Disappointed with Georgetown

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Anonymous wrote:They waste a huge amount of money on their religious staff, when the vast majority of students they attract are seeking a secular education. It’s like you get stuck with all the religion (it’s inescapable) just because you want the premier foreign policy environment

Do you have any actual experience with Georgetown or are you just speculating?

The religion classes are extraordinary at Georgetown. Problem of God is amazing. Each professor approaches it differently. Mine talked all about religiously inspired terrorism. That’s the only required course that has anything to do with religion.

I also took a course on the Bible, taught by a Rabbi, Imam, and Priest. It was fascinating to hear them talk about how each religion interprets different passages.

Georgetown also has a lot of interreligious dialogue events that I found fascinating.

I’m Jewish and left Georgetown with an understanding of not only foreign policy, but religion from a highly intellectual standpoint.

I believe it. We are not particularly religious. My kids were baptized and confirmed Catholic though. Not church goers. My HS Senior is eating up his required religion courses: Ethics, Systematic Theology, World Religions, etc. Very lively debates from kids that are devout, liberal Catholics, those lapse like him and Jewish classmates and Muslims.

To be truly educated I think you need a wide body of education: world religions, humanities, arts, history, science, etc. I was a very strict STEM person that did not take advantage of have room for this type of course work. My father and husband did and are killer at Jeopardy and so interesting to converse with literally on any topic you can bring up...they know something. And my dad was an Organic chemist but attended Jesuit HS and a Jesuit University and grad school. Very Renaissance man. Could cook and had a library of music of all kinds.

PP here. It was a part of Georgetown I weirdly didn’t think about when I was applying, but it ended up being amazing.

I had lunch a couple of times with a Jesuit priest at the JesRes (the big facility they have where the priests live). He taught me SO much about Catholicism and religion in general. My mom went to 12 years of Catholic school and I ended up telling her things she hadn’t been taught.

I think when people think of religiously affiliated schools, they don’t consider that Jesuits really are different.

That's interesting. My husband and kind of got into about raising kids Catholic. I never practiced, was just 'culturally catholic'. He grew up with parents that were leaving it up to the kids to decide their religion..which of course they never did. We settled on Catholic and my kids went to a Jesuit HS which was a tradition on my dad's side.

Well- lo and behold, my husband loved going to the Jesuit church discussion groups. There were professors from Georgetown and he would get in lively debates when my kids were doing their confirmation preparation. He never converted but the Jesuits are a very intellectual and worldly group. He was really impressed.

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Anonymous wrote:My oldest daughter submitted all her applications and then toured after acceptance letters arrived. It was a very different experience doing tours as an admitted student. Georgetown was one of her options. She absolutely hated it. Also thought the campus was awful. She ended up at University of Michigan. She liked Ann Arbor much more than DC. UM served her well as she’s just started her JD at Uchicago.

I’m the SFS grad who has been posting. My husband went to Michigan.

They are SUCH different schools. Both terrific, but honestly couldn’t be more different.

Yes that was the point😀. She always wanted to get a JD so I’m sure if GT was her only top selection she should have attended since law is one of the few UG areas where prestige matters. Luckily she had a few very strong choices. When it came down to it she also liked the public schools better than private. UVA was a strong contender as well.

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Anonymous wrote:They waste a huge amount of money on their religious staff, when the vast majority of students they attract are seeking a secular education. It’s like you get stuck with all the religion (it’s inescapable) just because you want the premier foreign policy environment

Very insightful post. Clearly you have special insight into this topic. Like who the heck does GU think they are to have religious stuff on campus? And why would foreign policy students need to know anything about religion? It’s not like religion plays any role in world politics.

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Anonymous wrote:They waste a huge amount of money on their religious staff, when the vast majority of students they attract are seeking a secular education. It’s like you get stuck with all the religion (it’s inescapable) just because you want the premier foreign policy environment

Very insightful post. Clearly you have special insight into this topic. Like who the heck does GU think they are to have religious stuff on campus? And why would foreign policy students need to know anything about religion? It’s not like religion plays any role in world politics.

