Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:The sister’s video makes a big deal about there being other bikes, but perhaps this was the only electric bike there, which is why she told them she was pregnant before the video starts.

But yeah, why would he ride a bike he intended to keep using up to the docks and actually dock it?

Because with a Citibike membership, you get the first 45 minutes for free. Look at his sister's receipt she posted - he had the e-bike for 47 minutes, with a charge of $0.37 for the two minutes over the 45 minutes. I've seen this a lot in NYC with kids, they will use the bike for 45 minutes, let it sit in the rack for a bit, and then take it out again for another 45 minute ride.

Lyft/Citibike just launced the new e-bikes in late April, so they are rare and very desirable to get: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1

These teens likely got some e-bikes and were planning on riding them around the city for the evening. As I understood it, they may have had some special promotional codes to use the e-bikes for free. Here's the Citibike charge rates for annual members:

The first 45 minutes of each ride on a classic Citi Bike are included in the annual membership price.

When you upgrade your ride to an ebike, it will be an extra $0.17/min, capped at $3 for rides 45 minutes or less that enter or exit Manhattan.

If you keep a bike out for longer than 45 minutes at a time, regardless of the type, it's $0.17 per minute.

If you incur any extra time or ebike upgrade fees, your card on file will be charged. The fee for a lost or stolen bike is $1200 (+ tax).

If you take an e-bike in/out of Manhattan, you can use it for 45 minutes for only $3. My guess is that they were probably going to take the bikes further down into lower Manhattan after "resetting" the bikes at this docking station to get another fresh 45 minutes of use. Then maybe cross the bridge into Brooklyn for a $3 ride.

With a group of kids, they could probably all dock at the same time and then switch bikes with each other, so it's a new 45 minute ride. They may have been taking a rest at these docks before starting their new ride.

And yeah, a lot of NY'ers will support his actions because there's an unwritten code about not snaking a Citibike for someone waiting for reset of the 45 minutes. Similarly, you don't snake any empty spot on a full Citibike dock if other people are already waiting to return the bike in their possession. The PA likely violated the social code of the Citibikes, but then he escalated by forcing her back onto the dock.

So he was basically scamming then... yeah. Whether or not that's normalized in NYC it's not looking good for this group of losers. The more information that comes out the more it's obvious they were in the wrong

Living in NYC is all about playing the system to your advantage. There's a reason why the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" was coined by a modern philosopher from Jersey.

She violated the rules of the street. He violated the rules of polite society. There's no Good Guy here.

I actually do think there's a "Good Guy" here because I subscribe to the rules of polite society and don't care about the rules of the street when the come into conflict.

Like the rules of the street might dictate that you can kill someone if they steal from you, but if I'm on a jury for that case, I don't really care -- murder is morally wrong and also illegal and you don't get to make up different rules because you want to.

There's a lot of people from NYC who would disagree with you and would argue that she "started it." I know, it's all very juvenile.

I'd want to know more about how close he was to the bike. If it was obvious to her that the kids were taking a break and waiting for the bikes, she's pretty snake-like to try to take it. You don't do that in NYC, there's unwritten codes of conduct that apply in NYC (and don't make sense elsewhere). Scarcity mindset is for real in NYC.

Well then we should acknowledge that NYC is full of knuckle dragging mouth breathers.

Society’s foundation is a system of laws that we all agree to. The “rules of the street” don’t matter in NYC or anywhere else. That’s a thug mentality.

It's resource hogging. It's like the free COVID tests that you couldn't get because a few people quickly stockpiled whatever was available.

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Anonymous wrote:The sister’s video makes a big deal about there being other bikes, but perhaps this was the only electric bike there, which is why she told them she was pregnant before the video starts.

But yeah, why would he ride a bike he intended to keep using up to the docks and actually dock it?

Because with a Citibike membership, you get the first 45 minutes for free. Look at his sister's receipt she posted - he had the e-bike for 47 minutes, with a charge of $0.37 for the two minutes over the 45 minutes. I've seen this a lot in NYC with kids, they will use the bike for 45 minutes, let it sit in the rack for a bit, and then take it out again for another 45 minute ride.

