has and will continue to make this country so damned “great.”

Citizens of other countries are not entitled to citizenship here. End of story.

NEither were your ancestors. But they pushed their way here and killed the native population to make this great country.

So what?

So illegal immigration ends with the arrival of your family???

My family didn’t arrive here illegally.

Then why are you saying so what? I swear some of you are sorely lacking in critical thinking skills. You just want to piss in the wind.

I’m asking why how this country was founded is relevant to the laws and conditions of present day immigration.

Well you would be very wrong and every legal scholar will tell you the same.

Oh wait, can we apply the same thought process to the 2nd amendment BS?

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Anonymous wrote:Even as an immigrant myself, I don't understand our immigration policy. It needs regulation otherwise what's the point in having borders?

Yeah, you’re one of those people who gets off on pulling the ladder up behind you. No empathy and no sympathy on your part. You basically suck.

She probably came here legally. But you won’t acknowledge that.

I’m sure she did. But what ignorant people like you don’t understand is that it is virtually impossible for the overwhelming majority of human beings to immigrate here legally. That forces many people to enter illegally. All of this talk about “get in line and enter legally” is bullshit. There is no line to be had for most people.

It doesn’t “force” them to do anything. Citizens of other countries don’t have a right to be here. There is a reason why we limit immigration. And you’re calling me ignorant?

Yes. You fail to recognize that the pure happenstance of your coming out of your mother’s vagina on American soil doesn’t make you any better than anyone else. There are many, many people who were born elsewhere who would contribute a hell of a lot more to the alleged “greatness” of this country than many of the ignorant and lazy slobs who had the dumb luck of being born here if they were just given a chance.

What the hell does this have to do with illegal immigration? Oh that’s right - nothing. Just some blathering to try and change the subject.

You’re missing the point. You think this country is so damned great, right? Well, guess what? So do a lot of other people from all over the world - but they can’t get in here legally because there’s virtually no legal path for the large majority of human beings to get in here. So, being desperate and thinking of the same things that the rest of us do - peace and prosperity and a good life for their kids - they take desperate measures. The answer isn’t to shut them all out - it’s to figure out a way to actually let more in legally. Immigration is what has and will continue to make this country so damned “great.”

Citizens of other countries are not entitled to citizenship here. End of story.

NEither were your ancestors. But they pushed their way here and killed the native population to make this great country.

So what?

So illegal immigration ends with the arrival of your family???

My family didn’t arrive here illegally.

Then why are you saying so what? I swear some of you are sorely lacking in critical thinking skills. You just want to piss in the wind.

I’m asking why how this country was founded is relevant to the laws and conditions of present day immigration.

Well you would be very wrong and every legal scholar will tell you the same.

Oh wait, can we apply the same thought process to the 2nd amendment BS?

So then tell me how it’s relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as an immigrant myself, I don't understand our immigration policy. It needs regulation otherwise what's the point in having borders?

Yeah, you’re one of those people who gets off on pulling the ladder up behind you. No empathy and no sympathy on your part. You basically suck.

She probably came here legally. But you won’t acknowledge that.

I’m sure she did. But what ignorant people like you don’t understand is that it is virtually impossible for the overwhelming majority of human beings to immigrate here legally. That forces many people to enter illegally. All of this talk about “get in line and enter legally” is bullshit. There is no line to be had for most people.

It doesn’t “force” them to do anything. Citizens of other countries don’t have a right to be here. There is a reason why we limit immigration. And you’re calling me ignorant?

Yes. You fail to recognize that the pure happenstance of your coming out of your mother’s vagina on American soil doesn’t make you any better than anyone else. There are many, many people who were born elsewhere who would contribute a hell of a lot more to the alleged “greatness” of this country than many of the ignorant and lazy slobs who had the dumb luck of being born here if they were just given a chance.

What the hell does this have to do with illegal immigration? Oh that’s right - nothing. Just some blathering to try and change the subject.