LOL - right? Spot on.

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Anonymous wrote:They waste a huge amount of money on their religious staff, when the vast majority of students they attract are seeking a secular education. It’s like you get stuck with all the religion (it’s inescapable) just because you want the premier foreign policy environment

Do you have any actual experience with Georgetown or are you just speculating?

The religion classes are extraordinary at Georgetown. Problem of God is amazing. Each professor approaches it differently. Mine talked all about religiously inspired terrorism. That’s the only required course that has anything to do with religion.

I also took a course on the Bible, taught by a Rabbi, Imam, and Priest. It was fascinating to hear them talk about how each religion interprets different passages.

Georgetown also has a lot of interreligious dialogue events that I found fascinating.

I’m Jewish and left Georgetown with an understanding of not only foreign policy, but religion from a highly intellectual standpoint.

I believe it. We are not particularly religious. My kids were baptized and confirmed Catholic though. Not church goers. My HS Senior is eating up his required religion courses: Ethics, Systematic Theology, World Religions, etc. Very lively debates from kids that are devout, liberal Catholics, those lapse like him and Jewish classmates and Muslims.

To be truly educated I think you need a wide body of education: world religions, humanities, arts, history, science, etc. I was a very strict STEM person that did not take advantage of have room for this type of course work. My father and husband did and are killer at Jeopardy and so interesting to converse with literally on any topic you can bring up...they know something. And my dad was an Organic chemist but attended Jesuit HS and a Jesuit University and grad school. Very Renaissance man. Could cook and had a library of music of all kinds.

PP here. It was a part of Georgetown I weirdly didn’t think about when I was applying, but it ended up being amazing.

I had lunch a couple of times with a Jesuit priest at the JesRes (the big facility they have where the priests live). He taught me SO much about Catholicism and religion in general. My mom went to 12 years of Catholic school and I ended up telling her things she hadn’t been taught.

I think when people think of religiously affiliated schools, they don’t consider that Jesuits really are different.

sure but there's a Jes Res at schools like Marquette and Dayton and BC too.

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Anonymous wrote:They waste a huge amount of money on their religious staff, when the vast majority of students they attract are seeking a secular education. It’s like you get stuck with all the religion (it’s inescapable) just because you want the premier foreign policy environment

Do you have any actual experience with Georgetown or are you just speculating?

The religion classes are extraordinary at Georgetown. Problem of God is amazing. Each professor approaches it differently. Mine talked all about religiously inspired terrorism. That’s the only required course that has anything to do with religion.

I also took a course on the Bible, taught by a Rabbi, Imam, and Priest. It was fascinating to hear them talk about how each religion interprets different passages.

Georgetown also has a lot of interreligious dialogue events that I found fascinating.

I’m Jewish and left Georgetown with an understanding of not only foreign policy, but religion from a highly intellectual standpoint.

I believe it. We are not particularly religious. My kids were baptized and confirmed Catholic though. Not church goers. My HS Senior is eating up his required religion courses: Ethics, Systematic Theology, World Religions, etc. Very lively debates from kids that are devout, liberal Catholics, those lapse like him and Jewish classmates and Muslims.

To be truly educated I think you need a wide body of education: world religions, humanities, arts, history, science, etc. I was a very strict STEM person that did not take advantage of have room for this type of course work. My father and husband did and are killer at Jeopardy and so interesting to converse with literally on any topic you can bring up...they know something. And my dad was an Organic chemist but attended Jesuit HS and a Jesuit University and grad school. Very Renaissance man. Could cook and had a library of music of all kinds.

PP here. It was a part of Georgetown I weirdly didn’t think about when I was applying, but it ended up being amazing.