Lyft/Citibike just launced the new e-bikes in late April, so they are rare and very desirable to get: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1

These teens likely got some e-bikes and were planning on riding them around the city for the evening. As I understood it, they may have had some special promotional codes to use the e-bikes for free. Here's the Citibike charge rates for annual members:

The first 45 minutes of each ride on a classic Citi Bike are included in the annual membership price.

When you upgrade your ride to an ebike, it will be an extra $0.17/min, capped at $3 for rides 45 minutes or less that enter or exit Manhattan.

If you keep a bike out for longer than 45 minutes at a time, regardless of the type, it's $0.17 per minute.

If you incur any extra time or ebike upgrade fees, your card on file will be charged. The fee for a lost or stolen bike is $1200 (+ tax).

If you take an e-bike in/out of Manhattan, you can use it for 45 minutes for only $3. My guess is that they were probably going to take the bikes further down into lower Manhattan after "resetting" the bikes at this docking station to get another fresh 45 minutes of use. Then maybe cross the bridge into Brooklyn for a $3 ride.

With a group of kids, they could probably all dock at the same time and then switch bikes with each other, so it's a new 45 minute ride. They may have been taking a rest at these docks before starting their new ride.

And yeah, a lot of NY'ers will support his actions because there's an unwritten code about not snaking a Citibike for someone waiting for reset of the 45 minutes. Similarly, you don't snake any empty spot on a full Citibike dock if other people are already waiting to return the bike in their possession. The PA likely violated the social code of the Citibikes, but then he escalated by forcing her back onto the dock.

So he was basically scamming then... yeah. Whether or not that's normalized in NYC it's not looking good for this group of losers. The more information that comes out the more it's obvious they were in the wrong

Living in NYC is all about playing the system to your advantage. There's a reason why the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" was coined by a modern philosopher from Jersey.

She violated the rules of the street. He violated the rules of polite society. There's no Good Guy here.

I actually do think there's a "Good Guy" here because I subscribe to the rules of polite society and don't care about the rules of the street when the come into conflict.

Like the rules of the street might dictate that you can kill someone if they steal from you, but if I'm on a jury for that case, I don't really care -- murder is morally wrong and also illegal and you don't get to make up different rules because you want to.

There's a lot of people from NYC who would disagree with you and would argue that she "started it." I know, it's all very juvenile.

I'd want to know more about how close he was to the bike. If it was obvious to her that the kids were taking a break and waiting for the bikes, she's pretty snake-like to try to take it. You don't do that in NYC, there's unwritten codes of conduct that apply in NYC (and don't make sense elsewhere). Scarcity mindset is for real in NYC.

Stop trying to say it's a NY thing and accept it's simply a racial and possibly gendered thing. If it was a large group of white women who had rented/used bikes, returned them and were no longer using them, and were standing around, bullying and blocking anyone from accessing them, you're telling me New Yorkers would back them up?! Please. They would be called "entitled" until the cows came home. This is about a kid who was being a jerk and a woman who got attacked and dragged through the mud without a second thought

Yeah. And I call bullsh*t on the notion that the NYC street rule is that you can claim an ebike that is still docked.

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Anonymous wrote:The sister’s video makes a big deal about there being other bikes, but perhaps this was the only electric bike there, which is why she told them she was pregnant before the video starts.

But yeah, why would he ride a bike he intended to keep using up to the docks and actually dock it?

Because with a Citibike membership, you get the first 45 minutes for free. Look at his sister's receipt she posted - he had the e-bike for 47 minutes, with a charge of $0.37 for the two minutes over the 45 minutes. I've seen this a lot in NYC with kids, they will use the bike for 45 minutes, let it sit in the rack for a bit, and then take it out again for another 45 minute ride.

Lyft/Citibike just launced the new e-bikes in late April, so they are rare and very desirable to get: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1

These teens likely got some e-bikes and were planning on riding them around the city for the evening. As I understood it, they may have had some special promotional codes to use the e-bikes for free. Here's the Citibike charge rates for annual members:

The first 45 minutes of each ride on a classic Citi Bike are included in the annual membership price.

