Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten so incredibly toxic. I wish Jeff would lock it.

NO. This thread is fun and I enjoy speculating about celebrity relationships. Just report the toxic MAGA crap -- I support you in that!

But I'm going to be so irritated if one of you gets this thread locked 2 weeks before Taylor goes to the Super Bowl to cheer on Travis. Where will we go to discuss what she wears? Whether she references Kelce at her Tokyo shows? Whether Travis puts a secret message to her in his IG posts leading up to the game? Where will we discuss and pull apart all the players and coaches having to answer press questions about "The Swift Effect." And oh yeah, I'm also hear for continued speculation about whether the entire relationship is fake, a PR ploy designed by reps for Swift, Kelce, NFL, and State Farm to drive revenue and interest in their respective products. I think that conversation is fun too!

Please do not take this away from me. It is the middle of winter, work is annoying, I am a tired middle-aged mom who needs some juicy celeb gossip to get me through. Report the dumb comments about how Taylor is old or ugly or whatever -- those are just the usual DCUM trolls being trolls. Some of us are really enjoying the celeb gossip aspect and I really don't want to take it away because it's so much easier to do this here than on other sites.

I wish all the people saying nasty things about her and dumping on the relationship would go to that toxic thread from a while ago about Taylor and leave this thread for those of us who want positive vibes and escapism via this relationship.

Wait! I’m not maga, I’m quite liberal, but I also think their relationship is being sold to us by the media for some weird reason. It seems so staged and over the top for being such a short relationship. And they’re doing it purposely if they were really dating for a month or two before becoming this massive brand that they are now. It’s fascinating to me! I want to be on this thread too, wouldn’t it be boring if the whole thread was just middle aged women cheering positive vibes for the happy couple?

Thank you!! I'm the PP who really does not want this thread to get shut down (or taken over by the weird MAGA people). I feel like there are people on the thread who are just mega-Swifties (which I have no problem with! I like her music and think it's cool how successful she is) and they want somewhere to just say "omg they are so cute." But, like, try Twitter? I want a place to actually *talk about* the phenomenon that is Taylor & Travis, which I agree is kind of weird due to the speed of their relationship and how it has played out publicly, and I definitely feel like there are weird "synergies" with both the NFL and Kelce's aspiring entertainment career that set off my "fake" radar.

I don't think any of those opinions are "toxic" or "bad vibes." It's just my honest opinion and I think this is interesting and want to discuss it with people who also find it interesting, even if we don't agree about it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a “maga conspiracy” to question the motives behind this boring woman and her alleged relationship being forced down America’s throat.

No one is forcing you to read this thread, watch football or listen to her music.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible he’s gay or bi? He’s quite old to be childless and never married.

Are you the one constantly posting that the 30s are old, on this thread and others? The guy is 34. Do you live in South Dakota (not to insult people who do, but I imagine they marry earlier than those in more urban areas). Calling Taylor creepy at 34, etc. It’s just very stilted and weird.

Aren’t he and his brother from Ohio? Midwest men with money tend to be married with kids before 30. 34 year old childless bachelor going to Taylor Swift concerts is not normal masculine behavior.

LOL what?

You think it’s normal for single and childless middle aged men to go to Swift concerts and know all the words? Not unless they’re dads with daughters. In real life, if you heard of single and childless middle aged men going to Swift or Beyoncé concerts you’d obviously assume they were gay or bi.

Wrong 1000% wrong.

And please go read your bible again your hate for others is shinning through. Seriously go back to your hole.

He's going because that's his girlfriend idiot, not gay. He should know the words to some of her songs. And he is also an uncle to girls so has heard her songs before he started dating her. You are really bending yourself into knots here.

She was not his girlfriend when he went to that concert. She was not his girlfriend when he memorized all of her songs. A middle aged single and childless man listening to Swift and Beyonce is assumed to be gay or bi. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But everyone is focusing on HER alleged being closet gay or bi, maybe they BOTH are? Why is it okay to question her sexuality but not his?

Does he know his BFFFFF is on here talking trash about him? Did he memorize ALL the songs? ALL of them? Did he sing them to you? Who wouldn't go see Beyonce in concert if given the opportunity. It's Beyonce. You literally do not even know him. JFC. Back away from the martini. It's 11 am.

I’m happily married. My husband is not some ultra macho guy but he’s also not learning all the lyrics to Swift’s and Beyoncé’s catalog. And we have daughters. Because frankly that is largely something women and gay men do. You can PRETEND this is progressive and “everyone” loves Swift and Beyoncé, blah blah but it’s not true. Their fan bases are women and gay men. Single bachelors going to their concerts with other men acting like fanatics, you’d assume that’s a group of gay/bi men. A rich athlete going there to “meet” Taylor & give her a Swiftie bracelet sounds like a script written by gay men.

