China's GENIUS schools. How gifted programs have leapfrogged China to overtake USA as the world's superpower

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lack of gifted programs isn’t the problem in the US. It’s the integration of classrooms with kids that are unable to learn and retain grade level material at the the appropriate pace for whatever reason, be it learning disability, low IQ, or behavioral problems. There needs to be separate classrooms for these kids where their needs can be met without sacrificing the learning of all the other kids capable of learning far more at a faster pace.

Its both. Lack of gifted programs and lack of seperate classroom for kids with the problems listed above.

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile:

- NYC completely demolished its Gifted and Talented programs for middle and HS; Mandani is pushing that even further by eliminating GATE programs in elementary.

Progressive Seattle followed suit.

California banned any public school student from taking algebra prior to 9th grade.

Progressives in the U.S. hate education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile:

- NYC completely demolished its Gifted and Talented programs for middle and HS; Mandani is pushing that even further by eliminating GATE programs in elementary.

Progressive Seattle followed Massachusetts consistently ranks #1 in NAEP math assessments. Other high-performing states include New Jersey, Connecticut, and New Hampshire. NYC has plenty of options for the students who want to excel in a certain field with magnet schools, exam schools and scholarships at the many private schools. GATE programs are not needed and waste valuable resources.

You should try and learn the facts before putting up stupid statements. We even have test results on math, English, science to compare various states.

Massachusetts consistently ranks #1 in NAEP math assessments. Other high-performing states include New Jersey, Connecticut, and New Hampshire.

The lowest performing states consistently in the bottom 10 based on rest results are New Mexico, Alabama, Oklahoma, Mississippi, West Virginia.

Even now red states are twisting into pretzels to take recent test results and make it look like Mississippi and other Southern states are really the top performers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Very smart. I went to a top gifted high school. It’s incredible the things my classmates have accomplished. I’m not sure why we’re only supporting the bottom students when the top students will be the future innovators, doctors and businessmen.

Oh here we go, the “I went to a top gifted high school”. Whatever that even means. You can’t fill a local school with truly gifted kids because the kids are scattered throughout the country.

If the US followed China’s plan the federal government would create a state of the art residential high school where the best from all over the country would attend.

But we aren’t China. It’s like how most communist countries used to be when they took the best Olympians and removed them from the family at a young age to train full time. Same with ballet and music. Same with the sciences.

Chinese gifted schools are local. Think of Stuyvesant or TJHSST. The boarding is because they require students to study all day due to the zero sum Gaokao process, not because they recruit from all over the country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good for them. These days it's common for top Chinese students in 4th-6th grade to take the AMC 8 and do well. This level of performance in math is necessary to enter the top selective junior high schools and be in the running for these sorts of programs.

There are American kids taking the AMC 8 in those grade levels and doing well on it.

Yes indeed. Unfortunately US public schools don't recognize/care about this sort of achievement whereas in China that sort of accomplishment can help you get in to highly selective schools (or special classes within their local schools) where these kids can be taught at their level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Chinese education system really were great, there would not be so many PRC students desperately trying to study in Australia, Europe, and North America.

If Chinese home-grown technology were great, they would not be spending $MM annually to steal intellectual property from businesses in other countries.

If Chinese political system were great, there would not he so many Chinese desperately trying to emigrate to Australia, Europe, and North America.

Don't buy into the PRC propaganda that gets posted to DCUM. And don't feed the trolls.

PRC students want to leave because their economy is not as good as those of the western countries they wish to emigrate to. That's not unique to China - plenty of people from Africa and Southeast Asia do as well. The fact that Chinese people are so much more successful at this is a testament to their abilities and education system (at least at the top end). In particular, look at the profiles of STEM PhD students at top US universities - of those who went to school outside the US, the majority are from China.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you believe any news from China? I don’t.

It’s easy enough to believe. It doesn’t even start until they are teens. I wouldn’t be surprised if they whisked ten year olds away to secret locations removing the ones who couldn’t handle the pressure and they go home as failures as children.

+1. Young children are identified by a rubric around the age of 5 or 6, separated from their families, then groomed to be super nerds. They do this with their athletic system, why not academics? Gifted programs have never had anything to do with US economic and military hegemony.

They are not "separated from their families" at 5 or 6. Maybe some rural families send their kids to study in the city, but that's not the usual route.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lack of gifted programs isn’t the problem in the US. It’s the integration of classrooms with kids that are unable to learn and retain grade level material at the the appropriate pace for whatever reason, be it learning disability, low IQ, or behavioral problems. There needs to be separate classrooms for these kids where their needs can be met without sacrificing the learning of all the other kids capable of learning far more at a faster pace.