When you upgrade your ride to an ebike, it will be an extra $0.17/min, capped at $3 for rides 45 minutes or less that enter or exit Manhattan.

If you keep a bike out for longer than 45 minutes at a time, regardless of the type, it's $0.17 per minute.

If you incur any extra time or ebike upgrade fees, your card on file will be charged. The fee for a lost or stolen bike is $1200 (+ tax).

If you take an e-bike in/out of Manhattan, you can use it for 45 minutes for only $3. My guess is that they were probably going to take the bikes further down into lower Manhattan after "resetting" the bikes at this docking station to get another fresh 45 minutes of use. Then maybe cross the bridge into Brooklyn for a $3 ride.

With a group of kids, they could probably all dock at the same time and then switch bikes with each other, so it's a new 45 minute ride. They may have been taking a rest at these docks before starting their new ride.

And yeah, a lot of NY'ers will support his actions because there's an unwritten code about not snaking a Citibike for someone waiting for reset of the 45 minutes. Similarly, you don't snake any empty spot on a full Citibike dock if other people are already waiting to return the bike in their possession. The PA likely violated the social code of the Citibikes, but then he escalated by forcing her back onto the dock.

So he was basically scamming then... yeah. Whether or not that's normalized in NYC it's not looking good for this group of losers. The more information that comes out the more it's obvious they were in the wrong

Living in NYC is all about playing the system to your advantage. There's a reason why the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" was coined by a modern philosopher from Jersey.

She violated the rules of the street. He violated the rules of polite society. There's no Good Guy here.

I actually do think there's a "Good Guy" here because I subscribe to the rules of polite society and don't care about the rules of the street when the come into conflict.

Like the rules of the street might dictate that you can kill someone if they steal from you, but if I'm on a jury for that case, I don't really care -- murder is morally wrong and also illegal and you don't get to make up different rules because you want to.

There's a lot of people from NYC who would disagree with you and would argue that she "started it." I know, it's all very juvenile.

I'd want to know more about how close he was to the bike. If it was obvious to her that the kids were taking a break and waiting for the bikes, she's pretty snake-like to try to take it. You don't do that in NYC, there's unwritten codes of conduct that apply in NYC (and don't make sense elsewhere). Scarcity mindset is for real in NYC.

Stop trying to say it's a NY thing and accept it's simply a racial and possibly gendered thing. If it was a large group of white women who had rented/used bikes, returned them and were no longer using them, and were standing around, bullying and blocking anyone from accessing them, you're telling me New Yorkers would back them up?! Please. They would be called "entitled" until the cows came home. This is about a kid who was being a jerk and a woman who got attacked and dragged through the mud without a second thought

Sadly, this.

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Here’s what I don’t get and maybe somebody can explain. If the four guys had simply played musical bikes, switching rides, then they could have gotten back on their way in a minute, right? So why was this bike docked for as long as it was? The long docking sort of backs up her story that they weren’t nearby.

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Anonymous wrote:The sister’s video makes a big deal about there being other bikes, but perhaps this was the only electric bike there, which is why she told them she was pregnant before the video starts.

But yeah, why would he ride a bike he intended to keep using up to the docks and actually dock it?

Because with a Citibike membership, you get the first 45 minutes for free. Look at his sister's receipt she posted - he had the e-bike for 47 minutes, with a charge of $0.37 for the two minutes over the 45 minutes. I've seen this a lot in NYC with kids, they will use the bike for 45 minutes, let it sit in the rack for a bit, and then take it out again for another 45 minute ride.

Lyft/Citibike just launced the new e-bikes in late April, so they are rare and very desirable to get: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1

These teens likely got some e-bikes and were planning on riding them around the city for the evening. As I understood it, they may have had some special promotional codes to use the e-bikes for free. Here's the Citibike charge rates for annual members:

The first 45 minutes of each ride on a classic Citi Bike are included in the annual membership price.