Sounds to me like a clever way to ask out a very smart woman who is known for appreciating creativity. And it was charming (or "adorable" as Taylor put it) how he told the story.

No. This is not how straight middle aged men behave.

A 34 yo is NOT middle-aged. And, yes, it is exactly how a smart, straight man who is trying to woo the most famous woman in the world - a woman known for being brilliant, creative, and a hopeless romantic - would behave.

You must be one of those 20-something incel guys - you could something from Travis Kelce.

Mid 30s is the middle of your life for someone like him! Beefy man, lots of trauma to the body in the last 20 years, brain injuries etc. How many tight ends do you expect live into their 80s?

Mike Ditka is the 1st acknowledged NFL tight end, and he's 84 and still giving interviews.
https://www.wearegreenbay.com/packers/unbearable-ditka-said-chicago-would-relish-ending-packers-playoff-hopes/

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible he’s gay or bi? He’s quite old to be childless and never married.

Are you the one constantly posting that the 30s are old, on this thread and others? The guy is 34. Do you live in South Dakota (not to insult people who do, but I imagine they marry earlier than those in more urban areas). Calling Taylor creepy at 34, etc. It’s just very stilted and weird.

Aren’t he and his brother from Ohio? Midwest men with money tend to be married with kids before 30. 34 year old childless bachelor going to Taylor Swift concerts is not normal masculine behavior.

LOL what?

You think it’s normal for single and childless middle aged men to go to Swift concerts and know all the words? Not unless they’re dads with daughters. In real life, if you heard of single and childless middle aged men going to Swift or Beyoncé concerts you’d obviously assume they were gay or bi.

He's going because that's his girlfriend idiot, not gay. He should know the words to some of her songs. And he is also an uncle to girls so has heard her songs before he started dating her. You are really bending yourself into knots here.

She was not his girlfriend when he went to that concert. She was not his girlfriend when he memorized all of her songs. A middle aged single and childless man listening to Swift and Beyonce is assumed to be gay or bi. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But everyone is focusing on HER alleged being closet gay or bi, maybe they BOTH are? Why is it okay to question her sexuality but not his?

Does he know his BFFFFF is on here talking trash about him? Did he memorize ALL the songs? ALL of them? Did he sing them to you? Who wouldn't go see Beyonce in concert if given the opportunity. It's Beyonce. You literally do not even know him. JFC. Back away from the martini. It's 11 am.

I’m happily married. My husband is not some ultra macho guy but he’s also not learning all the lyrics to Swift’s and Beyoncé’s catalog. And we have daughters. Because frankly that is largely something women and gay men do. You can PRETEND this is progressive and “everyone” loves Swift and Beyoncé, blah blah but it’s not true. Their fan bases are women and gay men. Single bachelors going to their concerts with other men acting like fanatics, you’d assume that’s a group of gay/bi men. A rich athlete going there to “meet” Taylor & give her a Swiftie bracelet sounds like a script written by gay men.

Bless your heart. Your husband needs to man up and do his manly duties if you are still on this board to continue to double down on this. SEEK HELP.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten so incredibly toxic. I wish Jeff would lock it.

NO. This thread is fun and I enjoy speculating about celebrity relationships. Just report the toxic MAGA crap -- I support you in that!

But I'm going to be so irritated if one of you gets this thread locked 2 weeks before Taylor goes to the Super Bowl to cheer on Travis. Where will we go to discuss what she wears? Whether she references Kelce at her Tokyo shows? Whether Travis puts a secret message to her in his IG posts leading up to the game? Where will we discuss and pull apart all the players and coaches having to answer press questions about "The Swift Effect." And oh yeah, I'm also hear for continued speculation about whether the entire relationship is fake, a PR ploy designed by reps for Swift, Kelce, NFL, and State Farm to drive revenue and interest in their respective products. I think that conversation is fun too!

Please do not take this away from me. It is the middle of winter, work is annoying, I am a tired middle-aged mom who needs some juicy celeb gossip to get me through. Report the dumb comments about how Taylor is old or ugly or whatever -- those are just the usual DCUM trolls being trolls. Some of us are really enjoying the celeb gossip aspect and I really don't want to take it away because it's so much easier to do this here than on other sites.

