Glad MCPS is getting sued

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many books to choose from. Why seek the books that are gay? You can claim inclusion but is the county also reading books regarding the deaf? Those in wheel chairs? Those with adhd? Those that are developmentally delayed? Etc? The answer is no. Allow the parents to teach inclusion, as they see fit and the schools teach the core subjects.

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Its insane how gay lobby is forcing everyone to just focus on gay agenda. Keep the politics out of school, just teach core subjects. Do your main job and stop pandering to one group at expense of other.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many books to choose from. Why seek the books that are gay? You can claim inclusion but is the county also reading books regarding the deaf? Those in wheel chairs? Those with adhd? Those that are developmentally delayed? Etc? The answer is no. Allow the parents to teach inclusion, as they see fit and the schools teach the core subjects.

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Its insane how gay lobby is forcing everyone to just focus on gay agenda. Keep the politics out of school, just teach core subjects. Do your main job and stop pandering to one group at expense of other.

IKR! One book per grade is one too many!

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Thank you to whoever posted the law suit.

150. Indeed, a poll by the Washington Post and University of Maryland showed
that, among registered voters, sixty-six percent of Marylanders disapproved of
Case 8:23-cv-01380-TJS Document 1 Filed 05/24/23
schoolteachers discussing LGBTQ issues with students from kindergarten through
third grade. Nicole Asbury and Emily Guskin, Most Md. voters say elementary school
discussion of LGBTQ acceptance ‘inappropriate,’ The Washington Post (Oct. 12,
2022), https://perma.cc/6NED-E9RH.

151. Fifty-six percent disapproved for fourth and fifth graders. Id.

152. Even for middle schoolers, forty-two percent of voters disapproved. Id.

153. Only for high schoolers, did a strong majority support such conversations,
with only twenty-seven percent of voters disapproving. Id

https://becketnewsite.s3.amazonaws.com/20230524130022/Complaint-in-Mahmoud-v.-McKnight.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

We left MoCo about a year ago and moved to a more mainstream, centrist area in a different region of the country. Sometimes I look at this forum to see what's changed. Anyway, you should think creatively and see what you can do to move. You'll likely find a much better area.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

We left MoCo about a year ago and moved to a more mainstream, centrist area in a different region of the country. Sometimes I look at this forum to see what's changed. Anyway, you should think creatively and see what you can do to move. You'll likely find a much better area.

two more years until my kid graduates. If my kid were in elementary, all I’d have to do is move to Prince George’s County. They believe in all types of diversity and they walk the walk.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many books to choose from. Why seek the books that are gay? You can claim inclusion but is the county also reading books regarding the deaf? Those in wheel chairs? Those with adhd? Those that are developmentally delayed? Etc? The answer is no. Allow the parents to teach inclusion, as they see fit and the schools teach the core subjects.

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Its insane how gay lobby is forcing everyone to just focus on gay agenda. Keep the politics out of school, just teach core subjects. Do your main job and stop pandering to one group at expense of other.

What's insane is that some people can't accept that the world includes gay families and are incredibly bigotted.

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So all these astroturfers posting here are freaked out because a book includes a family with two moms? People need to get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many books to choose from. Why seek the books that are gay? You can claim inclusion but is the county also reading books regarding the deaf? Those in wheel chairs? Those with adhd? Those that are developmentally delayed? Etc? The answer is no. Allow the parents to teach inclusion, as they see fit and the schools teach the core subjects.

+1

Its insane how gay lobby is forcing everyone to just focus on gay agenda. Keep the politics out of school, just teach core subjects. Do your main job and stop pandering to one group at expense of other.

What's insane is that some people can't accept that the world includes gay families and are incredibly bigotted.

What’s insane is some people can’t accept that the world includes people of different religious faiths who don’t want their young children exposed to this on an instructional level.

What’s insane is that MCPS took away the opt-out option for families. That was a happy medium that permitted instruction in the schools, but allowed those who disagreed to opt their children out of instruction on that one topic. THAT’s how you make room for diversity in schools. That’s all these parents are asking for.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many books to choose from. Why seek the books that are gay? You can claim inclusion but is the county also reading books regarding the deaf? Those in wheel chairs? Those with adhd? Those that are developmentally delayed? Etc? The answer is no. Allow the parents to teach inclusion, as they see fit and the schools teach the core subjects.