When you upgrade your ride to an ebike, it will be an extra $0.17/min, capped at $3 for rides 45 minutes or less that enter or exit Manhattan.

If you keep a bike out for longer than 45 minutes at a time, regardless of the type, it's $0.17 per minute.

If you incur any extra time or ebike upgrade fees, your card on file will be charged. The fee for a lost or stolen bike is $1200 (+ tax).

If you take an e-bike in/out of Manhattan, you can use it for 45 minutes for only $3. My guess is that they were probably going to take the bikes further down into lower Manhattan after "resetting" the bikes at this docking station to get another fresh 45 minutes of use. Then maybe cross the bridge into Brooklyn for a $3 ride.

With a group of kids, they could probably all dock at the same time and then switch bikes with each other, so it's a new 45 minute ride. They may have been taking a rest at these docks before starting their new ride.

And yeah, a lot of NY'ers will support his actions because there's an unwritten code about not snaking a Citibike for someone waiting for reset of the 45 minutes. Similarly, you don't snake any empty spot on a full Citibike dock if other people are already waiting to return the bike in their possession. The PA likely violated the social code of the Citibikes, but then he escalated by forcing her back onto the dock.

So he was basically scamming then... yeah. Whether or not that's normalized in NYC it's not looking good for this group of losers. The more information that comes out the more it's obvious they were in the wrong

Living in NYC is all about playing the system to your advantage. There's a reason why the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" was coined by a modern philosopher from Jersey.

She violated the rules of the street. He violated the rules of polite society. There's no Good Guy here.

I actually do think there's a "Good Guy" here because I subscribe to the rules of polite society and don't care about the rules of the street when the come into conflict.

Like the rules of the street might dictate that you can kill someone if they steal from you, but if I'm on a jury for that case, I don't really care -- murder is morally wrong and also illegal and you don't get to make up different rules because you want to.

There's a lot of people from NYC who would disagree with you and would argue that she "started it." I know, it's all very juvenile.

I'd want to know more about how close he was to the bike. If it was obvious to her that the kids were taking a break and waiting for the bikes, she's pretty snake-like to try to take it. You don't do that in NYC, there's unwritten codes of conduct that apply in NYC (and don't make sense elsewhere). Scarcity mindset is for real in NYC.

Stop trying to say it's a NY thing and accept it's simply a racial and possibly gendered thing. If it was a large group of white women who had rented/used bikes, returned them and were no longer using them, and were standing around, bullying and blocking anyone from accessing them, you're telling me New Yorkers would back them up?! Please. They would be called "entitled" until the cows came home. This is about a kid who was being a jerk and a woman who got attacked and dragged through the mud without a second thought

Sadly, this.

Can you just imagine the visuals of a large group of white women pushing around a smaller black man, taunting him, saying "oh look, don't cry now!" I mean it would literally be an absolute meltdown on twitter. But in this case, not only did this woman NOT get sympathy, she actually got vilified and her life destroyed! I mean, at a certain point we have to reframe "white privilege" if this is the scenario...

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what I don’t get and maybe somebody can explain. If the four guys had simply played musical bikes, switching rides, then they could have gotten back on their way in a minute, right? So why was this bike docked for as long as it was? The long docking sort of backs up her story that they weren’t nearby.

It's not clear all the guys were docking bikes. Maybe the other guys had just rented theirs while this guy had been on his for 45 minutes, so they stopped for him to re-dock but the others just kept the bikes they were already on.

A PP earlier in the thread said this is a common activity for young people in the city -- they go around until everyone has an e-bike and then they can go for a long ride around the city. So they might have already been to several stations locating e-bikes, all with different timelines.

But none of this justifies harassing a woman for trying to rent a docked e-bike after work, so to me it's moot.

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It’s crazy to me how the sister is out there essentially fully conforming the account of the PA.

