Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the “don’t say gay” bill isn’t an advocacy position ?

All I am seeing is that any view that isn’t told from the perspective of white heterosexual men is advocacy and shouldn’t be allowed in schools.

Feminism= bad
Intersectionality= bad
Queer= bad
Black lives=bad

I was thinking about reparations, fwiw.

I think the treatment of religion and faith in Black culture was not the best way to present the topic. Etc.

Florida literally gave reparations to black residents of white mob violence. That’s what is so laughable/cringe about DeSantis and his toadies.

That's one side. So there should be no discussion of the other side?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history

This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.

+1. This isn't a justification that makes sense. In fact, it just makes it clear that the actual objection is to students learning ABOUT forbidden ideas like intersectionality. The response to Angela Davis is simply that she's a Marxist? Is learning about Marxism now forbidden? I'd expect a college level class like this to be able to read Marx himself without interference from the state. It doesn't mean you have to agree or accept them ideas, but you should be able to hear about them.

What’s weird about this is that they quote random things from authors that are not necessarily in the curriculum that will be studied and is appropriate for high schoolers.

For example, let’s look at James Joyce. No one would argue that he shouldn’t be studied in AP Literature. Yet, at the same time, students will NOT be reading his disgustingly sexual letters to his wife Nora, where he goes on and on about wanting to sniff her farts during moments of sexual arousal. Completely inappropriate for a high school lit class. Yet, James Joyce is not banned from high schools.

This document is Strawman after Strawman.

Wait until they find out about the sexual habits of all those Ancient Greeks they love to study as part of their "classical education."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history

This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.

+1. This isn't a justification that makes sense. In fact, it just makes it clear that the actual objection is to students learning ABOUT forbidden ideas like intersectionality. The response to Angela Davis is simply that she's a Marxist? Is learning about Marxism now forbidden? I'd expect a college level class like this to be able to read Marx himself without interference from the state. It doesn't mean you have to agree or accept them ideas, but you should be able to hear about them.

What’s weird about this is that they quote random things from authors that are not necessarily in the curriculum that will be studied and is appropriate for high schoolers.

For example, let’s look at James Joyce. No one would argue that he shouldn’t be studied in AP Literature. Yet, at the same time, students will NOT be reading his disgustingly sexual letters to his wife Nora, where he goes on and on about wanting to sniff her farts during moments of sexual arousal. Completely inappropriate for a high school lit class. Yet, James Joyce is not banned from high schools.

This document is Strawman after Strawman.

Wait until they find out about the sexual habits of all those Ancient Greeks they love to study as part of their "classical education."

Wait till they read s*x references in Shakespeare.

Or the Bible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the “don’t say gay” bill isn’t an advocacy position ?

All I am seeing is that any view that isn’t told from the perspective of white heterosexual men is advocacy and shouldn’t be allowed in schools.

Feminism= bad
Intersectionality= bad
Queer= bad
Black lives=bad

I was thinking about reparations, fwiw.

I think the treatment of religion and faith in Black culture was not the best way to present the topic. Etc.

Florida literally gave reparations to black residents of white mob violence. That’s what is so laughable/cringe about DeSantis and his toadies.

That's one side. So there should be no discussion of the other side?

What other side? Florida literally gave reparations to Black residents after the massacre in Rosewood. That’s a fact. Should this Advanced Placement class teach alternative facts instead?
https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/early-20th-century-us/rosewood-massacre

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the “don’t say gay” bill isn’t an advocacy position ?

All I am seeing is that any view that isn’t told from the perspective of white heterosexual men is advocacy and shouldn’t be allowed in schools.

Feminism= bad
Intersectionality= bad
Queer= bad
Black lives=bad

I was thinking about reparations, fwiw.

I think the treatment of religion and faith in Black culture was not the best way to present the topic. Etc.

Florida literally gave reparations to black residents of white mob violence. That’s what is so laughable/cringe about DeSantis and his toadies.

That's one side. So there should be no discussion of the other side?

What other side? The slaveowners and lynch mobs? Their views have been well represented in Florida history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the “don’t say gay” bill isn’t an advocacy position ?