You’re missing the point. You think this country is so damned great, right? Well, guess what? So do a lot of other people from all over the world - but they can’t get in here legally because there’s virtually no legal path for the large majority of human beings to get in here. So, being desperate and thinking of the same things that the rest of us do - peace and prosperity and a good life for their kids - they take desperate measures. The answer isn’t to shut them all out - it’s to figure out a way to actually let more in legally. Immigration is what has and will continue to make this country so damned “great.”

Citizens of other countries are not entitled to citizenship here. End of story.

NEither were your ancestors. But they pushed their way here and killed the native population to make this great country.

So what?

So illegal immigration ends with the arrival of your family???

My family didn’t arrive here illegally.

Then why are you saying so what? I swear some of you are sorely lacking in critical thinking skills. You just want to piss in the wind.

I’m asking why how this country was founded is relevant to the laws and conditions of present day immigration.

Well you would be very wrong and every legal scholar will tell you the same.

Oh wait, can we apply the same thought process to the 2nd amendment BS?

So then tell me how it’s relevant.

Because we were founded on certain principles and govern in that manner.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as an immigrant myself, I don't understand our immigration policy. It needs regulation otherwise what's the point in having borders?

Yeah, you’re one of those people who gets off on pulling the ladder up behind you. No empathy and no sympathy on your part. You basically suck.

She probably came here legally. But you won’t acknowledge that.

I’m sure she did. But what ignorant people like you don’t understand is that it is virtually impossible for the overwhelming majority of human beings to immigrate here legally. That forces many people to enter illegally. All of this talk about “get in line and enter legally” is bullshit. There is no line to be had for most people.

It doesn’t “force” them to do anything. Citizens of other countries don’t have a right to be here. There is a reason why we limit immigration. And you’re calling me ignorant?

Yes. You fail to recognize that the pure happenstance of your coming out of your mother’s vagina on American soil doesn’t make you any better than anyone else. There are many, many people who were born elsewhere who would contribute a hell of a lot more to the alleged “greatness” of this country than many of the ignorant and lazy slobs who had the dumb luck of being born here if they were just given a chance.

What the hell does this have to do with illegal immigration? Oh that’s right - nothing. Just some blathering to try and change the subject.

You’re missing the point. You think this country is so damned great, right? Well, guess what? So do a lot of other people from all over the world - but they can’t get in here legally because there’s virtually no legal path for the large majority of human beings to get in here. So, being desperate and thinking of the same things that the rest of us do - peace and prosperity and a good life for their kids - they take desperate measures. The answer isn’t to shut them all out - it’s to figure out a way to actually let more in legally. Immigration is what has and will continue to make this country so damned “great.”

Citizens of other countries are not entitled to citizenship here. End of story.

NEither were your ancestors. But they pushed their way here and killed the native population to make this great country.

Well, two wrongs don’t make a right. We know better so we do better, right?

I guess we define "do better" differently. Meaningful immigration with a pathway to citizenship is what is absolutely necessary in this country. Not closed borders and walls.

If they are going to open the borders, tax payers could not have to pay for feeding, housing, and medically tearing them

For the people we allow to enter the country on refugee status or asylum (for example) we absolutely should provide them with all of those things as we always have. You really are clueless. For immigrants who enter on work visas, no. They come here to work because they provide the talent that we need. Even for illegal immigrants we should provide the basic necessities until they are sent back or their status is decided unless you want to deal with burying them.

Agreed. Asylum seeker need free healthcare. However, everyone who can't afford healthcare would know we provide free healthcare here. Even that is humane but wouldn't it overwhelm our healthcare system for our own citizens? Our healthcare is already very expensive and hard to navigate with healthcare workers crying about work load.

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Anonymous wrote:Even as an immigrant myself, I don't understand our immigration policy. It needs regulation otherwise what's the point in having borders?

Yeah, you’re one of those people who gets off on pulling the ladder up behind you. No empathy and no sympathy on your part. You basically suck.