I wish all the people saying nasty things about her and dumping on the relationship would go to that toxic thread from a while ago about Taylor and leave this thread for those of us who want positive vibes and escapism via this relationship.

Wait! I’m not maga, I’m quite liberal, but I also think their relationship is being sold to us by the media for some weird reason. It seems so staged and over the top for being such a short relationship. And they’re doing it purposely if they were really dating for a month or two before becoming this massive brand that they are now. It’s fascinating to me! I want to be on this thread too, wouldn’t it be boring if the whole thread was just middle aged women cheering positive vibes for the happy couple?

Thank you!! I'm the PP who really does not want this thread to get shut down (or taken over by the weird MAGA people). I feel like there are people on the thread who are just mega-Swifties (which I have no problem with! I like her music and think it's cool how successful she is) and they want somewhere to just say "omg they are so cute." But, like, try Twitter? I want a place to actually *talk about* the phenomenon that is Taylor & Travis, which I agree is kind of weird due to the speed of their relationship and how it has played out publicly, and I definitely feel like there are weird "synergies" with both the NFL and Kelce's aspiring entertainment career that set off my "fake" radar.

I don't think any of those opinions are "toxic" or "bad vibes." It's just my honest opinion and I think this is interesting and want to discuss it with people who also find it interesting, even if we don't agree about it.

I think it is a real relationship and they are acting like anyone would in a normal relationship. But like Travis said, they do not want the attention and chaos to stop them from living their lives. I don’t think they are asking for it, but rather not hiding anything.

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^ and yes the NFL and others are benefitting financially. Oh well.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible he’s gay or bi? He’s quite old to be childless and never married.

Are you the one constantly posting that the 30s are old, on this thread and others? The guy is 34. Do you live in South Dakota (not to insult people who do, but I imagine they marry earlier than those in more urban areas). Calling Taylor creepy at 34, etc. It’s just very stilted and weird.

Aren’t he and his brother from Ohio? Midwest men with money tend to be married with kids before 30. 34 year old childless bachelor going to Taylor Swift concerts is not normal masculine behavior.

LOL what?

You think it’s normal for single and childless middle aged men to go to Swift concerts and know all the words? Not unless they’re dads with daughters. In real life, if you heard of single and childless middle aged men going to Swift or Beyoncé concerts you’d obviously assume they were gay or bi.

Wrong 1000% wrong.

And please go read your bible again your hate for others is shinning through. Seriously go back to your hole.

He's going because that's his girlfriend idiot, not gay. He should know the words to some of her songs. And he is also an uncle to girls so has heard her songs before he started dating her. You are really bending yourself into knots here.

She was not his girlfriend when he went to that concert. She was not his girlfriend when he memorized all of her songs. A middle aged single and childless man listening to Swift and Beyonce is assumed to be gay or bi. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But everyone is focusing on HER alleged being closet gay or bi, maybe they BOTH are? Why is it okay to question her sexuality but not his?

Does he know his BFFFFF is on here talking trash about him? Did he memorize ALL the songs? ALL of them? Did he sing them to you? Who wouldn't go see Beyonce in concert if given the opportunity. It's Beyonce. You literally do not even know him. JFC. Back away from the martini. It's 11 am.

I’m happily married. My husband is not some ultra macho guy but he’s also not learning all the lyrics to Swift’s and Beyoncé’s catalog. And we have daughters. Because frankly that is largely something women and gay men do. You can PRETEND this is progressive and “everyone” loves Swift and Beyoncé, blah blah but it’s not true. Their fan bases are women and gay men. Single bachelors going to their concerts with other men acting like fanatics, you’d assume that’s a group of gay/bi men. A rich athlete going there to “meet” Taylor & give her a Swiftie bracelet sounds like a script written by gay men.

Sounds to me like a clever way to ask out a very smart woman who is known for appreciating creativity. And it was charming (or "adorable" as Taylor put it) how he told the story.

Who did he go to Taylor's concert with when he tried to give a friendship bracelet?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten so incredibly toxic. I wish Jeff would lock it.

NO. This thread is fun and I enjoy speculating about celebrity relationships. Just report the toxic MAGA crap -- I support you in that!

But I'm going to be so irritated if one of you gets this thread locked 2 weeks before Taylor goes to the Super Bowl to cheer on Travis. Where will we go to discuss what she wears? Whether she references Kelce at her Tokyo shows? Whether Travis puts a secret message to her in his IG posts leading up to the game? Where will we discuss and pull apart all the players and coaches having to answer press questions about "The Swift Effect." And oh yeah, I'm also hear for continued speculation about whether the entire relationship is fake, a PR ploy designed by reps for Swift, Kelce, NFL, and State Farm to drive revenue and interest in their respective products. I think that conversation is fun too!

