Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?

Anonymous
If anything, the ivy league schools are more political and less tolerant of dissenting views. ND, just like other elite schools, leans left, but not as left as other schools, enabling more discourse about issues without alienating those with more conservative views. This was one of the main reasons my son, who is moderate politically, chose ND.
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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.


?? Mine looked at Georgetown and Notre Dame, far preferred Notre Dame and is thriving there.


You’re not Catholic, obviously. “Evangelicals” is a Protestant thing.

The biggest complaint by conservative ND alums is that the school has become too liberal and is betraying Catholic values.


What do you call religious extremists who are trying to force their religious beliefs on you?

“Evangelical” sounds appropriate.


You are angry at a handful of politicians and judges who happen to be Catholic (or used to be in the case of Gorsuch and Barrett -- her organization is primarily Protestant), conveniently ignoring the fact that many Catholic politicians and judges, including two on the Supreme Court and the President, hold the same political view that you do. You are incorrectly painting an entire religion and any school associated with that religion, with a single political brush. That is bigotry.


We are discussing ND. The SCOTUS justice from ND is a religious extremist.


So what? She is one person and not even remotely representative of everyone at the school. You can't be that ignorant? And lots of ND law professors wrote a letter not supporting her. You will find differences of opinion at ND and other colleges. If you write off an entire school because of the voice of one or even a handful of its people, you will be writing off every decent school, and giving up on the opportunity to hear all kinds of opinions, which only makes you smarter and better able to hone your own.


Not to mention that Kavanaugh, Thomas and Alito all went to Yale, yet no one is painting the entirety of Yale University with their brush.

Bigotry plain and simple.


Isn’t this a thread about Notre Dame?


I don’t understand the narrow minded view about religion classes. Any form of religion has never been my thing. I had to obtain four humanities credits to graduate. As a really poor kid I waltzed into an English lit class and observed the prep school kids had already read the books. I raced over to my adviser and drop add and he suggested religion classes (the school had one of the best divinity schools). I thought he was crazy but he convinced me I could engage in critical analysis without theological hang-ups. I saw classmates struggle with reconciling exploring tensions in and between documents and their theology. Not so with me, and it was a great experience. Still in no way religious. I did put emphasis on being respectful but never bought into the religious game. Don’t take this as me being some kind of master of toleration- I was recruited as a non Mormon athlete at BYU (my sport has long been their best sport) and properly and immediately thought it was nuts, but the study of religion was fascinating (as opposed to theology) and a single course requirement shouldn’t be that big of a deal.
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Does ND admit more students from the area's Catholic schools, or does coming from that environment make it more competitive? Just curious how their selectivity is.
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Anonymous wrote:Does ND admit more students from the area's Catholic schools, or does coming from that environment make it more competitive? Just curious how their selectivity is.


Notre Dame cares more about hard numbers, especially test scores, than many other top schools. If you have those and are at a Catholic school, even better.
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Anonymous wrote:Does ND admit more students from the area's Catholic schools, or does coming from that environment make it more competitive? Just curious how their selectivity is.


Notre Dame cares more about hard numbers, especially test scores, than many other top schools. If you have those and are at a Catholic school, even better.

They have lower test scores than most other T25s
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ND goes for fit over stats. Works well for them.
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Anonymous wrote:ND goes for fit over stats. Works well for them.


Evidence? Our DC's counselor said that though ND is test optional, only heavily hooked students and recruited athletes can expect joy unless they submit score. Acceptance rate fell to 9% this year -- for a school without binding early decision.
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ND has a niche with midwestern Catholic HS grads. Most secular private school or public school grads aren't interested because of the overt religious overtones. Also, the location dims interest among a lot of people.
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Friend’s daughter is at an area Catholic school. She has good grades, average extracurriculars and great test scores (1500 after her 4th attempt). She has been told she will get in due to all the connections she has. When I asked my friend about it, she said that calls had already been made. I feel like this is how it works. Obviously, this girl will do fine anywhere, but the connections from her high school benefiting her have already started. Unlike some schools, ND is all about connections.
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Anonymous wrote:Friend’s daughter is at an area Catholic school. She has good grades, average extracurriculars and great test scores (1500 after her 4th attempt). She has been told she will get in due to all the connections she has. When I asked my friend about it, she said that calls had already been made. I feel like this is how it works. Obviously, this girl will do fine anywhere, but the connections from her high school benefiting her have already started. Unlike some schools, ND is all about connections.


All private schools, with the partial exception of MIT, are all about connections. Harvard is 40% ALDC. ND is no better than others, but unlikely to be worse.
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Anonymous wrote:Friend’s daughter is at an area Catholic school. She has good grades, average extracurriculars and great test scores (1500 after her 4th attempt). She has been told she will get in due to all the connections she has. When I asked my friend about it, she said that calls had already been made. I feel like this is how it works. Obviously, this girl will do fine anywhere, but the connections from her high school benefiting her have already started. Unlike some schools, ND is all about connections.


Wait and see. My 2 legacy, Catholic school kids (2 A-, no Bs between them, tons of AP, 1530, 1550, great EC etc.) didn't get in. I hope it works out for your friends daughter. It's a great place.
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Anonymous wrote:ND has a niche with midwestern Catholic HS grads. Most secular private school or public school grads aren't interested because of the overt religious overtones. Also, the location dims interest among a lot of people.


A T20 school is not a niche.
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Anonymous wrote:ND has a niche with midwestern Catholic HS grads. Most secular private school or public school grads aren't interested because of the overt religious overtones. Also, the location dims interest among a lot of people.


A T20 school is not a niche.


It actually is.
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Anonymous wrote:Conservative evangelicals are ruining the schools. Georgetown seems to have found the sweet spot.


This has to be satire.
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Anonymous wrote:ND has a niche with midwestern Catholic HS grads. Most secular private school or public school grads aren't interested because of the overt religious overtones. Also, the location dims interest among a lot of people.


A T20 school is not a niche.


It actually is.


Other T20 schools like Dartmouth, Rice, Vanderbilt, etc. are as much niche then by whatever standard you apply.
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