Ivy outcomes are often just, well, average

[Anonymous]

Social media and rankings have done a great job of marketing certain schools.

[Anonymous]

Yes, quite true in my circle.

[Anonymous]

Doesn’t the experience itself count more? Why is your education defined by job/career outcomes?

[Anonymous]

All...remember that 50%+ of all Ivy league students are attending for free or nearly free. This affords them the ability to pursue whatever career they want.

In fact, the UMC students are more likely to pursue the PE/Banking/VC/MBB/Hedge Fund jobs.

[Anonymous]

Ivies have always been primarily for the wealthy, athletes and nepos. If you are not one of those with a ivy degree, it's just a degree same as from State U.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have met multiple ivy degree holders working jobs in high school education, middling research depts, "self employed" scrapping by. Sure there are some high profile ivy leaguers but in the end many end up in same jobs as middling t200 degree holders.

Totally!!! What kind of a loser goes to an Ivy League school!

I'd rather DIE than be a HS teacher or something so horrible middling!!!!!

You showed them.

[Anonymous]

It's all about the Ivy connections, forget the degree. That is why lax bros do so well out of these schools even though most would never get in on academic merit. Their athlete etwork is very tight and widespread.

The grinder who is holed up all 4 years but never networks usually finds out the degree was not worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivies have always been primarily for the wealthy, athletes and nepos. If you are not one of those with a ivy degree, it's just a degree same as from State U.

Posts like this are using assumptions based on the Ivies from 30 years ago when the typical student was a nicely UMC kid from a nice UMC family living in a nice UMC suburb, who probably represented 60% of the student body, with 20% very connected, whether rich families or super connected quasi famous professional parents, and 20% on full financial aid first Gen/URM. Outcomes from those years skew the middle as the input, so to speak, came out from the middle. The outcome from that bottom 20% is really all over the place, some went on to do incredibly well, using the Ivy degree as a ticket. Others did not.

These days the Ivies are closer to an bimorphoc model, you are either rich/connected full tuition or first gen/URM. I do think this implies the average outcome going forward will dip somewhat as the trajectory of the bottom 50% is more unpredictable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ivies have always been primarily for the wealthy, athletes and nepos. If you are not one of those with a ivy degree, it's just a degree same as from State U.

Spot on.

[Anonymous]

There was a study years ago that found that most Ivy grads have the same jobs as non-Ivy grads.

My takeaway was that Ivies are worth it if you want to go into a high earning field, but not worth student loans if you're aiming for a regular job. Of course if you get FA then it's worth it regardless of career plans.

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Anonymous wrote:Dunno but damn if Harvard didn't but the beat down on Syracuse last weekend (lax).

Blind squirrels find an acorn every now and then.

[Anonymous]

College outcomes are often just, well, average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dunno but damn if Harvard didn't but the beat down on Syracuse last weekend (lax).

Blind squirrels find an acorn every now and then.

Cornell was the D1 champ last year...this year, Cornell is ranked #3, Harvard #6 (Syracuse #7), Princeton #10, and Penn #19.

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Anonymous wrote:This is not true. I have never met any family doctor who is an ivy graduate, undergrad or med school. They almost all ended up in some specialties or surgeons.

I do. I know a single practice which has pediatricians who did their undergrad at Yale, Stanford, and Northwestern. Their med schools anre equally impressive.

[Anonymous]

Life is all about your network.

Figure out what kind of kid you have. Will they do best if a network is handed to them on a platter, or are they scrappy enough to go and make one themselves?

Mine both are the former. Doing well at Ivy and a T10.