Disappointed with Georgetown

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Anonymous wrote:Funny no one says Yeshiva University is too Jewish. It is a Catholic School let them be

As a Catholic that’s what pisses me off. It’s acceptable on this forum to continually bash Catholics and Catholicism, but god forbid anyone write a word about any other religion.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny no one says Yeshiva University is too Jewish. It is a Catholic School let them be

As a Catholic that’s what pisses me off. It’s acceptable on this forum to continually bash Catholics and Catholicism, but god forbid anyone write a word about any other religion.

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You said it. So wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

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Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

The "beauty" is deceiving. From afar it is beautiful. Once you step on campus, you come across a mishmash of buildings and concrete which are not aesthetically appealing and don't in any way visually seem like they belong in the same space. It was really a disappointment for us as well.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

+1

Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

The "beauty" is deceiving. From afar it is beautiful. Once you step on campus, you come across a mishmash of buildings and concrete which are not aesthetically appealing and don't in any way visually seem like they belong in the same space. It was really a disappointment for us as well.

It’s a very old school—1789–in a small urban space. Very difficult to manage development, given those constraints.

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Anonymous wrote:They waste a huge amount of money on their religious staff, when the vast majority of students they attract are seeking a secular education. It’s like you get stuck with all the religion (it’s inescapable) just because you want the premier foreign policy environment

Do you have any actual experience with Georgetown or are you just speculating?

The religion classes are extraordinary at Georgetown. Problem of God is amazing. Each professor approaches it differently. Mine talked all about religiously inspired terrorism. That’s the only required course that has anything to do with religion.

I also took a course on the Bible, taught by a Rabbi, Imam, and Priest. It was fascinating to hear them talk about how each religion interprets different passages.

Georgetown also has a lot of interreligious dialogue events that I found fascinating.

I’m Jewish and left Georgetown with an understanding of not only foreign policy, but religion from a highly intellectual standpoint.

I believe it. We are not particularly religious. My kids were baptized and confirmed Catholic though. Not church goers. My HS Senior is eating up his required religion courses: Ethics, Systematic Theology, World Religions, etc. Very lively debates from kids that are devout, liberal Catholics, those lapse like him and Jewish classmates and Muslims.

To be truly educated I think you need a wide body of education: world religions, humanities, arts, history, science, etc. I was a very strict STEM person that did not take advantage of have room for this type of course work. My father and husband did and are killer at Jeopardy and so interesting to converse with literally on any topic you can bring up...they know something. And my dad was an Organic chemist but attended Jesuit HS and a Jesuit University and grad school. Very Renaissance man. Could cook and had a library of music of all kinds.

PP here. It was a part of Georgetown I weirdly didn’t think about when I was applying, but it ended up being amazing.

I had lunch a couple of times with a Jesuit priest at the JesRes (the big facility they have where the priests live). He taught me SO much about Catholicism and religion in general. My mom went to 12 years of Catholic school and I ended up telling her things she hadn’t been taught.

I think when people think of religiously affiliated schools, they don’t consider that Jesuits really are different.

sure but there's a Jes Res at schools like Marquette and Dayton and BC too.

Ok. I wasn’t arguing that it’s unique in that regard.

Dayton isn’t Jesuit. Duh.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

+1

Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

The "beauty" is deceiving. From afar it is beautiful. Once you step on campus, you come across a mishmash of buildings and concrete which are not aesthetically appealing and don't in any way visually seem like they belong in the same space. It was really a disappointment for us as well.

DP here. So? Beauty is subjective. People might think you are ugly, but they don't come to DCUM to post about you.

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Anonymous wrote:They waste a huge amount of money on their religious staff, when the vast majority of students they attract are seeking a secular education. It’s like you get stuck with all the religion (it’s inescapable) just because you want the premier foreign policy environment

Do you have any actual experience with Georgetown or are you just speculating?

The religion classes are extraordinary at Georgetown. Problem of God is amazing. Each professor approaches it differently. Mine talked all about religiously inspired terrorism. That’s the only required course that has anything to do with religion.

I also took a course on the Bible, taught by a Rabbi, Imam, and Priest. It was fascinating to hear them talk about how each religion interprets different passages.

Georgetown also has a lot of interreligious dialogue events that I found fascinating.

I’m Jewish and left Georgetown with an understanding of not only foreign policy, but religion from a highly intellectual standpoint.

