ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While younger (below U16), and facing the choice of the A team in a grade below and B team in their own grade’s, it could be beneficial development wise for Aug kids to choose the A team below simply because we A team has much better ‘resources’ than B team. After puberty and years of development on A team, It’s not that hard for the well developed Aug kids to go back to their own grade’s A team. Of course, Coach and clubs will make their judgement. But this gives the kids the best opportunities to fight RAE.

I love how you bend RAE into whatever you want it to be.

Here's the facts a player is not good enough to make the A team in their grade. You seem to think that the A team a grade down is equivalent to the B team with players their grade. RAE is the same for both the A and B team of players your grade. Playing down a grade just makes your kid the oldest. (ie playing down for wins)

You also seem to think that after playing down with the lower level A team that players can just jump back on the A team with players their grade. But this was proven to not be true or your kid would be playing on the A team with players their grade now.

So much entitlement.

It doesn't matter though because its not your decision to make. You can choose to not play on the B team with players your kids age or you can play at a different club. Coaches aren't going to let parents dictate teams especially if the kid can't even make the A team in their grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While younger (below U16), and facing the choice of the A team in a grade below and B team in their own grade’s, it could be beneficial development wise for Aug kids to choose the A team below simply because we A team has much better ‘resources’ than B team. After puberty and years of development on A team, It’s not that hard for the well developed Aug kids to go back to their own grade’s A team. Of course, Coach and clubs will make their judgement. But this gives the kids the best opportunities to fight RAE.

I love how you bend RAE into whatever you want it to be.

Here's the facts a player is not good enough to make the A team in their grade. You seem to think that the A team a grade down is equivalent to the B team with players their grade. RAE is the same for both the A and B team of players your grade. Playing down a grade just makes your kid the oldest. (ie playing down for wins)

You also seem to think that after playing down with the lower level A team that players can just jump back on the A team with players their grade. But this was proven to not be true or your kid would be playing on the A team with players their grade now.

So much entitlement.

It doesn't matter though because its not your decision to make. You can choose to not play on the B team with players your kids age or you can play at a different club. Coaches aren't going to let parents dictate teams especially if the kid can't even make the A team in their grade.

So much entitlement yourself. Every team/club/kid is so different and you just generalize parent making certain decisions just for win. No, I care little about winning and I prefer close games/competition rather than winning. I believe most educated parents care development much more than winning. I am just saying it some cases It is good development wise for some Aug kids to make certain choices. But it is none of your business and You seem to be very insecure about Aug kids taking your kids’ spot. My suggestion to you is to stop worrying about others’ decisions within the rule and stop attacking Aug kids and parents. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You also seem to think that after playing down with the lower level A team that players can just jump back on the A team with players their grade. But this was proven to not be true or your kid would be playing on the A team with players their grade now.

So much entitlement.

It doesn't matter though because its not your decision to make. You can choose to not play on the B team with players your kids age or you can play at a different club. Coaches aren't going to let parents dictate teams especially if the kid can't even make the A team in their grade.

Again with this grade nonsense. An August kid plays with Aug 1st - July 31st cohort, not some nebulous concept of "grade". While some rare kids are so amazing they can play up a year, 99.9% cannot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You also seem to think that after playing down with the lower level A team that players can just jump back on the A team with players their grade. But this was proven to not be true or your kid would be playing on the A team with players their grade now.

So much entitlement.

It doesn't matter though because its not your decision to make. You can choose to not play on the B team with players your kids age or you can play at a different club. Coaches aren't going to let parents dictate teams especially if the kid can't even make the A team in their grade.

Again with this grade nonsense. An August kid plays with Aug 1st - July 31st cohort, not some nebulous concept of "grade". While some rare kids are so amazing they can play up a year, 99.9% cannot.

He will not get it. Can we all please not argue, quote or respond to The August Redact anymore? The person is beyond reason and every reply to them just generates multiple replies to himself. Plus, it is all ultimately meaningless! His argument is that somehow August bdays (all 3 of them) will be cheating if they play with their new age groups and no big clubs will allow August bdays to do that. Fine! He is right!! You won August Redact! You are 100% correct. Can we not talk about it anymore? Please, just move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You also seem to think that after playing down with the lower level A team that players can just jump back on the A team with players their grade. But this was proven to not be true or your kid would be playing on the A team with players their grade now.

