Boundaries assessment update 2023

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Anonymous wrote:Came across this letter from 2019 - it's kind of sad because you have a loyal Democrat in the Mount Vernon district thinking somehow FCPS was going to adjust the West Potomac/Mount Vernon boundary to take advantage of capacity at MV and boost MV's academics and programs.

Didn't happen then, probably won't happen now. Especially since Corbett Sanders went right along with expanding West Potomac to 3000 seats.

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/aug/12/opinion-letter-editor-get-involved-boundary-proces/

It turns out that no one wants to be rezoned so that a terrible school can be slightly less terrible.

You're an ugly person.

Are we not allowed to say that a school in constant danger of losing accreditation where 1% of students manage to get pass advanced on math sols is a terrible school?

You are going to find most schools to have more students getting pass proficient than pass advanced on recent math SOLs. And MV is currently fully accredited, not accredited with conditions.

You're still a jerk.

DP people in WSHS pyramid won't willingly go along with redistricting because real estate values would tank. A lot of that market is military families and they will no longer buy/rent there if zoned to a bad school. Not so easy to get elected officials to pull the trigger on rezoning when it comes with consequences to their constituents.

Propping up real estate values isn't a valid reason to avoid boundary discussions. FCPS caters specifically to the Fort Belvoir military community with their two ES schools within Fort Belvoir and the MVHS pyramid. It doesn't make sense that the status quo is for parents on base to transfer out of their initial pyramid fter ES so that they can get a good education. That needs to be addressed.

How do you address it? WestPo is at 40% farms- are you really going to push that higher? Thanks the belvoir, hayfield is actually pretty isolated from neighborhoods zoned for MVHS. South County is too far away to be part of the solution

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Anonymous wrote:Came across this letter from 2019 - it's kind of sad because you have a loyal Democrat in the Mount Vernon district thinking somehow FCPS was going to adjust the West Potomac/Mount Vernon boundary to take advantage of capacity at MV and boost MV's academics and programs.

Didn't happen then, probably won't happen now. Especially since Corbett Sanders went right along with expanding West Potomac to 3000 seats.

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/aug/12/opinion-letter-editor-get-involved-boundary-proces/

It turns out that no one wants to be rezoned so that a terrible school can be slightly less terrible.

You're an ugly person.

Are we not allowed to say that a school in constant danger of losing accreditation where 1% of students manage to get pass advanced on math sols is a terrible school?

You are going to find most schools to have more students getting pass proficient than pass advanced on recent math SOLs. And MV is currently fully accredited, not accredited with conditions.

You're still a jerk.

DP people in WSHS pyramid won't willingly go along with redistricting because real estate values would tank. A lot of that market is military families and they will no longer buy/rent there if zoned to a bad school. Not so easy to get elected officials to pull the trigger on rezoning when it comes with consequences to their constituents.

Propping up real estate values isn't a valid reason to avoid boundary discussions. FCPS caters specifically to the Fort Belvoir military community with their two ES schools within Fort Belvoir and the MVHS pyramid. It doesn't make sense that the status quo is for parents on base to transfer out of their initial pyramid fter ES so that they can get a good education. That needs to be addressed.

How do you address it? WestPo is at 40% farms- are you really going to push that higher? Thanks the belvoir, hayfield is actually pretty isolated from neighborhoods zoned for MVHS. South County is too far away to be part of the solution

You are basically arguing we should continue to write off Mount Vernon to protect the status quo at West Potomac. Expanding West Potomac as much as they did when Mount Vernon had space was an egregious waste of taxpayer money.

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Anonymous wrote:Came across this letter from 2019 - it's kind of sad because you have a loyal Democrat in the Mount Vernon district thinking somehow FCPS was going to adjust the West Potomac/Mount Vernon boundary to take advantage of capacity at MV and boost MV's academics and programs.

Didn't happen then, probably won't happen now. Especially since Corbett Sanders went right along with expanding West Potomac to 3000 seats.

http://www.connectionnewspapers.com/news/2019/aug/12/opinion-letter-editor-get-involved-boundary-proces/

It turns out that no one wants to be rezoned so that a terrible school can be slightly less terrible.