Please do not take this away from me. It is the middle of winter, work is annoying, I am a tired middle-aged mom who needs some juicy celeb gossip to get me through. Report the dumb comments about how Taylor is old or ugly or whatever -- those are just the usual DCUM trolls being trolls. Some of us are really enjoying the celeb gossip aspect and I really don't want to take it away because it's so much easier to do this here than on other sites.

I wish all the people saying nasty things about her and dumping on the relationship would go to that toxic thread from a while ago about Taylor and leave this thread for those of us who want positive vibes and escapism via this relationship.

Wait! I’m not maga, I’m quite liberal, but I also think their relationship is being sold to us by the media for some weird reason. It seems so staged and over the top for being such a short relationship. And they’re doing it purposely if they were really dating for a month or two before becoming this massive brand that they are now. It’s fascinating to me! I want to be on this thread too, wouldn’t it be boring if the whole thread was just middle aged women cheering positive vibes for the happy couple?

Thank you!! I'm the PP who really does not want this thread to get shut down (or taken over by the weird MAGA people). I feel like there are people on the thread who are just mega-Swifties (which I have no problem with! I like her music and think it's cool how successful she is) and they want somewhere to just say "omg they are so cute." But, like, try Twitter? I want a place to actually *talk about* the phenomenon that is Taylor & Travis, which I agree is kind of weird due to the speed of their relationship and how it has played out publicly, and I definitely feel like there are weird "synergies" with both the NFL and Kelce's aspiring entertainment career that set off my "fake" radar.

I don't think any of those opinions are "toxic" or "bad vibes." It's just my honest opinion and I think this is interesting and want to discuss it with people who also find it interesting, even if we don't agree about it.

I think it is a real relationship and they are acting like anyone would in a normal relationship. But like Travis said, they do not want the attention and chaos to stop them from living their lives. I don’t think they are asking for it, but rather not hiding anything.

But they're egging it on by having their teams go to different news/tabloids like ET. They obviously want the attention but I don't think that's a terrible thing since they're celebs

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten so incredibly toxic. I wish Jeff would lock it.

NO. This thread is fun and I enjoy speculating about celebrity relationships. Just report the toxic MAGA crap -- I support you in that!

But I'm going to be so irritated if one of you gets this thread locked 2 weeks before Taylor goes to the Super Bowl to cheer on Travis. Where will we go to discuss what she wears? Whether she references Kelce at her Tokyo shows? Whether Travis puts a secret message to her in his IG posts leading up to the game? Where will we discuss and pull apart all the players and coaches having to answer press questions about "The Swift Effect." And oh yeah, I'm also hear for continued speculation about whether the entire relationship is fake, a PR ploy designed by reps for Swift, Kelce, NFL, and State Farm to drive revenue and interest in their respective products. I think that conversation is fun too!

Please do not take this away from me. It is the middle of winter, work is annoying, I am a tired middle-aged mom who needs some juicy celeb gossip to get me through. Report the dumb comments about how Taylor is old or ugly or whatever -- those are just the usual DCUM trolls being trolls. Some of us are really enjoying the celeb gossip aspect and I really don't want to take it away because it's so much easier to do this here than on other sites.

I wish all the people saying nasty things about her and dumping on the relationship would go to that toxic thread from a while ago about Taylor and leave this thread for those of us who want positive vibes and escapism via this relationship.

Wait! I’m not maga, I’m quite liberal, but I also think their relationship is being sold to us by the media for some weird reason. It seems so staged and over the top for being such a short relationship. And they’re doing it purposely if they were really dating for a month or two before becoming this massive brand that they are now. It’s fascinating to me! I want to be on this thread too, wouldn’t it be boring if the whole thread was just middle aged women cheering positive vibes for the happy couple?

Thank you!! I'm the PP who really does not want this thread to get shut down (or taken over by the weird MAGA people). I feel like there are people on the thread who are just mega-Swifties (which I have no problem with! I like her music and think it's cool how successful she is) and they want somewhere to just say "omg they are so cute." But, like, try Twitter? I want a place to actually *talk about* the phenomenon that is Taylor & Travis, which I agree is kind of weird due to the speed of their relationship and how it has played out publicly, and I definitely feel like there are weird "synergies" with both the NFL and Kelce's aspiring entertainment career that set off my "fake" radar.