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^^^ confirming not conforming

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Now it’s starting to add up. With the info that a PP provided, it seems like the people filming were gaming the bike rental system by docking their bike after 45 minutes so they didn’t have to pay a fee, then waiting however long (5 minutes? 10 minutes?) for the free rental period to reset. In that time the PA came up and tried to rent the bike which she thought was not in use per the availability on the bike rental app. And it, indeed, was not in use as it was docked and available to take out. Before the video started, the other group of individuals were likely on a bench somewhere near by and she didn’t see them, then when she tried to take out the bike during the free rental cooldown window is when they approached. And she probably hesitated instead of just riding off, and that’s when the whole thing started.

The group is still in the wrong, of course. You can try to hack the system, but it doesn’t always work.

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Anonymous wrote:The sister’s video makes a big deal about there being other bikes, but perhaps this was the only electric bike there, which is why she told them she was pregnant before the video starts.

But yeah, why would he ride a bike he intended to keep using up to the docks and actually dock it?

Because with a Citibike membership, you get the first 45 minutes for free. Look at his sister's receipt she posted - he had the e-bike for 47 minutes, with a charge of $0.37 for the two minutes over the 45 minutes. I've seen this a lot in NYC with kids, they will use the bike for 45 minutes, let it sit in the rack for a bit, and then take it out again for another 45 minute ride.

Lyft/Citibike just launced the new e-bikes in late April, so they are rare and very desirable to get: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1

These teens likely got some e-bikes and were planning on riding them around the city for the evening. As I understood it, they may have had some special promotional codes to use the e-bikes for free. Here's the Citibike charge rates for annual members:

The first 45 minutes of each ride on a classic Citi Bike are included in the annual membership price.

When you upgrade your ride to an ebike, it will be an extra $0.17/min, capped at $3 for rides 45 minutes or less that enter or exit Manhattan.

If you keep a bike out for longer than 45 minutes at a time, regardless of the type, it's $0.17 per minute.

If you incur any extra time or ebike upgrade fees, your card on file will be charged. The fee for a lost or stolen bike is $1200 (+ tax).

If you take an e-bike in/out of Manhattan, you can use it for 45 minutes for only $3. My guess is that they were probably going to take the bikes further down into lower Manhattan after "resetting" the bikes at this docking station to get another fresh 45 minutes of use. Then maybe cross the bridge into Brooklyn for a $3 ride.

With a group of kids, they could probably all dock at the same time and then switch bikes with each other, so it's a new 45 minute ride. They may have been taking a rest at these docks before starting their new ride.

And yeah, a lot of NY'ers will support his actions because there's an unwritten code about not snaking a Citibike for someone waiting for reset of the 45 minutes. Similarly, you don't snake any empty spot on a full Citibike dock if other people are already waiting to return the bike in their possession. The PA likely violated the social code of the Citibikes, but then he escalated by forcing her back onto the dock.

So he was basically scamming then... yeah. Whether or not that's normalized in NYC it's not looking good for this group of losers. The more information that comes out the more it's obvious they were in the wrong

Living in NYC is all about playing the system to your advantage. There's a reason why the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" was coined by a modern philosopher from Jersey.

She violated the rules of the street. He violated the rules of polite society. There's no Good Guy here.

I actually do think there's a "Good Guy" here because I subscribe to the rules of polite society and don't care about the rules of the street when the come into conflict.

Like the rules of the street might dictate that you can kill someone if they steal from you, but if I'm on a jury for that case, I don't really care -- murder is morally wrong and also illegal and you don't get to make up different rules because you want to.

There's a lot of people from NYC who would disagree with you and would argue that she "started it." I know, it's all very juvenile.

I'd want to know more about how close he was to the bike. If it was obvious to her that the kids were taking a break and waiting for the bikes, she's pretty snake-like to try to take it. You don't do that in NYC, there's unwritten codes of conduct that apply in NYC (and don't make sense elsewhere). Scarcity mindset is for real in NYC.

Stop trying to say it's a NY thing and accept it's simply a racial and possibly gendered thing. If it was a large group of white women who had rented/used bikes, returned them and were no longer using them, and were standing around, bullying and blocking anyone from accessing them, you're telling me New Yorkers would back them up?! Please. They would be called "entitled" until the cows came home. This is about a kid who was being a jerk and a woman who got attacked and dragged through the mud without a second thought

Sadly, this.

