Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:Releasing names of adults who have caused a tragedy are released by public officials. This is not up to "the family." If that were the case, then we wouldn't know any of the perpetrators of accidents and tragedies. But the names are always revealed.

Something is not right there.

It is up to the family.
There is a protocol in the military when there is a service member death. Family gets a say.

Stop with the crazy conspiracy theory.

They don’t get a say when 64 innocents are killed. 2/3 families are doing the right thing. What’s wrong with the 3rd?

No, you don’t get a say.

No one owes you anything. You’re just some random anonymous nut job.

+1

The nut jobs need to get off the internet and Fox News.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Well said. Thank you.

+1000000!

This is it: It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Everyone else STFU. And now they seem to have come to their senses and changed the process - no more helicopters in flight paths is the right process There is NOBODY who is infallible. You are then a machine and not a human if you are infallible. That helicopter may have messed up - but maybe they didn't - we'll never know what they saw or did not see. The way to approach this is to call it a tragedy of major proportions and learn how to ensure it does not happen again. There has been a pattern of near misses so these 2 planes just paid the ultimate price. It was not the first or second or even 5th time this could have happened.

Absolutely not at all ridiculous to expect to be told who was piloting a helicopter that killed 60+ civilians. When in the history of major airplane disasters has the name of the pilot behind the controls NOT been reported, but moreover, intentionally withheld

They’re probably withholding the name to prepare the family for the vitriol that is going be unleashed on their daughter/sister/wife/niece, etc . It’s going to be ugly for them once the name is released.

We know the names of all the men involved. Why is she being treated differently?

Are feminists ok with this?

It’s not a feminist thing. It’s a response to the current political environment.
Because women in the military are the target of the SecDef and the Pres who are encouraging the targeting. Their followers will say/do terrible things since they’ve been given a license to by the leaders. All blame will be on her. No matter what. There is no truth anymore with this administration.
Best to prepare the family.

No one is going to say jack about the two male military personnel. Because of the leaders have said men can do no wrong.

The end result will be the grounding all women military pilots.

-signed former military officer

Disagree. Any pilot that crashes their helicopter into a passenger jet, despite
all the warning and altitude restrictions that were not followed, should get an intense investigation into their training, qualifications, performances, and merit. And I’m sure the male pilot will, just as she will. That isn’t discriminating bc she is a woman- it is trying to figure out
What went wrong in training and preparation that could allow this to have happened

I agree with you. Additionally, these are Army Black Hawk pilots- not random pilots of a private helicopter. We should expect the standard to be perfection. It’s possible that due to errors in judgement these army pilots caused the deaths of civilians. It’s unacceptable and a right to privacy is no excuse for information to be withheld.

Whatever, you whiner.

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From the Philly plane crash thread.

1/20: Trump becomes president
1/20: FAA director fired
1/21: Air Traffic Controller hiring freeze 1/22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
1/29: first major mid-air collision in almost two decades - almost 70 killed 1/30: Trump blames Obama, Biden, Buttigieg, and DEI
1/31: Philly plane crash

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Well said. Thank you.

+1000000!

This is it: It’s ridiculous fixating on/bickering about the individual pilots and their qualifications. Ridiculous. Incidents like this are a failure of process and policy, not of individual people. You can never rely on people to have perfect judgment or experience. Processes must account for that. Period. If it was possible for this to happen “by accident” then that’s not OK and multiple major changes need to be made.

With the enormity of this tragedy, try gaining some perspective and realize these petty fights are not worth having.

Everyone else STFU. And now they seem to have come to their senses and changed the process - no more helicopters in flight paths is the right process There is NOBODY who is infallible. You are then a machine and not a human if you are infallible. That helicopter may have messed up - but maybe they didn't - we'll never know what they saw or did not see. The way to approach this is to call it a tragedy of major proportions and learn how to ensure it does not happen again. There has been a pattern of near misses so these 2 planes just paid the ultimate price. It was not the first or second or even 5th time this could have happened.

Absolutely not at all ridiculous to expect to be told who was piloting a helicopter that killed 60+ civilians. When in the history of major airplane disasters has the name of the pilot behind the controls NOT been reported, but moreover, intentionally withheld

They’re probably withholding the name to prepare the family for the vitriol that is going be unleashed on their daughter/sister/wife/niece, etc . It’s going to be ugly for them once the name is released.

We know the names of all the men involved. Why is she being treated differently?

Are feminists ok with this?