So much entitlement.

It doesn't matter though because its not your decision to make. You can choose to not play on the B team with players your kids age or you can play at a different club. Coaches aren't going to let parents dictate teams especially if the kid can't even make the A team in their grade.

Again with this grade nonsense. An August kid plays with Aug 1st - July 31st cohort, not some nebulous concept of "grade". While some rare kids are so amazing they can play up a year, 99.9% cannot.

He will not get it. Can we all please not argue, quote or respond to The August Redact anymore? The person is beyond reason and every reply to them just generates multiple replies to himself. Plus, it is all ultimately meaningless! His argument is that somehow August bdays (all 3 of them) will be cheating if they play with their new age groups and no big clubs will allow August bdays to do that. Fine! He is right!! You won August Redact! You are 100% correct. Can we not talk about it anymore? Please, just move on.

I haven't posted any comments on this thread but I can't take it any more. Why do these knuckle heads continue to talk about grade or grad year??? The new 12 month date groupings have been officially announced. Can we move on and quite talking about hypotheticals and this grade year/grad year nonsense. Why can't people understand this? Is it that difficult?

[Anonymous]

Agree, but what else is there to talk about now? It’s all over but the crying for the BY crazies. Nothing left to discuss really.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree, but what else is there to talk about now? It’s all over but the crying for the BY crazies. Nothing left to discuss really.

We can debate when MLSN will officially announce. My own guess is they will drop it during a holiday weekend or something like that. Maybe thanksgiving or Christmas.

Still some question about this spring and any rules being bent to prepare (seems unlikely). Also, when and what are clubs doing in general to prepare now that it is certainly imminent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, but what else is there to talk about now? It’s all over but the crying for the BY crazies. Nothing left to discuss really.

We can debate when MLSN will officially announce. My own guess is they will drop it during a holiday weekend or something like that. Maybe thanksgiving or Christmas.

Still some question about this spring and any rules being bent to prepare (seems unlikely). Also, when and what are clubs doing in general to prepare now that it is certainly imminent.

MLSN top level academies stay BY but play up vs. the rest who go SY. ... MLSN will make the BY-ers work harder to win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, but what else is there to talk about now? It’s all over but the crying for the BY crazies. Nothing left to discuss really.

We can debate when MLSN will officially announce. My own guess is they will drop it during a holiday weekend or something like that. Maybe thanksgiving or Christmas.

Still some question about this spring and any rules being bent to prepare (seems unlikely). Also, when and what are clubs doing in general to prepare now that it is certainly imminent.

MLSN top level academies stay BY but play up vs. the rest who go SY. ... MLSN will make the BY-ers work harder to win.

I was thinking this as well but there has been some recent talk around about the academies also just going SY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, but what else is there to talk about now? It’s all over but the crying for the BY crazies. Nothing left to discuss really.

We can debate when MLSN will officially announce. My own guess is they will drop it during a holiday weekend or something like that. Maybe thanksgiving or Christmas.

Still some question about this spring and any rules being bent to prepare (seems unlikely). Also, when and what are clubs doing in general to prepare now that it is certainly imminent.

MLSN top level academies stay BY but play up vs. the rest who go SY. ... MLSN will make the BY-ers work harder to win.

I was thinking this as well but there has been some recent talk around about the academies also just going SY.

The benefits (if any) of BY are outweighed by the confusion (for coaches, players, parents and tourney directors) of having two age cutoffs in the same league. Also, does not make sense for MLSN to lose out on the cumulative effect of RAE from the u8-u12 pool of players across the entire US, come u13.

[Anonymous]

The MLS academy in our city is only marginally better than the top two Homegrown team at several age levels. I highly doubt it would be in their best interest of recruiting to "play up" and most likely lose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The MLS academy in our city is only marginally better than the top two Homegrown team at several age levels. I highly doubt it would be in their best interest of recruiting to "play up" and most likely lose.

