What was the big boom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll confess to not reading the entire thread but jumped in on pg. 14, not 16. Just saw the news on the crash site. The plane was ...descimated. There were no plane-like parts to be recognized.

I think it was shot down. If it was, will we ever know?

If it were shot down there would be a wide debris field, not a concentrated crash site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ultimately nothing firmly citable... just interesting, and may not pan out. With air defense drills not scheduled until tomorrow, some reports claim a plane also crashed (not the sound) but that the sonic boom was from a plane in pursuit of the crashed plane.

https://twitter.com/killmoenetwork/status/1665448496290230273?s=61&t=PckSN3mS7uR02yTgDc2tCg

How about people not amplify bullshit like this?

Well, this aged well, didn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It just happened to run out of fuel in a part of va with few people? I'm not a conspiracy theorist but this story seems a little off.

The reality is that geographically the vast majority of the country is rural. Once it got past DC suburbs, odds are it would run out of fuel in a rural area.

[Anonymous]

Someone is this thread is a conspiracy theorist. Or really dense on the various components of reality beyond what they've immediately experienced and does not consume wide ranging non-fiction media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ why did it disintegrate when other planes crash and parts are still recognizable?

I could speculate why a jet would have looked different than other smaller plane crash sites but there are lots of experts who know a lot more about all of this than I do.

The NTSB will eventually issue a report saying what happened. If it was shot down, they'll tell us then. If not, they'll say that.

In the end it was losing 30,000 feet a minute. It crashed at a high velocity. Hence, small parts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What would cause a depressurization event in an aircraft like this one?

It was a 33 year old plane that was previously registered in Venezuela. Subpar maintenance is likely the cause

https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/NNumberResult?nNumberTxt=611VG
https://onespotter.com/aircraft/fid/310000/N32PB

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would cause a depressurization event in an aircraft like this one?

It was a 33 year old plane that was previously registered in Venezuela. Subpar maintenance is likely the cause

https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/NNumberResult?nNumberTxt=611VG
https://onespotter.com/aircraft/fid/310000/N32PB

Wait, how can you tell it was previously registered in Venezuela?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll confess to not reading the entire thread but jumped in on pg. 14, not 16. Just saw the news on the crash site. The plane was ...descimated. There were no plane-like parts to be recognized.

I think it was shot down. If it was, will we ever know?

I don't think the Air Force would have any problem confirming that they shot the plane down. The pilot and passengers were already dead, and it posed a threat to people on the ground if it landed somewhere populated.

There is no reason to believe it was shot down. It didn't have enough fuel to get back to TN.

Assuming this was luck that it landed somewhere rural, what happens if we’re not so lucky and it runs out of fuel over a populated area? Would shooting it down be the better option or not b/c the scattering of parts? Do you just let the one unlucky Area bear the brunt of a giant single crash instead of a smattering of pieces?

I live in Arlington and my house rumbles sometimes from the helicopters and jets that fly overhead. You hope for the best but this is a fear of mine. I guess I had assumed there was a better plan for this type of situation.

Why do we allow such old planes with outdate safety features to fly? Someone mentioned a newer plane would have had loud alarms and oxygen masks. Maybe we shouldn’t be letting rich people play roulette with the lives of people on the ground with planes that are decades old. I hate little planes and will never ride in one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What would cause a depressurization event in an aircraft like this one?

It was a 33 year old plane that was previously registered in Venezuela. Subpar maintenance is likely the cause

https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/NNumberResult?nNumberTxt=611VG
https://onespotter.com/aircraft/fid/310000/N32PB

Wait, how can you tell it was previously registered in Venezuela?

The FAA gives you the serial number, onespotter gives you that's plane's history. Rich guy wanted to buy a plane but was either too cheap or too poor to afford a safe one and it cost him his family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll confess to not reading the entire thread but jumped in on pg. 14, not 16. Just saw the news on the crash site. The plane was ...descimated. There were no plane-like parts to be recognized.

I think it was shot down. If it was, will we ever know?

I don't think the Air Force would have any problem confirming that they shot the plane down. The pilot and passengers were already dead, and it posed a threat to people on the ground if it landed somewhere populated.

There is no reason to believe it was shot down. It didn't have enough fuel to get back to TN.

Assuming this was luck that it landed somewhere rural, what happens if we’re not so lucky and it runs out of fuel over a populated area? Would shooting it down be the better option or not b/c the scattering of parts? Do you just let the one unlucky Area bear the brunt of a giant single crash instead of a smattering of pieces?

