FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the bad schools got more money than the higher performing schools - wasn't that working?

I bought my house for the school. How much notice will we get so we can sell our house and move? What if my house depreciates because of the newly zoned school???

You have about five months before the hammer comes down. Basically the upcoming spring buying season, but really need to be sold before May 2025.

But no lines have been drawn. It will just be a guessing game for now.

Massive uncertainty for all FCPS children now and continuing every five years in the future. What could go wrong?

Change is the only constant in life. Some may like it, some may not.

Also FCPS should not be concerned about real estate values.

Fairfax County is facing huge budget shortfalls but sure let’s drop property values and thus property tax revenue.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the bad schools got more money than the higher performing schools - wasn't that working?

I bought my house for the school. How much notice will we get so we can sell our house and move? What if my house depreciates because of the newly zoned school???

How much per pupil funding do you think it would take to bring academics at Lewis up to the level of WSHS?

The low-performing schools would need to give students private tutors - so whatever that cost would be.

Sending high-performing students to the low-performing ones is going to be a problem. It will just crowd out the low-performing and bring down the scores in the high-performing.

If you are a high performing student you will still be in your bubble of high performing students relax.

Yeah relax, just let the equity activists mess with your kids’ educations. They promise your kids will be fine. Relax.

AHHH!!!! This is such B.S. When a high-performing kid goes to an equitable school - the teachers don't challenge them!!! As a community, we are in trouble. This entire idea completely sucks. Way to F&%# things up Fairfax County!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the bad schools got more money than the higher performing schools - wasn't that working?

I bought my house for the school. How much notice will we get so we can sell our house and move? What if my house depreciates because of the newly zoned school???

You have about five months before the hammer comes down. Basically the upcoming spring buying season, but really need to be sold before May 2025.

But no lines have been drawn. It will just be a guessing game for now.

Massive uncertainty for all FCPS children now and continuing every five years in the future. What could go wrong?

Change is the only constant in life. Some may like it, some may not.

Also FCPS should not be concerned about real estate values.

What a naive take.

BOS might think differently. FCPS should be concerned with teaching and educating every student. What do they really believe this will accomplish?
Simple solution: start with eliminating IB in the schools. That would be a step toward "equity."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the bad schools got more money than the higher performing schools - wasn't that working?

I bought my house for the school. How much notice will we get so we can sell our house and move? What if my house depreciates because of the newly zoned school???

You have about five months before the hammer comes down. Basically the upcoming spring buying season, but really need to be sold before May 2025.

But no lines have been drawn. It will just be a guessing game for now.

Massive uncertainty for all FCPS children now and continuing every five years in the future. What could go wrong?

Change is the only constant in life. Some may like it, some may not.

Also FCPS should not be concerned about real estate values.

What a naive take.

To the equity warrior, there is only one goal. Bring everyone down to the lowest level no matter the cost.

THIS!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the bad schools got more money than the higher performing schools - wasn't that working?

I bought my house for the school. How much notice will we get so we can sell our house and move? What if my house depreciates because of the newly zoned school???

How much per pupil funding do you think it would take to bring academics at Lewis up to the level of WSHS?

The low-performing schools would need to give students private tutors - so whatever that cost would be.

Sending high-performing students to the low-performing ones is going to be a problem. It will just crowd out the low-performing and bring down the scores in the high-performing.

If you are a high performing student you will still be in your bubble of high performing students relax.

That only works if their are sufficient high performing students. The more high performing students, the more course offering are directed to them, the fewer high performing students, the fewer offerings. That's one of the reasons that I don't think IB will go away. IB has a relatively set curriculum, so the school only needs to offer those classes. Bring AP to Lewis or Mt Vernon and parents will compare the offerings to Langley, McLean, Chantilly... and that whole equitable access to curriculum will look like a joke

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I thought the bad schools got more money than the higher performing schools - wasn't that working?

I bought my house for the school. How much notice will we get so we can sell our house and move? What if my house depreciates because of the newly zoned school???

No. If you don't understand equity, nobody on an internet forum is going to be able to explain it to you.

You have about five months before the hammer comes down. Basically the upcoming spring buying season, but really need to be sold before May 2025.

But no lines have been drawn. It will just be a guessing game for now.

Massive uncertainty for all FCPS children now and continuing every five years in the future. What could go wrong?