You're an ugly person.

Are we not allowed to say that a school in constant danger of losing accreditation where 1% of students manage to get pass advanced on math sols is a terrible school?

You are going to find most schools to have more students getting pass proficient than pass advanced on recent math SOLs. And MV is currently fully accredited, not accredited with conditions.

You're still a jerk.

DP people in WSHS pyramid won't willingly go along with redistricting because real estate values would tank. A lot of that market is military families and they will no longer buy/rent there if zoned to a bad school. Not so easy to get elected officials to pull the trigger on rezoning when it comes with consequences to their constituents.

Propping up real estate values isn't a valid reason to avoid boundary discussions. FCPS caters specifically to the Fort Belvoir military community with their two ES schools within Fort Belvoir and the MVHS pyramid. It doesn't make sense that the status quo is for parents on base to transfer out of their initial pyramid fter ES so that they can get a good education. That needs to be addressed.

How do you address it? WestPo is at 40% farms- are you really going to push that higher? Thanks the belvoir, hayfield is actually pretty isolated from neighborhoods zoned for MVHS. South County is too far away to be part of the solution

You are basically arguing we should continue to write off Mount Vernon to protect the status quo at West Potomac. Expanding West Potomac as much as they did when Mount Vernon had space was an egregious waste of taxpayer money.

Ok, why schools switch, and what does that do to both schools’ farms rate?

[Anonymous]

I live in Western Fairfax and do not know the neighborhoods in Mt Vernon area well.

Some questions:
would redistricting keep neighborhoods together or divide them?
would it result in split feeders?
From looking at the maps, it appears that W Potomac lines are reasonable. But, I don't know all the caveats.

How many Mt Vernon kids are pp at West Potomac or other nearby schools for AP?

I would suggest by getting rid of IB at Mt Vernon sooner rather than later. Go from there. But, as long as it is IB, people will have an "out."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in Western Fairfax and do not know the neighborhoods in Mt Vernon area well.

Some questions:
would redistricting keep neighborhoods together or divide them?
would it result in split feeders?
From looking at the maps, it appears that W Potomac lines are reasonable. But, I don't know all the caveats.

How many Mt Vernon kids are pp at West Potomac or other nearby schools for AP?

I would suggest by getting rid of IB at Mt Vernon sooner rather than later. Go from there. But, as long as it is IB, people will have an "out."

The largest group leaving MVHS is military and FCPS has a policy of letting them choose high schools. As many go to west Springfield as westpo. The boundaries make sense, but you could move Ft Hunt and Waynewood to MVHS and the boundaries would still make sense. All that would do is flip the farms percentages and then people would be upset about West Potomac being high farms. Both schools are high farms and you aren’t going to create to schools with rates the county finds acceptable unless you involve more schools and that doesn’t make geographic sense

[Anonymous]

The largest group leaving MVHS is military and FCPS has a policy of letting them choose high schools. As many go to west Springfield as westpo. The boundaries make sense, but you could move Ft Hunt and Waynewood to MVHS and the boundaries would still make sense. All that would do is flip the farms percentages and then people would be upset about West Potomac being high farms. Both schools are high farms and you aren’t going to create to schools with rates the county finds acceptable unless you involve more schools and that doesn’t make geographic sense

Am I missing something here?
I sure wish you would explain that they get to choose high schools. Most military rent or purchase--unless they live on post. They go to school in their own boundaries. Far more FCPS military kids live off post than on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Western Fairfax and do not know the neighborhoods in Mt Vernon area well.

Some questions:
would redistricting keep neighborhoods together or divide them?
would it result in split feeders?
From looking at the maps, it appears that W Potomac lines are reasonable. But, I don't know all the caveats.

How many Mt Vernon kids are pp at West Potomac or other nearby schools for AP?

I would suggest by getting rid of IB at Mt Vernon sooner rather than later. Go from there. But, as long as it is IB, people will have an "out."