I don't think any of those opinions are "toxic" or "bad vibes." It's just my honest opinion and I think this is interesting and want to discuss it with people who also find it interesting, even if we don't agree about it.

I think it is a real relationship and they are acting like anyone would in a normal relationship. But like Travis said, they do not want the attention and chaos to stop them from living their lives. I don’t think they are asking for it, but rather not hiding anything.

Great! Thank you for sharing your opinion. I disagree. I think it's probably a real relationship but also that they were probably introduced/set up via public relations people, and I also think there are ongoing conversations about how to monetize the relationship and use it to benefit their careers, especially Kelce's. I think the claim that they "don't want the attention" is blatantly false, but that they say it because they don't like the *negative* attention, but want and expressly encourage the positive attention because it benefits them financially. I absolutely think they are "asking for" all the attention and commentary and that it's actually kind of baked into the relationship, but they want the upside (more fame, more money, more professional opportunities, plus just feeling loved by more people) and not the downside (criticism, judgment, people making fun of them, plus some of the genuinely scary stuff like stalkers/obsessives). I get why they want that? It does not change my opinion on the nature of their relationship.

I also tend to think it will crash and burn because I think it is premised to some degree on a certain level of attention and synergy with their careers, and that if/when it no longer serves those purposes, they will lose interest in each other. I sense, based on their dating histories, that they both like the exciting, early part of relationships but have a demonstrated distaste for the boring, middle part. I also just do not see two total workaholics at the top of their careers "settling down" to play house and have kids together (which I think is a-ok and if anyone can demonstrate how to live meaningful, wonderful lives without marriage/kids, it's these two), so I don't see them transitioning their relationship to the "happily ever after" that it's pretty clear a lot of fans are hoping for.

See, we can both share our opinions, without saying misogynist things about Taylor or calling Kelce stupid. That's the point of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten so incredibly toxic. I wish Jeff would lock it.

NO. This thread is fun and I enjoy speculating about celebrity relationships. Just report the toxic MAGA crap -- I support you in that!

But I'm going to be so irritated if one of you gets this thread locked 2 weeks before Taylor goes to the Super Bowl to cheer on Travis. Where will we go to discuss what she wears? Whether she references Kelce at her Tokyo shows? Whether Travis puts a secret message to her in his IG posts leading up to the game? Where will we discuss and pull apart all the players and coaches having to answer press questions about "The Swift Effect." And oh yeah, I'm also hear for continued speculation about whether the entire relationship is fake, a PR ploy designed by reps for Swift, Kelce, NFL, and State Farm to drive revenue and interest in their respective products. I think that conversation is fun too!

Please do not take this away from me. It is the middle of winter, work is annoying, I am a tired middle-aged mom who needs some juicy celeb gossip to get me through. Report the dumb comments about how Taylor is old or ugly or whatever -- those are just the usual DCUM trolls being trolls. Some of us are really enjoying the celeb gossip aspect and I really don't want to take it away because it's so much easier to do this here than on other sites.

I wish all the people saying nasty things about her and dumping on the relationship would go to that toxic thread from a while ago about Taylor and leave this thread for those of us who want positive vibes and escapism via this relationship.

Wait! I’m not maga, I’m quite liberal, but I also think their relationship is being sold to us by the media for some weird reason. It seems so staged and over the top for being such a short relationship. And they’re doing it purposely if they were really dating for a month or two before becoming this massive brand that they are now. It’s fascinating to me! I want to be on this thread too, wouldn’t it be boring if the whole thread was just middle aged women cheering positive vibes for the happy couple?

Thank you!! I'm the PP who really does not want this thread to get shut down (or taken over by the weird MAGA people). I feel like there are people on the thread who are just mega-Swifties (which I have no problem with! I like her music and think it's cool how successful she is) and they want somewhere to just say "omg they are so cute." But, like, try Twitter? I want a place to actually *talk about* the phenomenon that is Taylor & Travis, which I agree is kind of weird due to the speed of their relationship and how it has played out publicly, and I definitely feel like there are weird "synergies" with both the NFL and Kelce's aspiring entertainment career that set off my "fake" radar.

I don't think any of those opinions are "toxic" or "bad vibes." It's just my honest opinion and I think this is interesting and want to discuss it with people who also find it interesting, even if we don't agree about it.

I think it is a real relationship and they are acting like anyone would in a normal relationship. But like Travis said, they do not want the attention and chaos to stop them from living their lives. I don’t think they are asking for it, but rather not hiding anything.