I live in Arlington and my house rumbles sometimes from the helicopters and jets that fly overhead. You hope for the best but this is a fear of mine. I guess I had assumed there was a better plan for this type of situation.

Why do we allow such old planes with outdate safety features to fly? Someone mentioned a newer plane would have had loud alarms and oxygen masks. Maybe we shouldn’t be letting rich people play roulette with the lives of people on the ground with planes that are decades old. I hate little planes and will never ride in one.

ATC had a reasonable idea of where it would end up, they're good at math. If they knew it would likely crash into Knoxville or Roanoke or another small or large town, they may have made a different decision - or maybe not. Not sure that shooting down an American plane over American soil would necessarily be safer for anyone and it would be a Big Decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) I didn't hear the sonic boom (live in Fairfax) and am questioning my hearing
2) This reinforces why I will never fly on a private plan (as if that was an option for me to begin with...)
3) I get it, Trump is awful but I wish the news would not focus so much on the bereaved parents' political affiliations...not really the time
4) I'm curious how you adopt someone who is a grown adult. Is it just symbolic, or was there actually a legal adoption? This also makes me curious about her family of origin as she went to a $$$$$$ NYC private school
5) What a sad story overall

1. I live in Woodley Park and posted yesterday, didn't hear or feel a thing. However, the plane flew right over my house, in looking at the flight map, which is eerie.

3. ITA, think it is totally gross to constantly mention that the parents are MAGA/NRA donors. Who cares?

4. I am curious about this too. I get that they adopted her because she reminded them of their late dd, but I am not sure what makes a 40yo adult woman agree to be adopted by a couple she didn't grow up with. Not judging her, it sounds like they were a chosen family which is lovely, but just curious. Wonder if she didn't get along with her bio parents or if they were deceased or what?

Is it possible she latched herself on to a rich family who was missing their daughter? I guess people here are avoiding speaking ill of the dead but weird that no one is questioning her intentions in this "adoption" scenario.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll confess to not reading the entire thread but jumped in on pg. 14, not 16. Just saw the news on the crash site. The plane was ...descimated. There were no plane-like parts to be recognized.

I think it was shot down. If it was, will we ever know?

I don't think the Air Force would have any problem confirming that they shot the plane down. The pilot and passengers were already dead, and it posed a threat to people on the ground if it landed somewhere populated.

There is no reason to believe it was shot down. It didn't have enough fuel to get back to TN.

Assuming this was luck that it landed somewhere rural, what happens if we’re not so lucky and it runs out of fuel over a populated area? Would shooting it down be the better option or not b/c the scattering of parts? Do you just let the one unlucky Area bear the brunt of a giant single crash instead of a smattering of pieces?

I live in Arlington and my house rumbles sometimes from the helicopters and jets that fly overhead. You hope for the best but this is a fear of mine. I guess I had assumed there was a better plan for this type of situation.

Why do we allow such old planes with outdate safety features to fly? Someone mentioned a newer plane would have had loud alarms and oxygen masks. Maybe we shouldn’t be letting rich people play roulette with the lives of people on the ground with planes that are decades old. I hate little planes and will never ride in one.

ATC had a reasonable idea of where it would end up, they're good at math. If they knew it would likely crash into Knoxville or Roanoke or another small or large town, they may have made a different decision - or maybe not. Not sure that shooting down an American plane over American soil would necessarily be safer for anyone and it would be a Big Decision.

It seems like shooting it down over a sparsely populated area would be a safer choice than allowing it to crash near a dense area. I think most Americans would understand, especially if the passengers were likely brain dead from lack of oxygen. But agree it would be a big decision and not one I’d envy anyone making.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) I didn't hear the sonic boom (live in Fairfax) and am questioning my hearing
2) This reinforces why I will never fly on a private plan (as if that was an option for me to begin with...)
3) I get it, Trump is awful but I wish the news would not focus so much on the bereaved parents' political affiliations...not really the time
4) I'm curious how you adopt someone who is a grown adult. Is it just symbolic, or was there actually a legal adoption? This also makes me curious about her family of origin as she went to a $$$$$$ NYC private school
5) What a sad story overall

1. I live in Woodley Park and posted yesterday, didn't hear or feel a thing. However, the plane flew right over my house, in looking at the flight map, which is eerie.