It’s not a feminist thing. It’s a response to the current political environment.
Because women in the military are the target of the SecDef and the Pres who are encouraging the targeting. Their followers will say/do terrible things since they’ve been given a license to by the leaders. All blame will be on her. No matter what. There is no truth anymore with this administration.
Best to prepare the family.

No one is going to say jack about the two male military personnel. Because of the leaders have said men can do no wrong.

The end result will be the grounding all women military pilots.

-signed former military officer

Disagree. Any pilot that crashes their helicopter into a passenger jet, despite
all the warning and altitude restrictions that were not followed, should get an intense investigation into their training, qualifications, performances, and merit. And I’m sure the male pilot will, just as she will. That isn’t discriminating bc she is a woman- it is trying to figure out
What went wrong in training and preparation that could allow this to have happened

I agree with you. Additionally, these are Army Black Hawk pilots- not random pilots of a private helicopter. We should expect the standard to be perfection. It’s possible that due to errors in judgement these army pilots caused the deaths of civilians. It’s unacceptable and a right to privacy is no excuse for information to be withheld.

+1 But I'm not surprised that the military keeps things quiet and under wraps.

Lots of places circle the wagons fast.

The medical history of the pilot and 2 others might show health concerns.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has been involved in accident investigations, I prefer that the crewmember information NOT be released at this stage. It should be anonymized during the course of the investigation, so as to avoid any risk of subconscious bias (or even the appearance of such). Let the investigation go where the data leads. Once a probable cause has been determined, IF there is reason to suspect that the skills, training or experience of the personnel were a factor, THEN proceed to examine their records to determine where those factors fell short.

The only reason to examine records at this point, before anyone has a full picture of what happened, is to scapegoat the least experienced member of the team. (And btw, it's not always the least experienced person who actually made the mistake! Another good reason to wait for the investigation to conclude on the evidence before jumping to blame any individual.)

That sounds reasonable. But that also isn’t how things are done here. The two other crew members’ names have been released. The American Airlines pilots’ names have been released. They are withholding one name. The name of the women thought it have been flying the helicopter. That is shady. I cannot recall any transportation disaster that has killed as many people as this where the pilot, captain, driver, etc. name isn’t released

+1 Exactly. I'm sure some of their family members would have preferred anonymity, too.

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Anonymous wrote:There are numerous BH pilots saying it was the primary job of the white guy sitting in the back to make sure the area around the BH was clear. I also read that it often is 2 in back although 3 can be done. But doesn’t make sense in this airspace.

Yeah and?

What does the back crew guy do with the PIC, with one hand on cyclical, other hand on collective, and her feet on the rotors, juts up 150 ft off course and veers into middle of river suddenly right when a commercial jet descends there?

Btw this easily could have happened at runway 1 thirty seconds more down river.

This is exactly what will happen with MAGA. They’ll ignore the experts and pull $hit out of their ass to make up some narrative that of course she was a DEI hire, despite absolutely no evidence of it. The men who are alive and knew her won’t speak up on her behalf because there’s a hatred for women in the military as of 1/20/25.

Just the ones that kill 70 people in mid air.

So you’ve already tried her with all the military evidence you have, and found that not only is she guilty, but a “killer?!” Are you already trashing the two white men who did nothing to stop a helicopter that was too high, and off course in line with DCA’s runway?

As soon as you read that last sentence, is your mind now scrambling to make up more damning reasons to blame this accident solely on the actions of a single person, outside of any higher ups who gave orders, or any other culpable parties because she has to be a DEI hire for the very reason she dared to be a woman in the military?

She was in charge it’s mostly her fault.

Then what do you need her name for? To curse it?

They can keep her name, I want to see her credentials and background.

+1. And last 5-10 years of reviews

WTH? I personally knew three active duty pilots who were killed while flying. All three were white men. They got “thoughts and prayers” and “gratitude for their service and heroism.” And what killed them? Human error. Every. Single. Time. Your misogyny is pathetic.

How many people died with them?

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently no more helicopters flying that route anymore. Good start but why did it take an accident to make this happen. I feel like there seem to be so many more helicopters in recent years. Don’t get me started on the low flying over roofs in our neighborhood. Hope this also closes conversation on more flights into Reagan.

And why a TRAINING flight? There was no need for this helicopter to be there at all.

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Anonymous wrote:We fly out of both Dulles and Regan. Is Reagan Dulles father away from military flight paths? I’m getting anxious about our summer plane tickets.

"Regan"? Do you mean National?

Dulles does not have these congestion issues.

Some people still call it Reagan, don't be obtuse.

It’s the opposite. The airport is actually called Regan. National is old school.