I had lunch a couple of times with a Jesuit priest at the JesRes (the big facility they have where the priests live). He taught me SO much about Catholicism and religion in general. My mom went to 12 years of Catholic school and I ended up telling her things she hadn’t been taught.

I think when people think of religiously affiliated schools, they don’t consider that Jesuits really are different.

sure but there's a Jes Res at schools like Marquette and Dayton and BC too.

Ok. I wasn’t arguing that it’s unique in that regard.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

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Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

+1

Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

LOL, you clearly haven't taken many college tours. Georgetown isn't even on the USNWR list of beautiful college campuses. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/slideshows/beautiful-college-campuses

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

+1

Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

LOL, you clearly haven't taken many college tours. Georgetown isn't even on the USNWR list of beautiful college campuses. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/slideshows/beautiful-college-campuses

Well if US News thinks something, it must be true.

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Funny no one says Yeshiva University is too Jewish. It is a Catholic School let them be

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Anonymous wrote:Funny no one says Yeshiva University is too Jewish. It is a Catholic School let them be

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

+1

Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

LOL, you clearly haven't taken many college tours. Georgetown isn't even on the USNWR list of beautiful college campuses. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/slideshows/beautiful-college-campuses

Well if US News thinks something, it must be true.

LOL. Thank you for this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, have your kid tour Notre Dame. Gorgeous sprawling campus and no jets flying above, except for game days.

Completely different school.

And isn't that a good thing?

Depends on what the kid wants. Georgetown is unparalleled for its connections into DC. If that’s what a kid is looking to do, career-wise, Georgetown is the best.

Notre Dame is more your typical strong school with storied sports legacy.

Um, you do realize lots of ND kids end up in DC. My son just graduated and has an excellent job in a top consulting firm. He has several friends working in DC as well. Some kids want the best of both worlds (sports, academics, great campus, strong networking), and ND offers all of that.

I’m sure they do. I also know that, in my decade in the federal government, no school was represented as frequently as Georgetown SFS.

That’s the reality.

I’m not saying you can’t get a job in DC from other schools. Of course you can.

But at Georgetown, I took courses from Madeline Albright, Ambassadors, etc. Being in DC meant I could go directly to embassies to do interviews with cultural attaches when I did a paper on cultural diplomacy. It was easy to do an internship on the Hill during the week.

It’s just on a different level. Many kids choose to sacrifice a nice campus for that access and those connections.

+1

Agree. Well said. I think that OP fully realizes the caliber of GU, but took this as an opportunity to knock the campus, which is purely subjective. My friends who have kids presently at GU tell me that their kids love it, and would not have it any other way.

OP, either you want to attend a school or not - the campus will not matter after four years, the school will. If you don't believe that, go somewhere else. Simple.

Not sure of the point of your post (actually, I am, hence my response).

Georgetown’s campus is lovely. I did my MBA in the gorgeous new Hariri building ten years ago.

I agree. I am not sure who the posters saying it is an “ugly” campus are fooling. It is one of the most beautiful campuses I have ever seen.

Also, many of the facilities issues described in this thread no longer exist. Most of the dorms were extensively renovated during covid/remote learning to the point where they look completely different on the inside. The worst offenders are in the process of getting knocked down and rebuilt. GU is also continually expanding into the city and opened both a satellite campus and residence hall on Capitol Hill and H Street within the last few years.

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Expanding in the neighborhood too, but most people don't realize that, if they have not actually been to campus.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They waste a huge amount of money on their religious staff, when the vast majority of students they attract are seeking a secular education. It’s like you get stuck with all the religion (it’s inescapable) just because you want the premier foreign policy environment

Very insightful post. Clearly you have special insight into this topic. Like who the heck does GU think they are to have religious stuff on campus? And why would foreign policy students need to know anything about religion? It’s not like religion plays any role in world politics.

LOL - right? Spot on.

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OP is insane. Dedicated to their cause, but insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny no one says Yeshiva University is too Jewish. It is a Catholic School let them be

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