She probably came here legally. But you won’t acknowledge that.

I’m sure she did. But what ignorant people like you don’t understand is that it is virtually impossible for the overwhelming majority of human beings to immigrate here legally. That forces many people to enter illegally. All of this talk about “get in line and enter legally” is bullshit. There is no line to be had for most people.

It doesn’t “force” them to do anything. Citizens of other countries don’t have a right to be here. There is a reason why we limit immigration. And you’re calling me ignorant?

Yes. You fail to recognize that the pure happenstance of your coming out of your mother’s vagina on American soil doesn’t make you any better than anyone else. There are many, many people who were born elsewhere who would contribute a hell of a lot more to the alleged “greatness” of this country than many of the ignorant and lazy slobs who had the dumb luck of being born here if they were just given a chance.

What the hell does this have to do with illegal immigration? Oh that’s right - nothing. Just some blathering to try and change the subject.

You’re missing the point. You think this country is so damned great, right? Well, guess what? So do a lot of other people from all over the world - but they can’t get in here legally because there’s virtually no legal path for the large majority of human beings to get in here. So, being desperate and thinking of the same things that the rest of us do - peace and prosperity and a good life for their kids - they take desperate measures. The answer isn’t to shut them all out - it’s to figure out a way to actually let more in legally. Immigration is what has and will continue to make this country so damned “great.”

Citizens of other countries are not entitled to citizenship here. End of story.

NEither were your ancestors. But they pushed their way here and killed the native population to make this great country.

Well, two wrongs don’t make a right. We know better so we do better, right?

I guess we define "do better" differently. Meaningful immigration with a pathway to citizenship is what is absolutely necessary in this country. Not closed borders and walls.

If they are going to open the borders, tax payers could not have to pay for feeding, housing, and medically tearing them

For the people we allow to enter the country on refugee status or asylum (for example) we absolutely should provide them with all of those things as we always have. You really are clueless. For immigrants who enter on work visas, no. They come here to work because they provide the talent that we need. Even for illegal immigrants we should provide the basic necessities until they are sent back or their status is decided unless you want to deal with burying them.

Agreed. Asylum seeker need free healthcare. However, everyone who can't afford healthcare would know we provide free healthcare here. Even that is humane but wouldn't it overwhelm our healthcare system for our own citizens? Our healthcare is already very expensive and hard to navigate with healthcare workers crying about work load.

I don't even understand what you're asking. Our healthcare system is most certainly not overwhelmed because of the immigrants (legal or illegal).

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Anonymous wrote:Even as an immigrant myself, I don't understand our immigration policy. It needs regulation otherwise what's the point in having borders?

Yeah, you’re one of those people who gets off on pulling the ladder up behind you. No empathy and no sympathy on your part. You basically suck.

She probably came here legally. But you won’t acknowledge that.

I’m sure she did. But what ignorant people like you don’t understand is that it is virtually impossible for the overwhelming majority of human beings to immigrate here legally. That forces many people to enter illegally. All of this talk about “get in line and enter legally” is bullshit. There is no line to be had for most people.

So maybe instead of arguing about what to do about illegal immigration, we should be arguing about legal immigration.

I sincerely believe that most illegal immigrants are good people who only want the chance to work hard, build a better life for themselves and their family, and would contribute immensely to their new communities if given the chance.

I also believe that the people who go find the line, wait years for their turn, and jump through every hoop we demand would similarly benefit America and be good citizens.

The Afghan translators who risked not only their lives, but their families’ lives as well, to help America when asked, I bet they’d be great citizens too.

The American nationals from American Samoa would be great citizens too. They’re already great Americans. I don’t know if they all want citizenship, but we should at least offer it and give them the chance to decide.

The problem is numbers. Unless you believe that we should throw our borders open, “Come one, come all”, we have to set limits and make tough choices. The influx of Syrian refugees nearly sunk the EU a few years back. I bet they’d have been happy to ship all those immigrants to the US. Can we really take everyone desperate for a better life, the vast majority of whom would make excellent citizens and contribute to our country? In a world with famines, war, child soldiers, child brides, honor killings, oppressive governments, corrupt governments, terrorism, genocide, etc., are we ready to be the universal refuge?