Can you just imagine the visuals of a large group of white women pushing around a smaller black man, taunting him, saying "oh look, don't cry now!" I mean it would literally be an absolute meltdown on twitter. But in this case, not only did this woman NOT get sympathy, she actually got vilified and her life destroyed! I mean, at a certain point we have to reframe "white privilege" if this is the scenario...

Exactly! Ticks me off. I was assaulted by 2 AA men when I was a 16 year old virgin. Never got one dime nor any tears from the city.

Ben Crump, " civil rights" lawyer took this story about the bikes off his website.

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Anonymous wrote:The sister’s video makes a big deal about there being other bikes, but perhaps this was the only electric bike there, which is why she told them she was pregnant before the video starts.

But yeah, why would he ride a bike he intended to keep using up to the docks and actually dock it?

Because with a Citibike membership, you get the first 45 minutes for free. Look at his sister's receipt she posted - he had the e-bike for 47 minutes, with a charge of $0.37 for the two minutes over the 45 minutes. I've seen this a lot in NYC with kids, they will use the bike for 45 minutes, let it sit in the rack for a bit, and then take it out again for another 45 minute ride.

Lyft/Citibike just launced the new e-bikes in late April, so they are rare and very desirable to get: https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/lyft-has-unveiled-new-electric-citi-bikes-in-nyc-042922-1

These teens likely got some e-bikes and were planning on riding them around the city for the evening. As I understood it, they may have had some special promotional codes to use the e-bikes for free. Here's the Citibike charge rates for annual members:

The first 45 minutes of each ride on a classic Citi Bike are included in the annual membership price.

When you upgrade your ride to an ebike, it will be an extra $0.17/min, capped at $3 for rides 45 minutes or less that enter or exit Manhattan.

If you keep a bike out for longer than 45 minutes at a time, regardless of the type, it's $0.17 per minute.

If you incur any extra time or ebike upgrade fees, your card on file will be charged. The fee for a lost or stolen bike is $1200 (+ tax).

If you take an e-bike in/out of Manhattan, you can use it for 45 minutes for only $3. My guess is that they were probably going to take the bikes further down into lower Manhattan after "resetting" the bikes at this docking station to get another fresh 45 minutes of use. Then maybe cross the bridge into Brooklyn for a $3 ride.

With a group of kids, they could probably all dock at the same time and then switch bikes with each other, so it's a new 45 minute ride. They may have been taking a rest at these docks before starting their new ride.

And yeah, a lot of NY'ers will support his actions because there's an unwritten code about not snaking a Citibike for someone waiting for reset of the 45 minutes. Similarly, you don't snake any empty spot on a full Citibike dock if other people are already waiting to return the bike in their possession. The PA likely violated the social code of the Citibikes, but then he escalated by forcing her back onto the dock.

So he was basically scamming then... yeah. Whether or not that's normalized in NYC it's not looking good for this group of losers. The more information that comes out the more it's obvious they were in the wrong

Living in NYC is all about playing the system to your advantage. There's a reason why the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" was coined by a modern philosopher from Jersey.

She violated the rules of the street. He violated the rules of polite society. There's no Good Guy here.

I actually do think there's a "Good Guy" here because I subscribe to the rules of polite society and don't care about the rules of the street when the come into conflict.

Like the rules of the street might dictate that you can kill someone if they steal from you, but if I'm on a jury for that case, I don't really care -- murder is morally wrong and also illegal and you don't get to make up different rules because you want to.

There's a lot of people from NYC who would disagree with you and would argue that she "started it." I know, it's all very juvenile.

I'd want to know more about how close he was to the bike. If it was obvious to her that the kids were taking a break and waiting for the bikes, she's pretty snake-like to try to take it. You don't do that in NYC, there's unwritten codes of conduct that apply in NYC (and don't make sense elsewhere). Scarcity mindset is for real in NYC.

