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Anonymous wrote:And its funny to see all of the teeth gnashing about hawing about tuition and expenses and this and that.

Son: public school kid (FCPS), graduated magna cum laude from George Mason, graduated cum laude from Georgetown, and is now getting his PhD at Hopkins. Not bad for a 23 year old.

How much did we pay? Well nothing for high school. About $110k for four years of college (including a stint at Oxford), $40k for Georgetown (he got a partial grant), and Hopkins is free.

Oh well, the PHD is free. That shouldn't be in this conversation. My whole education in my home country was free. I also got a PhD from Ivies. It is also becoming increasingly popular to study abroad.

But is a private school all about college placement?

Apparently it is for public school parents who like to make broad claims without presenting evidence. Those claims also happen to contradict available evidence.

You have provided zero evidence other than the *correlation* between Ivy attendance and private school attendance. Not causation.

I never claimed causation. Although the Forbes article makes a pretty good case as to the reasons.

You claimed that public school kids do as well or better than private school kids and did not even provide correlation.

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The evidence shows private schools are overrepresented at top colleges. 30-40% of Ivy League students come from private schools.

Thats funny because I see a ton of posts on the college forum about this private school kid and that private school kid applying for and getting denied by Harvard and Princeton, and they're instead looking at Hamilton or Bates or Notre Dame.

Being at Georgetown Visitation or Sidwell is no guarantee of future placement. Coworker of mine who is one of the practice group co chairs was bemoaning the fact that his son was having to settle for Tulane (total nix from the Ivies - despite dad's pedigree).

If you’re a Sidwell student and the best school you can get into is Tulane, you’re likely in the bottom quarter of the class. Nothing against Tulane, but the students it’s getting from Sidwell are usually not scholars (not necessarily dumb, just not hard workers).

They sent at least 8 last year to Tulane and I know for a fact that it was first choice/ ED/ only-school-they-wanted for at least 2 or 3 of them. Not bottom quarter of the class, either. You underplay the appeal of Tulane to the typical 17 YO.

Tulane used to have a reputation as a party school, but that has changed over the past twenty years. It's acceptance rate in 2006 was 45%. More recently, it's hovered around 10-12%.

I just checked SCOIR. Tulane’s published admissions rate is 15% (for the general population). It’s 44% for Sidwell students (last 4 years).

Yeah, I will pay 60k a year to increase my chances in Tulane. Makes sense.

Yeah, of course you’re jumping on Tulane and ignoring what has actually been posted about private schools and college admissions chances.

Well the discussion here is about Holton not Exeter.

The 40% of Harvard’s class that comes from private schools is much more than Andover and Exeter.

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Our DD is at private. It's not for college placement. I don't think she's the type that would thrive (or get into) a top-10 school. She'll find one in the top 50 that suits her well. We don't view private as a path to an elite college -- most people have a "hook" like they are an alum of the college, which has nothing to do with going to private. If you really want to focus on an elite college, move to a rough part of town and send your kid to a rough school where they can write about their experiences encountering drug dealers at school and the like - admissions officers like those kinds of stories.

Instead, we have ours at private because class sizes are small; her teachers all know her; and they are all easy to reach. She came to school a few weeks ago nervous about an upcoming test, and one of her counselors noticed, took her aside and talked to her, then checked in with her throughout the day.. and also emailed us to let us know.

We like that she's required to do sports and a foreign language. She'd probably not be so motivated otherwise.

We like that the school has nice facilities, like a swimming pool, modern libary, and performance theater. Oh, and much better food in the cafeteria than she got when she was at MCPS.

We like that it's a lot less likely that one of her classmates will be arrested for a violent crime; come to shoot up the school; or drug dealing, as these are less likely to happen at an all girls school. The public school she would have gone to has had numerous incidents in the past year, including hateful graffiti and kids who commandeered a vacant house across the street from school and used it to have a party with drugs.. during school hours.

For us, the cost is affordable, and what would we spend it on otherwise? We already take nice vacations, and have enough material possesions. Spending on your child's education is pretty high up there priority-wise for our family.

There's no one right or wrong choice for everyone. Visit schools and see what works best for your child.

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Holton sends, on average, 12% of its class to the Ivy League.

That’s actually not that much lower than Andover’s 15% last year.

So yeah, I’d say top DC area privates perform very close to the NE boarding schools.

Source: the class profiles from each school

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Anonymous wrote:And its funny to see all of the teeth gnashing about hawing about tuition and expenses and this and that.