But they're egging it on by having their teams go to different news/tabloids like ET. They obviously want the attention but I don't think that's a terrible thing since they're celebs

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You don’t think outlets are pursuing them? Of course they are. I do not know the ET thing you are talking about but it does not strike me as weird. She is likely tired of being coy like in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten so incredibly toxic. I wish Jeff would lock it.

NO. This thread is fun and I enjoy speculating about celebrity relationships. Just report the toxic MAGA crap -- I support you in that!

But I'm going to be so irritated if one of you gets this thread locked 2 weeks before Taylor goes to the Super Bowl to cheer on Travis. Where will we go to discuss what she wears? Whether she references Kelce at her Tokyo shows? Whether Travis puts a secret message to her in his IG posts leading up to the game? Where will we discuss and pull apart all the players and coaches having to answer press questions about "The Swift Effect." And oh yeah, I'm also hear for continued speculation about whether the entire relationship is fake, a PR ploy designed by reps for Swift, Kelce, NFL, and State Farm to drive revenue and interest in their respective products. I think that conversation is fun too!

Please do not take this away from me. It is the middle of winter, work is annoying, I am a tired middle-aged mom who needs some juicy celeb gossip to get me through. Report the dumb comments about how Taylor is old or ugly or whatever -- those are just the usual DCUM trolls being trolls. Some of us are really enjoying the celeb gossip aspect and I really don't want to take it away because it's so much easier to do this here than on other sites.

I wish all the people saying nasty things about her and dumping on the relationship would go to that toxic thread from a while ago about Taylor and leave this thread for those of us who want positive vibes and escapism via this relationship.

Wait! I’m not maga, I’m quite liberal, but I also think their relationship is being sold to us by the media for some weird reason. It seems so staged and over the top for being such a short relationship. And they’re doing it purposely if they were really dating for a month or two before becoming this massive brand that they are now. It’s fascinating to me! I want to be on this thread too, wouldn’t it be boring if the whole thread was just middle aged women cheering positive vibes for the happy couple?

Thank you!! I'm the PP who really does not want this thread to get shut down (or taken over by the weird MAGA people). I feel like there are people on the thread who are just mega-Swifties (which I have no problem with! I like her music and think it's cool how successful she is) and they want somewhere to just say "omg they are so cute." But, like, try Twitter? I want a place to actually *talk about* the phenomenon that is Taylor & Travis, which I agree is kind of weird due to the speed of their relationship and how it has played out publicly, and I definitely feel like there are weird "synergies" with both the NFL and Kelce's aspiring entertainment career that set off my "fake" radar.

I don't think any of those opinions are "toxic" or "bad vibes." It's just my honest opinion and I think this is interesting and want to discuss it with people who also find it interesting, even if we don't agree about it.

I think it is a real relationship and they are acting like anyone would in a normal relationship. But like Travis said, they do not want the attention and chaos to stop them from living their lives. I don’t think they are asking for it, but rather not hiding anything.

Great! Thank you for sharing your opinion. I disagree. I think it's probably a real relationship but also that they were probably introduced/set up via public relations people, and I also think there are ongoing conversations about how to monetize the relationship and use it to benefit their careers, especially Kelce's. I think the claim that they "don't want the attention" is blatantly false, but that they say it because they don't like the *negative* attention, but want and expressly encourage the positive attention because it benefits them financially. I absolutely think they are "asking for" all the attention and commentary and that it's actually kind of baked into the relationship, but they want the upside (more fame, more money, more professional opportunities, plus just feeling loved by more people) and not the downside (criticism, judgment, people making fun of them, plus some of the genuinely scary stuff like stalkers/obsessives). I get why they want that? It does not change my opinion on the nature of their relationship.

I also tend to think it will crash and burn because I think it is premised to some degree on a certain level of attention and synergy with their careers, and that if/when it no longer serves those purposes, they will lose interest in each other. I sense, based on their dating histories, that they both like the exciting, early part of relationships but have a demonstrated distaste for the boring, middle part. I also just do not see two total workaholics at the top of their careers "settling down" to play house and have kids together (which I think is a-ok and if anyone can demonstrate how to live meaningful, wonderful lives without marriage/kids, it's these two), so I don't see them transitioning their relationship to the "happily ever after" that it's pretty clear a lot of fans are hoping for.

See, we can both share our opinions, without saying misogynist things about Taylor or calling Kelce stupid. That's the point of this thread.

You misread me.

Also who wants false stuff out there?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten so incredibly toxic. I wish Jeff would lock it.

NO. This thread is fun and I enjoy speculating about celebrity relationships. Just report the toxic MAGA crap -- I support you in that!