Stop trying to say it's a NY thing and accept it's simply a racial and possibly gendered thing. If it was a large group of white women who had rented/used bikes, returned them and were no longer using them, and were standing around, bullying and blocking anyone from accessing them, you're telling me New Yorkers would back them up?! Please. They would be called "entitled" until the cows came home. This is about a kid who was being a jerk and a woman who got attacked and dragged through the mud without a second thought

Sadly, this.

Can you just imagine the visuals of a large group of white women pushing around a smaller black man, taunting him, saying "oh look, don't cry now!" I mean it would literally be an absolute meltdown on twitter. But in this case, not only did this woman NOT get sympathy, she actually got vilified and her life destroyed! I mean, at a certain point we have to reframe "white privilege" if this is the scenario...

Exactly! Ticks me off. I was assaulted by 2 AA men when I was a 16 year old virgin. Never got one dime nor any tears from the city.

Ben Crump, " civil rights" lawyer took this story about the bikes off his website.

I'm so, so sorry that happened to you. I'm wishing you healing and happiness. That is truly horrifying.

Yeah, this vilification of white women, removal of empathy for what white women go through, is sick and disgusting and needs to stop.

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Anonymous wrote:Tbh this is a mess. No judge would find more/less fault on either of these people.

-She tried to take a bike someone else was holding onto, after she asked to use it and he told her no, he was about to use it.

-he was guarding a bike he wasn’t ready to use yet.

They were both wrong. I don’t know why anyone is taking either side here, since they were both wrong, except pure tribalism. I think if races/genders were flipped all of you would be flipping sides too.

If races/genders were switched, there would be no online mob against the person who yelled for help. If anything the online mob would come for the white woman in the scenario anyway!

Exactly.

Well…right. That’s why it’s called “weaponizing white tears”, because black men often get shot by cops with little justification, and at first people thought she was pretending to be in danger from these guys when she was the aggressor.

She didn’t call the cops, though. She eventually got off and rented a different bike. The video proves that. So all these “weaponizing her tears to get him killed” scenarios don’t make a lot of sense.

PP here. Right. But I’m explaining why this situation doesn’t really hit the same if “races/genders are reversed”. Like…there’s not going to be a black guy “weaponizing tears” because a group of white female teenagers re-docked his bike.

What you’re explaining is that you don’t think white women should ever be able to express genuine emotion in public. We get it.

I said, and believe, nothing of the sort. Work on your critical thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

Citibike subreddit does not substantiate any of the crackpot theories about remotely getting receipts etc:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/13qrz3e/the_sister_of_one_of_the_men_in_the_citibike/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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Anonymous wrote:Tbh this is a mess. No judge would find more/less fault on either of these people.

-She tried to take a bike someone else was holding onto, after she asked to use it and he told her no, he was about to use it.

-he was guarding a bike he wasn’t ready to use yet.

They were both wrong. I don’t know why anyone is taking either side here, since they were both wrong, except pure tribalism. I think if races/genders were flipped all of you would be flipping sides too.

If races/genders were switched, there would be no online mob against the person who yelled for help. If anything the online mob would come for the white woman in the scenario anyway!

Exactly.

Well…right. That’s why it’s called “weaponizing white tears”, because black men often get shot by cops with little justification, and at first people thought she was pretending to be in danger from these guys when she was the aggressor.

She didn’t call the cops, though. She eventually got off and rented a different bike. The video proves that. So all these “weaponizing her tears to get him killed” scenarios don’t make a lot of sense.

PP here. Right. But I’m explaining why this situation doesn’t really hit the same if “races/genders are reversed”. Like…there’s not going to be a black guy “weaponizing tears” because a group of white female teenagers re-docked his bike.

What you’re explaining is that you don’t think white women should ever be able to express genuine emotion in public. We get it.

I said, and believe, nothing of the sort. Work on your critical thinking skills.

You implied this for sure. We’re just saying what you meant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Citibike subreddit does not substantiate any of the crackpot theories about remotely getting receipts etc:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Citibike/comments/13qrz3e/the_sister_of_one_of_the_men_in_the_citibike/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

I'm not sure what to think of the subreddit since everyone (basically nobody) following this story is a crackpot.