Son: public school kid (FCPS), graduated magna cum laude from George Mason, graduated cum laude from Georgetown, and is now getting his PhD at Hopkins. Not bad for a 23 year old.

How much did we pay? Well nothing for high school. About $110k for four years of college (including a stint at Oxford), $40k for Georgetown (he got a partial grant), and Hopkins is free.

Oh well, the PHD is free. That shouldn't be in this conversation. My whole education in my home country was free. I also got a PhD from Ivies. It is also becoming increasingly popular to study abroad.

But is a private school all about college placement?

For many of these people it is based on the many, many posts on here that say that.

But DC is a place with industries that place a high value on credentials. And that’s what the Ivies are for these people, a credential.

In the rest of the US, credentials don’t have anywhere as a great a value. I worked for one of the largest
, most successful US companies and where one went to college made little difference.

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Anonymous wrote:And its funny to see all of the teeth gnashing about hawing about tuition and expenses and this and that.

Son: public school kid (FCPS), graduated magna cum laude from George Mason, graduated cum laude from Georgetown, and is now getting his PhD at Hopkins. Not bad for a 23 year old.

How much did we pay? Well nothing for high school. About $110k for four years of college (including a stint at Oxford), $40k for Georgetown (he got a partial grant), and Hopkins is free.

Oh well, the PHD is free. That shouldn't be in this conversation. My whole education in my home country was free. I also got a PhD from Ivies. It is also becoming increasingly popular to study abroad.

But is a private school all about college placement?

For many of these people it is based on the many, many posts on here that say that.

But DC is a place with industries that place a high value on credentials. And that’s what the Ivies are for these people, a credential.

In the rest of the US, credentials don’t have anywhere as a great a value. I worked for one of the largest
, most successful US companies and where one went to college made little difference.

The public school parents on here claim it is.

The people actually sending their kids to the school do not think it’s all about college.

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Anonymous wrote:And its funny to see all of the teeth gnashing about hawing about tuition and expenses and this and that.

Son: public school kid (FCPS), graduated magna cum laude from George Mason, graduated cum laude from Georgetown, and is now getting his PhD at Hopkins. Not bad for a 23 year old.

How much did we pay? Well nothing for high school. About $110k for four years of college (including a stint at Oxford), $40k for Georgetown (he got a partial grant), and Hopkins is free.

Oh well, the PHD is free. That shouldn't be in this conversation. My whole education in my home country was free. I also got a PhD from Ivies. It is also becoming increasingly popular to study abroad.

But is a private school all about college placement?

For many of these people it is based on the many, many posts on here that say that.

But DC is a place with industries that place a high value on credentials. And that’s what the Ivies are for these people, a credential.

In the rest of the US, credentials don’t have anywhere as a great a value. I worked for one of the largest
, most successful US companies and where one went to college made little difference.

Meh. I have been in Dc for 20 years and nobody cares where you went to college after maybe your first job.

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Anonymous wrote:And its funny to see all of the teeth gnashing about hawing about tuition and expenses and this and that.

Son: public school kid (FCPS), graduated magna cum laude from George Mason, graduated cum laude from Georgetown, and is now getting his PhD at Hopkins. Not bad for a 23 year old.

How much did we pay? Well nothing for high school. About $110k for four years of college (including a stint at Oxford), $40k for Georgetown (he got a partial grant), and Hopkins is free.

Oh well, the PHD is free. That shouldn't be in this conversation. My whole education in my home country was free. I also got a PhD from Ivies. It is also becoming increasingly popular to study abroad.

But is a private school all about college placement?

For many of these people it is based on the many, many posts on here that say that.

But DC is a place with industries that place a high value on credentials. And that’s what the Ivies are for these people, a credential.

In the rest of the US, credentials don’t have anywhere as a great a value. I worked for one of the largest
, most successful US companies and where one went to college made little difference.

Meh. I have been in Dc for 20 years and nobody cares where you went to college after maybe your first job.

And actually, in smaller places it can matter more.

If you want to be a lawyer in a more rural area, for example, going to the local law school can give you more local credibility and trust than going to Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:And its funny to see all of the teeth gnashing about hawing about tuition and expenses and this and that.

Son: public school kid (FCPS), graduated magna cum laude from George Mason, graduated cum laude from Georgetown, and is now getting his PhD at Hopkins. Not bad for a 23 year old.

How much did we pay? Well nothing for high school. About $110k for four years of college (including a stint at Oxford), $40k for Georgetown (he got a partial grant), and Hopkins is free.