All I am seeing is that any view that isn’t told from the perspective of white heterosexual men is advocacy and shouldn’t be allowed in schools.

Feminism= bad
Intersectionality= bad
Queer= bad
Black lives=bad

I was thinking about reparations, fwiw.

I think the treatment of religion and faith in Black culture was not the best way to present the topic. Etc.

Florida literally gave reparations to black residents of white mob violence. That’s what is so laughable/cringe about DeSantis and his toadies.

That's one side. So there should be no discussion of the other side?

What other side? Florida literally gave reparations to Black residents after the massacre in Rosewood. That’s a fact. Should this Advanced Placement class teach alternative facts instead?
https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/early-20th-century-us/rosewood-massacre

That the current argument for reparations is for all ADOS. And there are arguments both for and against the idea. Your post is either disingenuous or ignorant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Florida opposes this but is ok with European History, Asian History and Culture, Latin American culture....gee, I wonder what is different?

African American Studies != African History

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida opposes this but is ok with European History, Asian History and Culture, Latin American culture....gee, I wonder what is different?

African American Studies != African History

Nobody said they were equal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And the “don’t say gay” bill isn’t an advocacy position ?

All I am seeing is that any view that isn’t told from the perspective of white heterosexual men is advocacy and shouldn’t be allowed in schools.

Feminism= bad
Intersectionality= bad
Queer= bad
Black lives=bad

I was thinking about reparations, fwiw.

I think the treatment of religion and faith in Black culture was not the best way to present the topic. Etc.

Florida literally gave reparations to black residents of white mob violence. That’s what is so laughable/cringe about DeSantis and his toadies.

That's one side. So there should be no discussion of the other side?

What other side? Florida literally gave reparations to Black residents after the massacre in Rosewood. That’s a fact. Should this Advanced Placement class teach alternative facts instead?
https://www.history.com/.amp/topics/early-20th-century-us/rosewood-massacre

That the current argument for reparations is for all ADOS. And there are arguments both for and against the idea. Your post is either disingenuous or ignorant.

Where does it say that they only present the argument that there should be reparations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history

This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.

Davis is a self-avowed Communist and Marxist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history

This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.

Davis is a self-avowed Communist and Marxist.

she’s also an Antisemite

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history

This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.

+1. This isn't a justification that makes sense. In fact, it just makes it clear that the actual objection is to students learning ABOUT forbidden ideas like intersectionality. The response to Angela Davis is simply that she's a Marxist? Is learning about Marxism now forbidden? I'd expect a college level class like this to be able to read Marx himself without interference from the state. It doesn't mean you have to agree or accept them ideas, but you should be able to hear about them.

Without opposing views?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida opposes this but is ok with European History, Asian History and Culture, Latin American culture....gee, I wonder what is different?

Some of the most controversial issues wrt Black issues of today are presented in an advocacy position, according to the curriculum. The most important topics are treated without critical debate. Teachers may improve the discussion, not if they only follow the SP guidelines, that won't happen.

Is that similar to European culture, Latin American culture, Asian culture?

Correct. The problem is the lack of critical debate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history

This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.

Davis is a self-avowed Communist and Marxist.

Are those topics banned in highschool now or what's your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Florida has elaborated on their reasoning. Some of it is problematic and some of it is (seemingly) correct.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/florida-department-of-education-gives-bizarre-reasoning-for-banning-ap-african-american-history

This article was nearly incoherent. The Florida Sec of Education posted on twitter a pretty little graphic which claims to present their issues with the course. Heaven forbid they present their complaints in a competently-argued written document.



It's funny they object to Angela Davis, when she is specifically mentioned as worthy of study in Florida's own African-American History Standards
https://afroamfl.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/AAHTF-Instructional-Standards-July-2021.pdf (p. 111)

The other scholars and writers they mention by name are all well-known college professors, leading scholars in the field, including at least one Guggenheim fellow.

Even this middle-aged white woman can see that this is purposeful racism to raise DeSantis' status with Trump's base.

Davis is a self-avowed Communist and Marxist.

Are those topics banned in highschool now or what's your point?

It’s who she says she is, not a topic for debate. And that’s not who our nation is. Study it in a comparative sense.