Is that not exactly what a self-contained gifted program would do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Chinese education system really were great, there would not be so many PRC students desperately trying to study in Australia, Europe, and North America.

If Chinese home-grown technology were great, they would not be spending $MM annually to steal intellectual property from businesses in other countries.

If Chinese political system were great, there would not he so many Chinese desperately trying to emigrate to Australia, Europe, and North America.

Don't buy into the PRC propaganda that gets posted to DCUM. And don't feed the trolls.

They're trying to leave for better economic prospects, mainly. But recently that's dropped both due to US restrictions and more elite options within China, at least at the undergrad level in STEM. Top AI companies might not be paying as much as top AI companies in the US, but the relative accessibility makes up for it.

As for IP...
https://electrek.co/2025/03/19/chinese-authorities-delay-approval-byd-ev-plant-mexico-fears-tech-leaking-us/

No one has said anything good about the PRC's authoritarian regime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you believe any news from China? I don’t.

It’s easy enough to believe. It doesn’t even start until they are teens. I wouldn’t be surprised if they whisked ten year olds away to secret locations removing the ones who couldn’t handle the pressure and they go home as failures as children.

+1. Young children are identified by a rubric around the age of 5 or 6, separated from their families, then groomed to be super nerds. They do this with their athletic system, why not academics? Gifted programs have never had anything to do with US economic and military hegemony.

They are not "separated from their families" at 5 or 6. Maybe some rural families send their kids to study in the city, but that's not the usual route.

The old Soviet Union had scouts searching the whole country for talent under age 9. There were state gyms and they found talented 6 year old for their gymnastics program and maybe a little older with ballet. They would bring them to an elite training full time program. And they were truly elite, not just throwing the word around for marketing purposes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you believe any news from China? I don’t.

It’s easy enough to believe. It doesn’t even start until they are teens. I wouldn’t be surprised if they whisked ten year olds away to secret locations removing the ones who couldn’t handle the pressure and they go home as failures as children.

+1. Young children are identified by a rubric around the age of 5 or 6, separated from their families, then groomed to be super nerds. They do this with their athletic system, why not academics? Gifted programs have never had anything to do with US economic and military hegemony.

They are not "separated from their families" at 5 or 6. Maybe some rural families send their kids to study in the city, but that's not the usual route.

The old Soviet Union had scouts searching the whole country for talent under age 9. There were state gyms and they found talented 6 year old for their gymnastics program and maybe a little older with ballet. They would bring them to an elite training full time program. And they were truly elite, not just throwing the word around for marketing purposes.

The above comment is talking about Chinese academics, not soviet athletics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you believe any news from China? I don’t.

It’s easy enough to believe. It doesn’t even start until they are teens. I wouldn’t be surprised if they whisked ten year olds away to secret locations removing the ones who couldn’t handle the pressure and they go home as failures as children.

+1. Young children are identified by a rubric around the age of 5 or 6, separated from their families, then groomed to be super nerds. They do this with their athletic system, why not academics? Gifted programs have never had anything to do with US economic and military hegemony.

Gifted programs have always been useless in elementary school. By 7th or 8th grade some rise to the top.

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Studies show that early acceleration for gifted kids is generally good for academic development with no harmful side effects.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While US is dismantling our education system and villifying magnet schools - check out how China is systematically grooming thousands of gifted children so that they can excel in global Science, Math competions and build new tech and AI.

https://www.ft.com/content/68f60392-88bf-419c-96c7-c3d580ec9d97?accessToken=zwAGScVIydYgkc9o9gOSiL9BnNOWx8PVgOydlw.MEUCICIc0EAjdeLi-CrNOVFuYeTzJeBfLLpPiZKf9YLg1sG9AiEAjoywK6jMAFkDpShErp4dNuTfJ8E8b8NakfGgcRP62J0&sharetype=gift&token=fbc63f5c-bccf-435b-b049-5dc1430863d5

https://www.ft.com/content/68f60392-88bf-419c-96c7-c3d580ec9d97

Read and WEEP!!!

Wonderful. The Chinese should stay there and stop moving here. Win-win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you believe any news from China? I don’t.

I mean -- you're not wrong.

China has talent, but they have even more loud shouty voices who only promote the Party line. Nothing out of China is reliable.

Might change in a hundred years. Hope so.

[Anonymous]

PRC games the PISA tests by only letting highly selective top schools participate.

European and North American and several other Asia/Pacific countries (e.g., Singapore) do not game the PISA tests that way.

It is another example of how everything in China is fake.