+1

Its insane how gay lobby is forcing everyone to just focus on gay agenda. Keep the politics out of school, just teach core subjects. Do your main job and stop pandering to one group at expense of other.

What's insane is that some people can't accept that the world includes gay families and are incredibly bigotted.

What’s insane is some people can’t accept that the world includes people of different religious faiths who don’t want their young children exposed to this on an instructional level.

What’s insane is that MCPS took away the opt-out option for families. That was a happy medium that permitted instruction in the schools, but allowed those who disagreed to opt their children out of instruction on that one topic. THAT’s how you make room for diversity in schools. That’s all these parents are asking for.

It was not a "happy medium." It's a huge waste of time for the teachers and admin to have to handle the logistics of identifying books that may have some content some parent wants to opt out from (could be any book) and then contacting parents ahead of time, tracking who wants to opt out of which books, finding alternate activities for them to do, etc. Ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

Religious bigotry is not diversity. Why can’t you be diverse and accept that some people hate the gays?

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Anonymous wrote:I think some of these books are problematic and I can understand why parents want to opt-out. I think MCPS has a good chance of losing based on freedom of religion grounds.

My daughter was forced to read a Boy Named Penelope and we don't agree with the viewpoints expressed in that book. I think it's dangerous for MCPS to take a stance on gender theory. None of this stuff is settled and we are very much in the throes of a societal debate about it, so people acting like people who disagree are neanderthals are wrong. There's lots of room for shades of gray here, but the activists won't allow it.

I think they are opting for the inclusivity of ALL of their students. The religious right doesn't get to decide for everyone any more and they are having a hissy fit about it.

They are not opting for the inclusivity of ALL of their students because Muslim parents are TELLING you these books and teachings about LGBTQ sexual norms and family structures VIOLATE their faith. They're not the only ones who this applies to.

You can't say you're inclusive for all when a significant chunk of students, who are Muslim or more conservative Christian, tell you this violates their faith. You're choosing to offend some to please others. And that's fine. But that's NOT inclusive and is the opposite of that.

I'm going to the church of the spaghetti monster and stupidity greatly offends me. I think we should have it banned. Does anyone want to join me in the class action against stupidity?

1. Get your church recognized as a church

2. File a lawsuit and try your luck

1. That is a church

2. They are both very litigious and very successful in their litigation.

Then may the best church win.

HOw about we keep religion out of schools altogether? Instill those values at home if you wish, but I don't care what religious sensibilities the curriculum is offending.

I think we could all get behind that if you would admit that your efforts to promote certain social and environmental agendas were also a religion (see definition of "dogma").

What you view as "promoting as certain social and environmental agendas" the rest of us view as acknowledging that these kids exists, allowing them to exist and including them instead of stuffing our head in the sand and hiding behind religion in order to bully these kids into depression and suicide. Someone's mare existence is not "dogma."

Gay and trans kids don't exist. Kids haven't gone through puberty and don't know who they are attracted to. Understanding your gender is a developmental step that most grasp at much earlier ages. Apparently some are either delayed or have parents with Munchausen by Proxy. In either case, they need help to escape either their own delusion or their parent's, not celebration.

I had started puberty and knew who I was attracted to by fifth grade. I wasn't even halfway through my schooling then.

Ok well the lawsuit is dealing with material given to children younger than 5th grade. My second grader knows that some people are gay (we have gay friends) but there is no need to personally reflect on sexuality at age 7.

So at what age do you start to teach kids about sexuality. Or are you one of those people who waits until puberty to tell kids about basic human reproduction?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many books to choose from. Why seek the books that are gay? You can claim inclusion but is the county also reading books regarding the deaf? Those in wheel chairs? Those with adhd? Those that are developmentally delayed? Etc? The answer is no. Allow the parents to teach inclusion, as they see fit and the schools teach the core subjects.

