ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

Dude! It would be an unfair advantage for ECNL to say Aug kids in this region have to play up but kids from this region can keep them “down”? No one is going to do that.

Aug kids will have the option to go up play with majority of kids in their grade or stay and play the age group assigned because they have an Aug birthday.

Recruiters will dictate how things happen when they ignore the trojan horses playing down a grade. Clubs with no college commitments look weak and pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

Nope its SY 8/1-7/31 but Aug birthdays have to play with their grade.

GY let's cheaters play down for wins.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

Nope its SY 8/1-7/31 but Aug birthdays have to play with their grade.

GY let's cheaters play down for wins.

Again why would they only move up kids from Aug bdays and not kids in Sept to Dec? Your argument makes no sense.
Why only August kids?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

Dude! It would be an unfair advantage for ECNL to say Aug kids in this region have to play up but kids from this region can keep them “down”? No one is going to do that.

Aug kids will have the option to go up play with majority of kids in their grade or stay and play the age group assigned because they have an Aug birthday.

Recruiters will dictate how things happen when they ignore the trojan horses playing down a grade. Clubs with no college commitments look weak and pathetic.

College coaches want grad year stupid!
If ECNL goes the path of only what recruiters want that’s how you get grad year!

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

Nope its SY 8/1-7/31 but Aug birthdays have to play with their grade.

GY let's cheaters play down for wins.

Again why would they only move up kids from Aug bdays and not kids in Sept to Dec? Your argument makes no sense.
Why only August kids?

Just goto bed. This person is on their own journey and can’t see past their own greed for their kid. Just let them think what they want like the mentality I’ll leftist they are and walk around them.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

Nope its SY 8/1-7/31 but Aug birthdays have to play with their grade.

GY let's cheaters play down for wins.

Again why would they only move up kids from Aug bdays and not kids in Sept to Dec? Your argument makes no sense.
Why only August kids?

Because theres very few schools with a start date after 9/1 just like theres very few schools with a start date before 8/1.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

Dude! It would be an unfair advantage for ECNL to say Aug kids in this region have to play up but kids from this region can keep them “down”? No one is going to do that.

Aug kids will have the option to go up play with majority of kids in their grade or stay and play the age group assigned because they have an Aug birthday.

Recruiters will dictate how things happen when they ignore the trojan horses playing down a grade. Clubs with no college commitments look weak and pathetic.

College coaches want grad year stupid!
If ECNL goes the path of only what recruiters want that’s how you get grad year!

Nope, when theres a hard eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 cheaters cant play down for wins. This is what keeps leagues like ECNL fron slippery sloping into GY.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

Nope its SY 8/1-7/31 but Aug birthdays have to play with their grade.

GY let's cheaters play down for wins.

Again why would they only move up kids from Aug bdays and not kids in Sept to Dec? Your argument makes no sense.
Why only August kids?

Just goto bed. This person is on their own journey and can’t see past their own greed for their kid. Just let them think what they want like the mentality I’ll leftist they are and walk around them.

I like how you keep trying to make friends with other posters + they immediately ignore anything you say.

I assume they sense rhe crazy and want no part of it.

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Please stop! the Aug kid guy/gal. Rule is rule, simple and hard. Let the misaligned kids and families make their own choices. Care about your own kids instead of others’ no matter what the rule is. Make this thread more informative other than more hateful. Please stop..

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

Nope its SY 8/1-7/31 but Aug birthdays have to play with their grade.

GY let's cheaters play down for wins.

It is a seasonal year. Whether an Aug. player wants to play up or play in their own age group is his/her personal choice.

Only MLS biobanding players are playing down in one year younger age group, and obviously act as cheaters stealing younger players' game time.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

Nope its SY 8/1-7/31 but Aug birthdays have to play with their grade.

GY let's cheaters play down for wins.

It is a seasonal year. Whether an Aug. player wants to play up or play in their own age group is his/her personal choice.

Only MLS biobanding players are playing down in one year younger age group, and obviously act as cheaters stealing younger players' game time.

Its not a personal choice unless Aug birthday parents are shopping for clubs that will allow their kid to play down a grade.

Otherwise its the clubs decision and most of the time they'll place Aug players on the B team with players their grade.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD is August and late grower. Still growing in 10th grade actually. PP at 12:20 is exactly right. Highly technical but never big enough. Now will be youngest as well. Should have planned better 15 years ago…

If she is born in August, she will be lumped into the || 1 August--31 July || group. She would be the oldest kid in the new grouping. Next year, she will be in 11th Grade on a predominantly 10th Grade team. (If your grade year cut off is 1 October to 30 September).

Clubs won't allow playing down like this.

It is not Playing down. The new rules have nothing to do with what the player's actual Grade or Graduation Year is. It is just a new 12-month grouping that moved from Jan-December to August-July. We have mixed grades now and we will have mixed grades in the new grouping as well.

In the example above, the player is born in August. She will be a Junior next year. But, she will play in a new grouping that is August to July. Players born in August and September, will be the oldest kids (Juniors), and be a grade level above the October to July Kids (who would be Sophomores).