I believe it. We are not particularly religious. My kids were baptized and confirmed Catholic though. Not church goers. My HS Senior is eating up his required religion courses: Ethics, Systematic Theology, World Religions, etc. Very lively debates from kids that are devout, liberal Catholics, those lapse like him and Jewish classmates and Muslims.

To be truly educated I think you need a wide body of education: world religions, humanities, arts, history, science, etc. I was a very strict STEM person that did not take advantage of have room for this type of course work. My father and husband did and are killer at Jeopardy and so interesting to converse with literally on any topic you can bring up...they know something. And my dad was an Organic chemist but attended Jesuit HS and a Jesuit University and grad school. Very Renaissance man. Could cook and had a library of music of all kinds.

PP here. It was a part of Georgetown I weirdly didn’t think about when I was applying, but it ended up being amazing.

I had lunch a couple of times with a Jesuit priest at the JesRes (the big facility they have where the priests live). He taught me SO much about Catholicism and religion in general. My mom went to 12 years of Catholic school and I ended up telling her things she hadn’t been taught.

I think when people think of religiously affiliated schools, they don’t consider that Jesuits really are different.

sure but there's a Jes Res at schools like Marquette and Dayton and BC too.

Ok. I wasn’t arguing that it’s unique in that regard.

Dayton isn’t Jesuit. Duh.

BAHAHA.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

+1

Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

The "beauty" is deceiving. From afar it is beautiful. Once you step on campus, you come across a mishmash of buildings and concrete which are not aesthetically appealing and don't in any way visually seem like they belong in the same space. It was really a disappointment for us as well.

It’s a very old school—1789–in a small urban space. Very difficult to manage development, given those constraints.

I realize this, but it doesn't change the fact that aesthetically it is unappealing.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny no one says Yeshiva University is too Jewish. It is a Catholic School let them be

As a Catholic that’s what pisses me off. It’s acceptable on this forum to continually bash Catholics and Catholicism, but god forbid anyone write a word about any other religion.

It’s not Catholic, frankly, imo. SoJ are fringe. Several are heretics.

I was appalled at the behavior and filthy language (to include a little spitting) by the students when a gender-critical speaker was on campus.
Oh, and that (now defunct) Instagram “Cash n’ Trash” Gtown Hot Mess” was horrifying. I did indeed clutch my Mikimoto pearls.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

+1

Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

The "beauty" is deceiving. From afar it is beautiful. Once you step on campus, you come across a mishmash of buildings and concrete which are not aesthetically appealing and don't in any way visually seem like they belong in the same space. It was really a disappointment for us as well.

It’s a very old school—1789–in a small urban space. Very difficult to manage development, given those constraints.

I realize this, but it doesn't change the fact that aesthetically it is unappealing.

Georgetown is a gorgeous campus, OP. If you don't like it, don't apply, same as any other school.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny no one says Yeshiva University is too Jewish. It is a Catholic School let them be

As a Catholic that’s what pisses me off. It’s acceptable on this forum to continually bash Catholics and Catholicism, but god forbid anyone write a word about any other religion.

It’s not Catholic, frankly, imo. SoJ are fringe. Several are heretics.

I was appalled at the behavior and filthy language (to include a little spitting) by the students when a gender-critical speaker was on campus.
Oh, and that (now defunct) Instagram “Cash n’ Trash” Gtown Hot Mess” was horrifying. I did indeed clutch my Mikimoto pearls.

Nonsense. And the IG photos were staged. If you don't realize that, then you are not smart enough to be accepted, so don't fret, OP.

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The beauty is deceiving in that it’s hard to describe. There’s an esoteric term that captures its elusive beauty…oh yeah: ugly.

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Anonymous wrote:The beauty is deceiving in that it’s hard to describe. There’s an esoteric term that captures its elusive beauty…oh yeah: ugly.

Not nearly as ugly as people who come to DCUM to post about schools that did not accept them.

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Anonymous wrote:The beauty is deceiving in that it’s hard to describe. There’s an esoteric term that captures its elusive beauty…oh yeah: ugly.

Not nearly as ugly as people who come to DCUM to post about schools that did not accept them.

Yup.

When I got into Georgetown SFS early, and turned down UChicago, campus aesthetics weren’t hugely important to me. Nor were they that important when I graduated with a 3.85/magna cum laude.

Sorry a lot of you couldn’t have done that. Not our problem.

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Anonymous wrote:It is very difficult to take seriously any post denigrating an elite college before the poster has an acceptance letter in hand. It’s just too loaded.

The OP was accepted.