3. ITA, think it is totally gross to constantly mention that the parents are MAGA/NRA donors. Who cares?

4. I am curious about this too. I get that they adopted her because she reminded them of their late dd, but I am not sure what makes a 40yo adult woman agree to be adopted by a couple she didn't grow up with. Not judging her, it sounds like they were a chosen family which is lovely, but just curious. Wonder if she didn't get along with her bio parents or if they were deceased or what?

Is it possible she latched herself on to a rich family who was missing their daughter? I guess people here are avoiding speaking ill of the dead but weird that no one is questioning her intentions in this "adoption" scenario.

I mean, maybe? We will likely never know how these people met or why they offered to adopt her or why she agreed to be adopted at 40. I have not seen many mentions of her childhood - sounds like she grew up in NYC but most of the quotes to the media are from friends who knew her as an adult, no siblings or bio. parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) I didn't hear the sonic boom (live in Fairfax) and am questioning my hearing
2) This reinforces why I will never fly on a private plan (as if that was an option for me to begin with...)
3) I get it, Trump is awful but I wish the news would not focus so much on the bereaved parents' political affiliations...not really the time
4) I'm curious how you adopt someone who is a grown adult. Is it just symbolic, or was there actually a legal adoption? This also makes me curious about her family of origin as she went to a $$$$$$ NYC private school
5) What a sad story overall

1. I live in Woodley Park and posted yesterday, didn't hear or feel a thing. However, the plane flew right over my house, in looking at the flight map, which is eerie.

3. ITA, think it is totally gross to constantly mention that the parents are MAGA/NRA donors. Who cares?

4. I am curious about this too. I get that they adopted her because she reminded them of their late dd, but I am not sure what makes a 40yo adult woman agree to be adopted by a couple she didn't grow up with. Not judging her, it sounds like they were a chosen family which is lovely, but just curious. Wonder if she didn't get along with her bio parents or if they were deceased or what?

Is it possible she latched herself on to a rich family who was missing their daughter? I guess people here are avoiding speaking ill of the dead but weird that no one is questioning her intentions in this "adoption" scenario.

I mean, maybe? We will likely never know how these people met or why they offered to adopt her or why she agreed to be adopted at 40. I have not seen many mentions of her childhood - sounds like she grew up in NYC but most of the quotes to the media are from friends who knew her as an adult, no siblings or bio. parents.

Yeah but a cousin who is close to her has spoken out talking about how they missed her when she moved to East Hampton but how happy she was to be there with her daughter. Weird.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1) I didn't hear the sonic boom (live in Fairfax) and am questioning my hearing
2) This reinforces why I will never fly on a private plan (as if that was an option for me to begin with...)
3) I get it, Trump is awful but I wish the news would not focus so much on the bereaved parents' political affiliations...not really the time
4) I'm curious how you adopt someone who is a grown adult. Is it just symbolic, or was there actually a legal adoption? This also makes me curious about her family of origin as she went to a $$$$$$ NYC private school
5) What a sad story overall

1. I live in Woodley Park and posted yesterday, didn't hear or feel a thing. However, the plane flew right over my house, in looking at the flight map, which is eerie.

3. ITA, think it is totally gross to constantly mention that the parents are MAGA/NRA donors. Who cares?

4. I am curious about this too. I get that they adopted her because she reminded them of their late dd, but I am not sure what makes a 40yo adult woman agree to be adopted by a couple she didn't grow up with. Not judging her, it sounds like they were a chosen family which is lovely, but just curious. Wonder if she didn't get along with her bio parents or if they were deceased or what?

Is it possible she latched herself on to a rich family who was missing their daughter? I guess people here are avoiding speaking ill of the dead but weird that no one is questioning her intentions in this "adoption" scenario.

I mean, maybe? We will likely never know how these people met or why they offered to adopt her or why she agreed to be adopted at 40. I have not seen many mentions of her childhood - sounds like she grew up in NYC but most of the quotes to the media are from friends who knew her as an adult, no siblings or bio. parents.

Yeah but a cousin who is close to her has spoken out talking about how they missed her when she moved to East Hampton but how happy she was to be there with her daughter. Weird.

Interesting. Looks like her bio mom lives in NH and was estranged from her for about nine years - which would track with her being adopted nine years ago. Sounds like she had a tough relationship with her mom, which may be why a chosen family worked so well for her.

https://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-woman-virginia-plane-crash/44099357