Maybe we could set up a continental good neighbor policy and only accept immigrants from North, Central and South America. We could probably handle immigration from Canada but I think our southern neighbors would swamp us with immigrants, not to mention that this policy would seem to be racist.

We need to get serious about how many people we can allow in and who they will be, and then make a process (“line”) to accommodate them. Currently, it seems like our immigration process is effectively to sneak over the boarder, hide from official notice, wait for an amnesty when the numbers of immigrants who are long-term residents reaches a tipping point and coincides with a favorable political mood at the time.

Simultaneously, we need to figure out a way to secure our borders. I think the politicians on both sides would rather have the border as a political issue than to actually close it. I’m no security expert, but there are people who have knowledge about such things (and they’re not politicians). Let’s get some experts - any experts (military engineers, private security forces, UN advisors, university researchers, etc.) to come up with a viable plan rather than a campaign talking point.

Again, I ask: what line? Show me this mysterious line of which you speak. Because there is NONE for the overwhelming majority of human beings under our current immigration system. They can NEVER get in legally. Never. What part of “never” don’t you understand?

There is a legal process for immigration, which can take years, is immensely complicated, and involves quotas. I agree that it means that the overwhelming majority of human beings can never get in legally. Is it your contention that we should have unlimited immigration? Are you saying that people who follow the rules we make are less deserving than those who don’t?

I would like to help everyone. Frankly, I’d even be willing to hold referendums and allow different geographic regions to vote to join the US as additional states. But aside from the fact that that would be completely impractical, it would be viewed as American imperialism. Maybe we should start by considering statehood for DC and American territories.

As for immigration, I’d love to see the process simplified and made more widely available. Maybe we should raise the overall number of immigrants we allow to legally immigrate every year and redistribute the regional limits. I think, however, reality is going to mandate some finite limit. The US simply cannot host the full population of the earth (even excluding the 16 countries that rank higher on a freedom index). In fact, America would almost certainly collapse well before it reached that limit, to she point that US citizens would be as frantic to flee to a stable country with some hope of survival and maybe even prosperity, as the current immigrants to the US.

In the face of limited supply and overwhelming demand, unfortunately it is inevitable that most will be excluded. The more illegal immigrants we absorb, the fewer legal immigrants we can invite. We can discuss immigration priorities. Do we prioritize by greatest need? by greatest potential benefit to US? by proximity (Canada, Mexico, Central America? South America? Caribbean? Russia is close to Alaska and Japan is apparently the closest country to Hawaii. Should they get priority status)?

So what’s your solution? Open our borders and allow everyone in? Do away with the formal legal path and make it into some twisted Darwinian challenge that if you survive crossing the border illegally you’re hardy/clever/lucky enough to join us as a citizen? If you have a better solution, please share with the rest of us, or run for office yourself.

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No one in their right mind advocates for a ban on immigration, just for better regulations.

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My cousin who is an engineer with a masters degree from an American university here, went back after receiving a degree and applied through family immigration. It took him 10 years to receive a green card after hoping through every red tape, even though he brought million USD with him and 10 year experience of an American company abroad.

He could've illegally crossed the border with drugs and received a work permit within months.

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He could've illegally crossed the border with drugs and received a work permit within months.

That's BS and you know it. Yes it takes a long time, but he wasn't destitute and I'm assuming he was here while waiting for his green card so what's the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Republican, so of course I love the United States ( as imperfect as it may be).

No country is perfect, but if you are honest (and not some partisan progressive hack), the United States is still the best country on the planet.

You are aware that Democrats can love this country too, right? I’m an extremely liberal Democrat and I love this country and the people in it.

They don't wave confederate flags nor do they wear MAGA hats or chant for King Trump so obviously they aren't patriots.