Change is the only constant in life. Some may like it, some may not.

Also FCPS should not be concerned about real estate values.

What a naive take.

To the equity warrior, there is only one goal. Bring everyone down to the lowest level no matter the cost.

THIS!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I thought the bad schools got more money than the higher performing schools - wasn't that working?

I bought my house for the school. How much notice will we get so we can sell our house and move? What if my house depreciates because of the newly zoned school???

You have about five months before the hammer comes down. Basically the upcoming spring buying season, but really need to be sold before May 2025.

But no lines have been drawn. It will just be a guessing game for now.

Massive uncertainty for all FCPS children now and continuing every five years in the future. What could go wrong?

Change is the only constant in life. Some may like it, some may not.

Also FCPS should not be concerned about real estate values.

What a naive take.

To the equity warrior, there is only one goal. Bring everyone down to the lowest level no matter the cost.

Yes, someone else gets it, and the only warriors on the field are the equity warriors Reid and the school board.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents shouldn’t be involved. That’s how you get these absurd little cutouts and gerrymanders. Let the consultants draw the maps.

Yeah, let the out of state no bid consultants who have never done anything like this before who advertised themselves as being broadband consultants do the work. They are much more qualified to determine the fate of FCPS students than parents.

In a sea of dumb SJW ideas…

The consultants are only here for cover. Reid a the school board have made their decisions. Parents are only being given lip service. How many times does this same shell game have to be played before Fairfax county voters and parents catch on?

Since you’re so omniscient, fill us in on these already-made decisions.

Happy to lay it out for you. The twin pillars of Reid's equity at all cost and board members self interest will result in the following. Boundaries that move high performing students to low performing schools based on the friend groups of board members, resulting in boundaries that would make heavily gerrymandered congressional districts look sane. The parents of those high performing kids will move to non-public alternatives and school performance across FCPS will plummet. School vouchers enter the VA landscape, Reid retires with a big nest egg and board members move on to other political offices. Everyone wins, except for FCPS students and parents.

Nope. People can't just afford "non public alternatives ". Sure some of fcps can, but many of the young fed/mil/contractors/single parent incomes are NOT making g private school money.
It's so irritating when people throw this out as an easy alternative or an inevitable outcome.

As the public schools continue to flounder voucher programs will take hold in all states. Catholic school enrollment will expand and other "church" based schools will emerge. Many of the "young fed/mil/contractors/single parents" will make the move to these schools, finding a way to cover the costs that vouchers don't. Sure some will be left out and they will join the poor and LMC in suffering at what is left of the public school system. This is the path the Reid and the school board are taking every one down, like it or not, see it or not.

Many of us tax payers will not support our tax dollars going to support private or religious schools. We are the majority. Vouchers are not going to happen on a large scale.

Many of who? You have to understand that the relevant population is purple Virginia, not Blue Fairfax. It is a lot closer to reality than you or the school board want to believe.

At this point, I’m ok with vouchers. Public schools have gone downhill and I have no hope that they will recover. I don’t want to waste my taxpayer dollars on failing schools anymore.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So, is the goal to make sure every school has the same percentage of free lunches? The same racial demographics?

I don't think they realize just how destructive a boundary review is to the communities. When you cannot even divulge the names of the people on the review committee, that should tell you something.

I live on one edge of a compact boundary. If the committee members are from the other edge, who do you think will move? And, FWIW, no school is closer to us than the current one.

They know that there are tipping points with the number of FARMS students beyond which the performance of non-FARMS students falls dramatically. Ideally, they'd try to bring every school below that threshold. Geography prevents it to some extent, but it's still a justifiable reason to rezone

No, geography prevents it to a great extent. Which is why the result of this is going to be some nibbling at the borders and a few split feeder reassignments and nothing more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, is the goal to make sure every school has the same percentage of free lunches? The same racial demographics?

I don't think they realize just how destructive a boundary review is to the communities. When you cannot even divulge the names of the people on the review committee, that should tell you something.

I live on one edge of a compact boundary. If the committee members are from the other edge, who do you think will move? And, FWIW, no school is closer to us than the current one.

They know that there are tipping points with the number of FARMS students beyond which the performance of non-FARMS students falls dramatically. Ideally, they'd try to bring every school below that threshold. Geography prevents it to some extent, but it's still a justifiable reason to rezone

No, geography prevents it to a great extent. Which is why the result of this is going to be some nibbling at the borders and a few split feeder reassignments and nothing more.