You're not wrong to be confused, that is why we have over 1200 pages on this topic.

As others have said its going to be fun reading your threads this spring when you find out that clubs won't let Aug birthdays play down.

The only reason they wouldn’t allow that is if showcases are grad year it doesn’t make sense to have a 12 month cut off and only for Aug kids to be grade aligned when there’s going to be plenty of Sept-Dec players who are also not going to be grade aligned with the majority of the team.

Kids will not be mandated to play up if showcases and league play are 8/1-7/31 that just does not make sense.

If a kid is able to compete at the level and wants to stay with their classmates I’m sure that will happen also.

But clubs with lots of competition telling a player and parent sorry you have to play up but other clubs GA or ECNL says we’d love to have your talented player and take your money.

I just don’t see clubs doing that unless the player and parents are wanting to play up.

If these players were any good they'd be playing on the A team with their grade. What makes you think the A team a grade below them would want an Aug birthday on their team?

Just play on your kids grade B team. Get better and work your way up to the coreect grade A team.

There are no grades in club soccer so your rambling makes no sense.

Right...Grade in school doesnt count. Except when you use it as a way to justify Switching from BY to SY to reduce the number of trapped players. Such a hypocrite.

Moving to BY was not a popular move, clubs were not consulted and BY caused problems. Now moving back to SY which was better. You arguing for GY seems to unique. People seem very against GY.

Im not argueing for GY.

All I want is SY 8/1-7/31 and Aug birthdays cant play down. This addresses all the issues and keeps the holdbacks out.

It’s not going to happen at most places obviously there will be some kids who play up. But it will really depend on the talent level at tryouts. Maybe some Aug kids will want to play up but the ones who don’t won’t be forced too.

That’s just bad business.

ECNL has already said the new formation won’t fix everything but will help get most kids aligned with their grade.

If they care that much about making sure all kids are aligned with their grades they would just go grad year.

This would be a slippery slope to grad year if we force a certain group to play up. Why stop at Aug kids? What about September grade misaligned players?

If ecnl does GY for showcases then I could see clubs forcing it more because they want to keep kids together with their grade for the year.

The PP wants GY. Nobody else does.

Nope, I want a hard 8/1-7/31 eligibility window but players must play on a team with players their grade and not play on a team with players a grade below them in school.

That is not logical. A hard window is a hard window. The grades the kids are in is irrelevant.

Makes sense to me and it guarantees that all players on the field are a specific grade in school.

It makes no sense. You can never 'guarantee' that all players are in the same grade. Kids redshirt, kids move from other countries and are held back, etc. A hard date cutoff with no exceptions is perfectly logical. Most kids will be in the same grade, and that's good enough. There's no perfect system.

There's multiple ways to make all the players on the field the same grade.

It is true that hold backs will need to play on a team with players their age not grade. But this is the grade in school that they're supposed to be. Its not my fault players parents got caught cheating and now have to live through the repercussions.

So if August kids went to school a year late, under your system they would have to play up a grade. Your system is GY but only when convenient for you. 12 month window is better.

"Went to school late" aka parents are cheating by having a 16 year old freshman.

Yea.... Nobody cares

Your holdback is welcome to play on a team with players their age.

August holdbacks would scheduled to play with their grade though. Nobody forcing them to play up to their "natural" grade.

Natural grade?

Come on, just admit that you like to cheat.

You’re the only one who has this weird thing with wanting GY but only where it’s convenient to your agenda.

It’s going to be a 12 month window just like it is now! For you to be so upset about Aug kids playing with the grade below is laughable! Who cares if they are the grade above or two grades above or the grade behind because if they fit in the 12 month window they can play. That’s it!

As multiple people have said clubs want players to be in the same grade for recruitment (not playing a grade down). Not that you'd understand anything about recruitment. Are those u10 games still fun?

That’s grad year my friend. You’re arguing for and against grad year. You’re a special fella

Nope its SY 8/1-7/31 but Aug birthdays have to play with their grade.

GY let's cheaters play down for wins.

It is a seasonal year. Whether an Aug. player wants to play up or play in their own age group is his/her personal choice.

Only MLS biobanding players are playing down in one year younger age group, and obviously act as cheaters stealing younger players' game time.

Its not a personal choice unless Aug birthday parents are shopping for clubs that will allow their kid to play down a grade.

Otherwise its the clubs decision and most of the time they'll place Aug players on the B team with players their grade.

If an Aug birthday player isnt good enough to make the roster of the A team in their grade why do you feel entitled to play on the grade down A team?

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While younger (below U16), and facing the choice of the A team in a grade below and B team in their own grade’s, it could be beneficial development wise for Aug kids to choose the A team below simply because we A team has much better ‘resources’ than B team. After puberty and years of development on A team, It’s not that hard for the well developed Aug kids to go back to their own grade’s A team. Of course, Coach and clubs will make their judgement. But this gives the kids the best opportunities to fight RAE.