But I'm going to be so irritated if one of you gets this thread locked 2 weeks before Taylor goes to the Super Bowl to cheer on Travis. Where will we go to discuss what she wears? Whether she references Kelce at her Tokyo shows? Whether Travis puts a secret message to her in his IG posts leading up to the game? Where will we discuss and pull apart all the players and coaches having to answer press questions about "The Swift Effect." And oh yeah, I'm also hear for continued speculation about whether the entire relationship is fake, a PR ploy designed by reps for Swift, Kelce, NFL, and State Farm to drive revenue and interest in their respective products. I think that conversation is fun too!

Please do not take this away from me. It is the middle of winter, work is annoying, I am a tired middle-aged mom who needs some juicy celeb gossip to get me through. Report the dumb comments about how Taylor is old or ugly or whatever -- those are just the usual DCUM trolls being trolls. Some of us are really enjoying the celeb gossip aspect and I really don't want to take it away because it's so much easier to do this here than on other sites.

I wish all the people saying nasty things about her and dumping on the relationship would go to that toxic thread from a while ago about Taylor and leave this thread for those of us who want positive vibes and escapism via this relationship.

Wait! I’m not maga, I’m quite liberal, but I also think their relationship is being sold to us by the media for some weird reason. It seems so staged and over the top for being such a short relationship. And they’re doing it purposely if they were really dating for a month or two before becoming this massive brand that they are now. It’s fascinating to me! I want to be on this thread too, wouldn’t it be boring if the whole thread was just middle aged women cheering positive vibes for the happy couple?

Thank you!! I'm the PP who really does not want this thread to get shut down (or taken over by the weird MAGA people). I feel like there are people on the thread who are just mega-Swifties (which I have no problem with! I like her music and think it's cool how successful she is) and they want somewhere to just say "omg they are so cute." But, like, try Twitter? I want a place to actually *talk about* the phenomenon that is Taylor & Travis, which I agree is kind of weird due to the speed of their relationship and how it has played out publicly, and I definitely feel like there are weird "synergies" with both the NFL and Kelce's aspiring entertainment career that set off my "fake" radar.

I don't think any of those opinions are "toxic" or "bad vibes." It's just my honest opinion and I think this is interesting and want to discuss it with people who also find it interesting, even if we don't agree about it.

I think it is a real relationship and they are acting like anyone would in a normal relationship. But like Travis said, they do not want the attention and chaos to stop them from living their lives. I don’t think they are asking for it, but rather not hiding anything.

But they're egging it on by having their teams go to different news/tabloids like ET. They obviously want the attention but I don't think that's a terrible thing since they're celebs

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You don’t think outlets are pursuing them? Of course they are. I do not know the ET thing you are talking about but it does not strike me as weird. She is likely tired of being coy like in the past.

Taylor's PR team actively plants stories in outlets like ET and has for years. Why do you think we know that Taylor lent Sophie Turner her NYC pad while she went through her divorce? How do you think paparazzi are often in the right place at the right time to catch Taylor having a meal with Selena Gomez or Brittney Mahomes?

Even when this info comes out because a pap or gossip rag got a tip elsewhere or staked out her apartment or something, Taylor's team is on the phone with them spinning it, selling them another story in exchange for positive coverage, or offering extra info in order to ensure the story puts Taylor in the best light.

This is literally what PR people are for.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it possible he’s gay or bi? He’s quite old to be childless and never married.

Are you the one constantly posting that the 30s are old, on this thread and others? The guy is 34. Do you live in South Dakota (not to insult people who do, but I imagine they marry earlier than those in more urban areas). Calling Taylor creepy at 34, etc. It’s just very stilted and weird.

Aren’t he and his brother from Ohio? Midwest men with money tend to be married with kids before 30. 34 year old childless bachelor going to Taylor Swift concerts is not normal masculine behavior.

LOL what?

You think it’s normal for single and childless middle aged men to go to Swift concerts and know all the words? Not unless they’re dads with daughters. In real life, if you heard of single and childless middle aged men going to Swift or Beyoncé concerts you’d obviously assume they were gay or bi.

Wrong 1000% wrong.

And please go read your bible again your hate for others is shinning through. Seriously go back to your hole.

He's going because that's his girlfriend idiot, not gay. He should know the words to some of her songs. And he is also an uncle to girls so has heard her songs before he started dating her. You are really bending yourself into knots here.

She was not his girlfriend when he went to that concert. She was not his girlfriend when he memorized all of her songs. A middle aged single and childless man listening to Swift and Beyonce is assumed to be gay or bi. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. But everyone is focusing on HER alleged being closet gay or bi, maybe they BOTH are? Why is it okay to question her sexuality but not his?