I bet the SB has no realization of this. I don't know about all of FCPS, but I do know there is a good reason why schools end up the way they do demographically.

I do not live anywhere near Langley or Great Falls, but I have visited the area on a number of occasions. Where are the poor kids going to come from? Why do you think Great Falls was assigned there to start with?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, is the goal to make sure every school has the same percentage of free lunches? The same racial demographics?

I don't think they realize just how destructive a boundary review is to the communities. When you cannot even divulge the names of the people on the review committee, that should tell you something.

I live on one edge of a compact boundary. If the committee members are from the other edge, who do you think will move? And, FWIW, no school is closer to us than the current one.

They know that there are tipping points with the number of FARMS students beyond which the performance of non-FARMS students falls dramatically. Ideally, they'd try to bring every school below that threshold. Geography prevents it to some extent, but it's still a justifiable reason to rezone

No, geography prevents it to a great extent. Which is why the result of this is going to be some nibbling at the borders and a few split feeder reassignments and nothing more.

I bet the SB has no realization of this. I don't know about all of FCPS, but I do know there is a good reason why schools end up the way they do demographically.

I do not live anywhere near Langley or Great Falls, but I have visited the area on a number of occasions. Where are the poor kids going to come from? Why do you think Great Falls was assigned there to start with?

The western part of Great Falls was assigned to Herndon HS until the mid-1990s. At that time Herndon was overcrowded, and Langley had capacity, so an area west of Springvale Road was reassigned from Herndon to Langley.

Now Herndon (or at least Herndon HS) has capacity again, and McLean HS remains overcrowded. What the people from Great Falls fear is not that Langley is going to be inundated with poor kids, but that the School Board will move some kids who live in Tysons from McLean to Langley, and then reassign their neighborhoods to Herndon.

So it's not necessarily that Langley will get poor kids (the Tysons kids are more middle-class than the rest of Langley, but they aren't poor), so much as part of Langley will get moved. If those changes are made, Langley will still be the wealthiest high school in FCPS. It just won't be quite as wealthy.

If they really want to shake things up, and move low-income kids to Langley, it gets harder due to geography. They could redraw Langley's boundaries to include more of Reston (for example, the Forest Edge ES area is contiguous to Langley's current boundaries and has more low-income kids than any of Langley's current feeders) and less of Great Falls. But that part of Reston is closer to South Lakes and might well prefer to remain there.

And the bigger question remains why are they prioritizing this boundary review exercise at a time when enrollments county-wide are essentially flat? How many schools are there that are really severely overcrowded or under-enrolled? Yeah, a school like McLean has been overcrowded for a long time, but it's still below what generally used to be considered the threshold for a boundary change (110% capacity) when space provided by a modular is taken into account. If there are specific areas that do not like being part of an attendance island or split feeder, shouldn't we find out whether it's really something that weighs on the minds of parents in those areas and, if so, address those situations rather than create wider anxiety?

[Anonymous]

Forest Edge might suit the SB's "equity" requirement, but I doubt most of the families would want to leave the Reston area for a longer bus ride and out of the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Forest Edge might suit the SB's "equity" requirement, but I doubt most of the families would want to leave the Reston area for a longer bus ride and out of the community.

PP, cont. And, Forest Edge is really not that much closer than Great Falls. Proves that the equity warriors are more interested in moving the checkers than teaching the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Forest Edge might suit the SB's "equity" requirement, but I doubt most of the families would want to leave the Reston area for a longer bus ride and out of the community.

I would assume that is the case as well. People generally prefer stability and continuity when it comes to boundaries. The School Board should have heard that loud and clear from the prior survey results, which they generally chose to ignore.

However, if the argument is that you just can't draw contiguous boundaries for Langley that would be any different than the school's current boundaries when it comes to the percentage of low-income kids, that's not the case. And the consultants will have access to software that presumably illustrates that quickly if queried.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Forest Edge might suit the SB's "equity" requirement, but I doubt most of the families would want to leave the Reston area for a longer bus ride and out of the community.

PP, cont. And, Forest Edge is really not that much closer than Great Falls. Proves that the equity warriors are more interested in moving the checkers than teaching the kids.

You toss that phrase around quite often. Use it enough and it won't have any meaning left.