Oh well, the PHD is free. That shouldn't be in this conversation. My whole education in my home country was free. I also got a PhD from Ivies. It is also becoming increasingly popular to study abroad.

But is a private school all about college placement?

For many of these people it is based on the many, many posts on here that say that.

But DC is a place with industries that place a high value on credentials. And that’s what the Ivies are for these people, a credential.

In the rest of the US, credentials don’t have anywhere as a great a value. I worked for one of the largest
, most successful US companies and where one went to college made little difference.

Meh. I have been in Dc for 20 years and nobody cares where you went to college after maybe your first job.

But if you grew up here, you get asked where you went to high school all the time!

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The evidence shows private schools are overrepresented at top colleges. 30-40% of Ivy League students come from private schools.

Thats funny because I see a ton of posts on the college forum about this private school kid and that private school kid applying for and getting denied by Harvard and Princeton, and they're instead looking at Hamilton or Bates or Notre Dame.

Being at Georgetown Visitation or Sidwell is no guarantee of future placement. Coworker of mine who is one of the practice group co chairs was bemoaning the fact that his son was having to settle for Tulane (total nix from the Ivies - despite dad's pedigree).

If you’re a Sidwell student and the best school you can get into is Tulane, you’re likely in the bottom quarter of the class. Nothing against Tulane, but the students it’s getting from Sidwell are usually not scholars (not necessarily dumb, just not hard workers).

They sent at least 8 last year to Tulane and I know for a fact that it was first choice/ ED/ only-school-they-wanted for at least 2 or 3 of them. Not bottom quarter of the class, either. You underplay the appeal of Tulane to the typical 17 YO.

Tulane used to have a reputation as a party school, but that has changed over the past twenty years. It's acceptance rate in 2006 was 45%. More recently, it's hovered around 10-12%.

I just checked SCOIR. Tulane’s published admissions rate is 15% (for the general population). It’s 44% for Sidwell students (last 4 years).

Yeah, I will pay 60k a year to increase my chances in Tulane. Makes sense.

If your child is graduating in the bottom quarter of the class, it’s a good investment. The same kid graduating from Churchill or Whitman will probably end up at Towson.

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Anonymous wrote:And its funny to see all of the teeth gnashing about hawing about tuition and expenses and this and that.

Son: public school kid (FCPS), graduated magna cum laude from George Mason, graduated cum laude from Georgetown, and is now getting his PhD at Hopkins. Not bad for a 23 year old.

How much did we pay? Well nothing for high school. About $110k for four years of college (including a stint at Oxford), $40k for Georgetown (he got a partial grant), and Hopkins is free.

Oh well, the PHD is free. That shouldn't be in this conversation. My whole education in my home country was free. I also got a PhD from Ivies. It is also becoming increasingly popular to study abroad.

But is a private school all about college placement?

For many of these people it is based on the many, many posts on here that say that.

But DC is a place with industries that place a high value on credentials. And that’s what the Ivies are for these people, a credential.

In the rest of the US, credentials don’t have anywhere as a great a value. I worked for one of the largest
, most successful US companies and where one went to college made little difference.

Meh. I have been in Dc for 20 years and nobody cares where you went to college after maybe your first job.

But if you grew up here, you get asked where you went to high school all the time!

Same thing happens when other New Yorkers find out I’m from there. This isn’t unique to the DC area.

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The evidence shows private schools are overrepresented at top colleges. 30-40% of Ivy League students come from private schools.

Thats funny because I see a ton of posts on the college forum about this private school kid and that private school kid applying for and getting denied by Harvard and Princeton, and they're instead looking at Hamilton or Bates or Notre Dame.

Being at Georgetown Visitation or Sidwell is no guarantee of future placement. Coworker of mine who is one of the practice group co chairs was bemoaning the fact that his son was having to settle for Tulane (total nix from the Ivies - despite dad's pedigree).

If you’re a Sidwell student and the best school you can get into is Tulane, you’re likely in the bottom quarter of the class. Nothing against Tulane, but the students it’s getting from Sidwell are usually not scholars (not necessarily dumb, just not hard workers).

They sent at least 8 last year to Tulane and I know for a fact that it was first choice/ ED/ only-school-they-wanted for at least 2 or 3 of them. Not bottom quarter of the class, either. You underplay the appeal of Tulane to the typical 17 YO.

But all lot these are very good schools.