National is its proper name. Changing it to Reagan was just petty Republican BS.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has been involved in accident investigations, I prefer that the crewmember information NOT be released at this stage. It should be anonymized during the course of the investigation, so as to avoid any risk of subconscious bias (or even the appearance of such). Let the investigation go where the data leads. Once a probable cause has been determined, IF there is reason to suspect that the skills, training or experience of the personnel were a factor, THEN proceed to examine their records to determine where those factors fell short.

The only reason to examine records at this point, before anyone has a full picture of what happened, is to scapegoat the least experienced member of the team. (And btw, it's not always the least experienced person who actually made the mistake! Another good reason to wait for the investigation to conclude on the evidence before jumping to blame any individual.)

That sounds reasonable. But that also isn’t how things are done here. The two other crew members’ names have been released. The American Airlines pilots’ names have been released. They are withholding one name. The name of the women thought it have been flying the helicopter. That is shady. I cannot recall any transportation disaster that has killed as many people as this where the pilot, captain, driver, etc. name isn’t released

Oh no. How is the world going to keep spinning if you think this is shady.

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Anonymous wrote:We fly out of both Dulles and Regan. Is Reagan Dulles father away from military flight paths? I’m getting anxious about our summer plane tickets.

"Regan"? Do you mean National?

Dulles does not have these congestion issues.

Some people still call it Reagan, don't be obtuse.

It’s the opposite. The airport is actually called Regan. National is old school.

National is its proper name. Changing it to Reagan was just petty Republican BS.

Iykyk. It will always be National to some of us.

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Anonymous wrote:You know the nutjobs will target the woman even before we know if she was really at fault. It's part of the dei hire narrative. I don't blame the family.

+1 Agree. If there was a woman piloting the helicopter, her family knows they will be doxxed beyond belief, harassed, and threatened.

Unfortunately, withholding the name is possibly making things worse by fueling conspiracy theories. But I understand the family's reaction of wanting to keep the name out of the public eye, especially right now, when disciples of this administration will feel very empowered to do whatever they want to anyone they choose, including the innocent family of a dead soldier.

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Anonymous wrote:We fly out of both Dulles and Regan. Is Reagan Dulles father away from military flight paths? I’m getting anxious about our summer plane tickets.

"Regan"? Do you mean National?

Dulles does not have these congestion issues.

Some people still call it Reagan, don't be obtuse.

It’s the opposite. The airport is actually called Regan. National is old school.

National is its proper name. Changing it to Reagan was just petty Republican BS.

Iykyk. It will always be National to some of us.

DCA FTW

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They couldn’t see these planes lights?

Do you know for a fact the pilot was alive at impact?

You don’t. Let the people do their investigation.

You think you know all. But you don’t.

Given the responses to ATC, yes!

Based on the recordings that have been released, at least 1 male was alive and was the only person responding to ATC.

I think that is a very interesting point. Why would someone not controlling the BH say the saw the airplane. Maybe the woman pilot was not flying the BH.

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Anonymous wrote:You know the nutjobs will target the woman even before we know if she was really at fault. It's part of the dei hire narrative. I don't blame the family.

+1 Agree. If there was a woman piloting the helicopter, her family knows they will be doxxed beyond belief, harassed, and threatened.

Unfortunately, withholding the name is possibly making things worse by fueling conspiracy theories. But I understand the family's reaction of wanting to keep the name out of the public eye, especially right now, when disciples of this administration will feel very empowered to do whatever they want to anyone they choose, including the innocent family of a dead soldier.

Embarrassment

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who has been involved in accident investigations, I prefer that the crewmember information NOT be released at this stage. It should be anonymized during the course of the investigation, so as to avoid any risk of subconscious bias (or even the appearance of such). Let the investigation go where the data leads. Once a probable cause has been determined, IF there is reason to suspect that the skills, training or experience of the personnel were a factor, THEN proceed to examine their records to determine where those factors fell short.

The only reason to examine records at this point, before anyone has a full picture of what happened, is to scapegoat the least experienced member of the team. (And btw, it's not always the least experienced person who actually made the mistake! Another good reason to wait for the investigation to conclude on the evidence before jumping to blame any individual.)

That sounds reasonable. But that also isn’t how things are done here. The two other crew members’ names have been released. The American Airlines pilots’ names have been released. They are withholding one name. The name of the women thought it have been flying the helicopter. That is shady. I cannot recall any transportation disaster that has killed as many people as this where the pilot, captain, driver, etc. name isn’t released

+1 Exactly. I'm sure some of their family members would have preferred anonymity, too.

Those families talked to the press or posted on Facebook.

Stop trying to start rumors.