Does he know his BFFFFF is on here talking trash about him? Did he memorize ALL the songs? ALL of them? Did he sing them to you? Who wouldn't go see Beyonce in concert if given the opportunity. It's Beyonce. You literally do not even know him. JFC. Back away from the martini. It's 11 am.

I’m happily married. My husband is not some ultra macho guy but he’s also not learning all the lyrics to Swift’s and Beyoncé’s catalog. And we have daughters. Because frankly that is largely something women and gay men do. You can PRETEND this is progressive and “everyone” loves Swift and Beyoncé, blah blah but it’s not true. Their fan bases are women and gay men. Single bachelors going to their concerts with other men acting like fanatics, you’d assume that’s a group of gay/bi men. A rich athlete going there to “meet” Taylor & give her a Swiftie bracelet sounds like a script written by gay men.

No one's allowed to be gay?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has gotten so incredibly toxic. I wish Jeff would lock it.

NO. This thread is fun and I enjoy speculating about celebrity relationships. Just report the toxic MAGA crap -- I support you in that!

But I'm going to be so irritated if one of you gets this thread locked 2 weeks before Taylor goes to the Super Bowl to cheer on Travis. Where will we go to discuss what she wears? Whether she references Kelce at her Tokyo shows? Whether Travis puts a secret message to her in his IG posts leading up to the game? Where will we discuss and pull apart all the players and coaches having to answer press questions about "The Swift Effect." And oh yeah, I'm also hear for continued speculation about whether the entire relationship is fake, a PR ploy designed by reps for Swift, Kelce, NFL, and State Farm to drive revenue and interest in their respective products. I think that conversation is fun too!

Please do not take this away from me. It is the middle of winter, work is annoying, I am a tired middle-aged mom who needs some juicy celeb gossip to get me through. Report the dumb comments about how Taylor is old or ugly or whatever -- those are just the usual DCUM trolls being trolls. Some of us are really enjoying the celeb gossip aspect and I really don't want to take it away because it's so much easier to do this here than on other sites.

I wish all the people saying nasty things about her and dumping on the relationship would go to that toxic thread from a while ago about Taylor and leave this thread for those of us who want positive vibes and escapism via this relationship.

Wait! I’m not maga, I’m quite liberal, but I also think their relationship is being sold to us by the media for some weird reason. It seems so staged and over the top for being such a short relationship. And they’re doing it purposely if they were really dating for a month or two before becoming this massive brand that they are now. It’s fascinating to me! I want to be on this thread too, wouldn’t it be boring if the whole thread was just middle aged women cheering positive vibes for the happy couple?

Thank you!! I'm the PP who really does not want this thread to get shut down (or taken over by the weird MAGA people). I feel like there are people on the thread who are just mega-Swifties (which I have no problem with! I like her music and think it's cool how successful she is) and they want somewhere to just say "omg they are so cute." But, like, try Twitter? I want a place to actually *talk about* the phenomenon that is Taylor & Travis, which I agree is kind of weird due to the speed of their relationship and how it has played out publicly, and I definitely feel like there are weird "synergies" with both the NFL and Kelce's aspiring entertainment career that set off my "fake" radar.

I don't think any of those opinions are "toxic" or "bad vibes." It's just my honest opinion and I think this is interesting and want to discuss it with people who also find it interesting, even if we don't agree about it.

I think it is a real relationship and they are acting like anyone would in a normal relationship. But like Travis said, they do not want the attention and chaos to stop them from living their lives. I don’t think they are asking for it, but rather not hiding anything.

But they're egging it on by having their teams go to different news/tabloids like ET. They obviously want the attention but I don't think that's a terrible thing since they're celebs

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You don’t think outlets are pursuing them? Of course they are. I do not know the ET thing you are talking about but it does not strike me as weird. She is likely tired of being coy like in the past.

Taylor's PR team actively plants stories in outlets like ET and has for years. Why do you think we know that Taylor lent Sophie Turner her NYC pad while she went through her divorce? How do you think paparazzi are often in the right place at the right time to catch Taylor having a meal with Selena Gomez or Brittney Mahomes?

Even when this info comes out because a pap or gossip rag got a tip elsewhere or staked out her apartment or something, Taylor's team is on the phone with them spinning it, selling them another story in exchange for positive coverage, or offering extra info in order to ensure the story puts Taylor in the best light.

This is literally what PR people are for.

Not sure what gave you the impression I didn’t think otherwise