The largest group leaving MVHS is military and FCPS has a policy of letting them choose high schools. As many go to west Springfield as westpo. The boundaries make sense, but you could move Ft Hunt and Waynewood to MVHS and the boundaries would still make sense. All that would do is flip the farms percentages and then people would be upset about West Potomac being high farms. Both schools are high farms and you aren’t going to create to schools with rates the county finds acceptable unless you involve more schools and that doesn’t make geographic sense

Excuses, excuses.

[Anonymous]

As long as Mt Vernon has IB and not AP, students will leave. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Western Fairfax and do not know the neighborhoods in Mt Vernon area well.

Some questions:
would redistricting keep neighborhoods together or divide them?
would it result in split feeders?
From looking at the maps, it appears that W Potomac lines are reasonable. But, I don't know all the caveats.

How many Mt Vernon kids are pp at West Potomac or other nearby schools for AP?

I would suggest by getting rid of IB at Mt Vernon sooner rather than later. Go from there. But, as long as it is IB, people will have an "out."

The largest group leaving MVHS is military and FCPS has a policy of letting them choose high schools. As many go to west Springfield as westpo. The boundaries make sense, but you could move Ft Hunt and Waynewood to MVHS and the boundaries would still make sense. All that would do is flip the farms percentages and then people would be upset about West Potomac being high farms. Both schools are high farms and you aren’t going to create to schools with rates the county finds acceptable unless you involve more schools and that doesn’t make geographic sense

Excuses, excuses.

What’s your solution?

[Anonymous]

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The largest group leaving MVHS is military and FCPS has a policy of letting them choose high schools. As many go to west Springfield as westpo. The boundaries make sense, but you could move Ft Hunt and Waynewood to MVHS and the boundaries would still make sense. All that would do is flip the farms percentages and then people would be upset about West Potomac being high farms. Both schools are high farms and you aren’t going to create to schools with rates the county finds acceptable unless you involve more schools and that doesn’t make geographic sense

Am I missing something here?
I sure wish you would explain that they get to choose high schools. Most military rent or purchase--unless they live on post. They go to school in their own boundaries. Far more FCPS military kids live off post than on.

Military students who live off post go to the school they are zoned for. But there is some DOD rule that students who live on post can transfer to another school with no reason necessary. I'm not sure of the specifics, but many Fort Belvoir students transfer to Hayfield under this policy.

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The largest group leaving MVHS is military and FCPS has a policy of letting them choose high schools. As many go to west Springfield as westpo. The boundaries make sense, but you could move Ft Hunt and Waynewood to MVHS and the boundaries would still make sense. All that would do is flip the farms percentages and then people would be upset about West Potomac being high farms. Both schools are high farms and you aren’t going to create to schools with rates the county finds acceptable unless you involve more schools and that doesn’t make geographic sense

Am I missing something here?
I sure wish you would explain that they get to choose high schools. Most military rent or purchase--unless they live on post. They go to school in their own boundaries. Far more FCPS military kids live off post than on.

Military students who live off post go to the school they are zoned for. But there is some DOD rule that students who live on post can transfer to another school with no reason necessary. I'm not sure of the specifics, but many Fort Belvoir students transfer to Hayfield under this policy.

Maybe it is because Mount Vernon has IB. Any FCPS student has the right to transfer for that.

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FWIW, there are likely not too many high school students who actually live in military housing. In the military, the families tend to have younger kids. I taught in DOD schools. The elementary schools were much, much larger than the high schools on Army posts generally--unless there are several elementary schools on post. In my elementary school there were six first grades and three sixth grades and there . Military members are more likely to retire as kids reach high school age.

I've no idea how many high school students live on Fort Belvoir. My guess would be 300 or so at most. There are 2000 housing units. Most would likely have younger children.

[Anonymous]

Here's hoping for a western high school. I'd really like to get the Herndon kids out of Oakton. They're not part of our community.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's hoping for a western high school. I'd really like to get the Herndon kids out of Oakton. They're not part of our community.

Uh, what community? Oakton isn't much of a community to begin with. It's basically just the areas near Vienna and Fairfax that aren't Vienna or Fairfax.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's hoping for a western high school. I'd really like to get the Herndon kids out of Oakton. They're not part of our community.

There are no Herndon kids at Oakton.