In our area, the top ECNL teams are very competitive if not better than some MLSN homegrown, so the margins can be narrow with top teams I agree. I think this MLS academy staying BY rumor was started by parents of academy kids born in Q2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While younger (below U16), and facing the choice of the A team in a grade below and B team in their own grade’s, it could be beneficial development wise for Aug kids to choose the A team below simply because we A team has much better ‘resources’ than B team. After puberty and years of development on A team, It’s not that hard for the well developed Aug kids to go back to their own grade’s A team. Of course, Coach and clubs will make their judgement. But this gives the kids the best opportunities to fight RAE.

I love how you bend RAE into whatever you want it to be.

Here's the facts a player is not good enough to make the A team in their grade. You seem to think that the A team a grade down is equivalent to the B team with players their grade. RAE is the same for both the A and B team of players your grade. Playing down a grade just makes your kid the oldest. (ie playing down for wins)

You also seem to think that after playing down with the lower level A team that players can just jump back on the A team with players their grade. But this was proven to not be true or your kid would be playing on the A team with players their grade now.

So much entitlement.

It doesn't matter though because its not your decision to make. You can choose to not play on the B team with players your kids age or you can play at a different club. Coaches aren't going to let parents dictate teams especially if the kid can't even make the A team in their grade.

So much entitlement yourself. Every team/club/kid is so different and you just generalize parent making certain decisions just for win. No, I care little about winning and I prefer close games/competition rather than winning. I believe most educated parents care development much more than winning. I am just saying it some cases It is good development wise for some Aug kids to make certain choices. But it is none of your business and You seem to be very insecure about Aug kids taking your kids’ spot. My suggestion to you is to stop worrying about others’ decisions within the rule and stop attacking Aug kids and parents. Period.

Good thing you don't get to make the choice. Otherwise you'd makes the stupid decision to play down a grade. Clubs, coaches, and and hopefully leagues will implement rules not allowing Aug birthdays play down.

It will happen and you'll be back here this fall complaining about how they wont let your kid play down. I just hope leagues document the rule so parents looking to cheat get called out and the insanity of parents looking to play down stops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, but what else is there to talk about now? It’s all over but the crying for the BY crazies. Nothing left to discuss really.

We can debate when MLSN will officially announce. My own guess is they will drop it during a holiday weekend or something like that. Maybe thanksgiving or Christmas.

Still some question about this spring and any rules being bent to prepare (seems unlikely). Also, when and what are clubs doing in general to prepare now that it is certainly imminent.

MLSN top level academies stay BY but play up vs. the rest who go SY. ... MLSN will make the BY-ers work harder to win.

I was thinking this as well but there has been some recent talk around about the academies also just going SY.

The benefits (if any) of BY are outweighed by the confusion (for coaches, players, parents and tourney directors) of having two age cutoffs in the same league. Also, does not make sense for MLSN to lose out on the cumulative effect of RAE from the u8-u12 pool of players across the entire US, come u13.

This doesnt make sense stop bending RAE to fit into you're posts. You dont understand how it works.

If there were 2 groupings with different start dates (1/1 and 8/1). RAE would be beneficial to January AND August birthdays. Since these dates are roughly 6 months appart and both groupings are 365 days . Maintaining 2 seperate groupings this way would actually be better for RAE.. Once players get older and RAE isnt an issue top players would be more distributed to the entire year because of the 2 groupings and start dates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, but what else is there to talk about now? It’s all over but the crying for the BY crazies. Nothing left to discuss really.

We can debate when MLSN will officially announce. My own guess is they will drop it during a holiday weekend or something like that. Maybe thanksgiving or Christmas.

Still some question about this spring and any rules being bent to prepare (seems unlikely). Also, when and what are clubs doing in general to prepare now that it is certainly imminent.

MLSN top level academies stay BY but play up vs. the rest who go SY. ... MLSN will make the BY-ers work harder to win.

I was thinking this as well but there has been some recent talk around about the academies also just going SY.

The benefits (if any) of BY are outweighed by the confusion (for coaches, players, parents and tourney directors) of having two age cutoffs in the same league. Also, does not make sense for MLSN to lose out on the cumulative effect of RAE from the u8-u12 pool of players across the entire US, come u13.

Also theres no confusion about tournaments.

in BY tournaments if SY teams want to participate they will need to play up. (against players 6 months older)

in SY tournaments if BY teams want to participate they will need to play up. (against players 6 months older)

None of this is difficult to do.Teams playing up currently in tournaments are playing against players 12 months older.