I didn’t say that none of the Sidwell students wanted Tulane as their first choice. Two things can be true at the same time. I have two children in the US, and the students who tend to go to Tulane are widely known to not be high academic performers (the same with Syracuse and BC…yes, BC). I’m not saying there aren’t exceptions, but those exceptions are rare.

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The evidence shows private schools are overrepresented at top colleges. 30-40% of Ivy League students come from private schools.

Thats funny because I see a ton of posts on the college forum about this private school kid and that private school kid applying for and getting denied by Harvard and Princeton, and they're instead looking at Hamilton or Bates or Notre Dame.

Being at Georgetown Visitation or Sidwell is no guarantee of future placement. Coworker of mine who is one of the practice group co chairs was bemoaning the fact that his son was having to settle for Tulane (total nix from the Ivies - despite dad's pedigree).

If you’re a Sidwell student and the best school you can get into is Tulane, you’re likely in the bottom quarter of the class. Nothing against Tulane, but the students it’s getting from Sidwell are usually not scholars (not necessarily dumb, just not hard workers).

They sent at least 8 last year to Tulane and I know for a fact that it was first choice/ ED/ only-school-they-wanted for at least 2 or 3 of them. Not bottom quarter of the class, either. You underplay the appeal of Tulane to the typical 17 YO.

I'm from NoLa and went to Tulane. That city is very tempting to kids who had a very controlled, nurtured and protected life. I discourage my DC area friends from it. Grad school? Sure. That med school is top notch. But undergrad? Only if you can really trust your kid's ability to manage temptation or not be tempted.

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The evidence shows private schools are overrepresented at top colleges. 30-40% of Ivy League students come from private schools.

Thats funny because I see a ton of posts on the college forum about this private school kid and that private school kid applying for and getting denied by Harvard and Princeton, and they're instead looking at Hamilton or Bates or Notre Dame.

Being at Georgetown Visitation or Sidwell is no guarantee of future placement. Coworker of mine who is one of the practice group co chairs was bemoaning the fact that his son was having to settle for Tulane (total nix from the Ivies - despite dad's pedigree).

If you’re a Sidwell student and the best school you can get into is Tulane, you’re likely in the bottom quarter of the class. Nothing against Tulane, but the students it’s getting from Sidwell are usually not scholars (not necessarily dumb, just not hard workers).

They sent at least 8 last year to Tulane and I know for a fact that it was first choice/ ED/ only-school-they-wanted for at least 2 or 3 of them. Not bottom quarter of the class, either. You underplay the appeal of Tulane to the typical 17 YO.

I'm from NoLa and went to Tulane. That city is very tempting to kids who had a very controlled, nurtured and protected life. I discourage my DC area friends from it. Grad school? Sure. That med school is top notch. But undergrad? Only if you can really trust your kid's ability to manage temptation or not be tempted.

I would amend this to say that college in any city is tempting to kids who had a very controlled, nutured and protected life.

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Anonymous wrote:Our DD is at private. It's not for college placement. I don't think she's the type that would thrive (or get into) a top-10 school. She'll find one in the top 50 that suits her well. We don't view private as a path to an elite college -- most people have a "hook" like they are an alum of the college, which has nothing to do with going to private. If you really want to focus on an elite college, move to a rough part of town and send your kid to a rough school where they can write about their experiences encountering drug dealers at school and the like - admissions officers like those kinds of stories.

Instead, we have ours at private because class sizes are small; her teachers all know her; and they are all easy to reach. She came to school a few weeks ago nervous about an upcoming test, and one of her counselors noticed, took her aside and talked to her, then checked in with her throughout the day.. and also emailed us to let us know.

We like that she's required to do sports and a foreign language. She'd probably not be so motivated otherwise.

We like that the school has nice facilities, like a swimming pool, modern libary, and performance theater. Oh, and much better food in the cafeteria than she got when she was at MCPS.

We like that it's a lot less likely that one of her classmates will be arrested for a violent crime; come to shoot up the school; or drug dealing, as these are less likely to happen at an all girls school. The public school she would have gone to has had numerous incidents in the past year, including hateful graffiti and kids who commandeered a vacant house across the street from school and used it to have a party with drugs.. during school hours.

For us, the cost is affordable, and what would we spend it on otherwise? We already take nice vacations, and have enough material possesions. Spending on your child's education is pretty high up there priority-wise for our family.

There's no one right or wrong choice for everyone. Visit schools and see what works best for your child.

You just described by our daughter goes to Holton perfectly.