The answer to these questions is YES. Teachers and kids do read books about deaf persons, autism, and a myriad of other things. The Boy called Bat, The Girl who Thought in Pictures, I am Helen Keller, Whi was Louis Braille, just to name a few.

The problem seems to be some of ya’ll don’t actually expose your kids to diverse reading material at home so seem surprised that schools are trying to be sure ALL kids see themselves, families, and cultures represented in book.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they win. I'm fine with my kid learning this stuff, but we also have to be fine with people who want to opt out. Not everyone can afford private school.

Who want to opt out of what, exactly? Reading books in school?

Yes. Put them in the school library. Don’t make them part of lesson plans, though. If they are, kids should be allowed to opt out.

It sounds like you would be happier in Virginia. Although even in VA, they only notify parents if books contain sexual content, and the existence of trans characters does not meet the criteria for sexual content.

Is Virginia more tolerant than here? Of different religious beliefs? Then maybe I should. MoCo wants everyone to think the same and there is absolutely zero room for diversity of thought.

Religious bigotry is not diversity. Why can’t you be diverse and accept that some people hate the gays?

you are bigoted against certain religions who feel differently than you. parents opting out of instruction doesn’t harm any other kid in class. It’s a balance that makes room for different kinds of people. which is what America is supposed to do.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many books to choose from. Why seek the books that are gay? You can claim inclusion but is the county also reading books regarding the deaf? Those in wheel chairs? Those with adhd? Those that are developmentally delayed? Etc? The answer is no. Allow the parents to teach inclusion, as they see fit and the schools teach the core subjects.

+1

Its insane how gay lobby is forcing everyone to just focus on gay agenda. Keep the politics out of school, just teach core subjects. Do your main job and stop pandering to one group at expense of other.

What's insane is that some people can't accept that the world includes gay families and are incredibly bigotted.

What’s insane is some people can’t accept that the world includes people of different religious faiths who don’t want their young children exposed to this on an instructional level.

What’s insane is that MCPS took away the opt-out option for families. That was a happy medium that permitted instruction in the schools, but allowed those who disagreed to opt their children out of instruction on that one topic. THAT’s how you make room for diversity in schools. That’s all these parents are asking for.

It was not a "happy medium." It's a huge waste of time for the teachers and admin to have to handle the logistics of identifying books that may have some content some parent wants to opt out from (could be any book) and then contacting parents ahead of time, tracking who wants to opt out of which books, finding alternate activities for them to do, etc. Ridiculous.

They should have thought about that before adding to the curriculum.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many books to choose from. Why seek the books that are gay? You can claim inclusion but is the county also reading books regarding the deaf? Those in wheel chairs? Those with adhd? Those that are developmentally delayed? Etc? The answer is no. Allow the parents to teach inclusion, as they see fit and the schools teach the core subjects.

+1

Its insane how gay lobby is forcing everyone to just focus on gay agenda. Keep the politics out of school, just teach core subjects. Do your main job and stop pandering to one group at expense of other.

What's insane is that some people can't accept that the world includes gay families and are incredibly bigotted.

What’s insane is some people can’t accept that the world includes people of different religious faiths who don’t want their young children exposed to this on an instructional level.

What’s insane is that MCPS took away the opt-out option for families. That was a happy medium that permitted instruction in the schools, but allowed those who disagreed to opt their children out of instruction on that one topic. THAT’s how you make room for diversity in schools. That’s all these parents are asking for.

It was not a "happy medium." It's a huge waste of time for the teachers and admin to have to handle the logistics of identifying books that may have some content some parent wants to opt out from (could be any book) and then contacting parents ahead of time, tracking who wants to opt out of which books, finding alternate activities for them to do, etc. Ridiculous.

They should have thought about that before adding to the curriculum.

Agreed. The ELA curriculum should not have any books about anything that somebody might want to be notified/opt out of, which is everything. No books for the ELA curriculum. (Alternatively, no ELA curriculum at all, or even simpler, no public schools. Coincidentally, "no public schools" is the goal for plenty of the activists who are shoving the hatred-of-LGBTQ-people agenda down our throats.)