China's GENIUS schools. How gifted programs have leapfrogged China to overtake USA as the world's superpower

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Anonymous wrote:PRC games the PISA tests by only letting highly selective top schools participate.

European and North American and several other Asia/Pacific countries (e.g., Singapore) do not game the PISA tests that way.

It is another example of how everything in China is fake.

Shanghai alone is the population of Australia. That's a huge number of kids getting an extremely good education despite being poorer than US students.

Most kids in Shanghai do NOT get a good education. Access to the few places at really good schools are reserved for the CCP elites. Many kids born in Shanghai lack the needed paperwork (houkou) to attend any school. Stop being a shill for the CCP.

PISA scores are not based on only the elite Shanghai schools, are they?

CCP "selects" only a handful of elite schools to be allowed to take PISA tests to game the outcome. This has been very widely reported. Other countries do not engage in such gaming.

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We don’t need any more tech bros in the world!

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Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

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Maybe these gifted and talented kids should be pulled out of classes and take emotionally IQ classes. A lot of the kids who score high on academically score low emotionally. Tech Bros are the perfect example of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

So dumb. It's no secret that most gifted kids have at least one gifted parent. So their "gifted and talented" program starts at home regardless of their grades at school. However, there is a population of gifted kids that don't have the at-home opportunity but they absolutely deserve to be taught to their level at school. School taxes should be distributed equally. If other services need to be administered, a separated budget needs to be authorized and taken from health and welfare or social services. That's equity.

And after looking them up, both of Einstein's parents were intelligent. His mom was a pianist and his dad was an electrical engineer. Obviously that's not the reason he was a genius but the brain stimulation that he received as a child would not have been inconsequential.

Da Vinci is just a stupid example. People born in that time were born into a class or occupation with little hope for vertical mobility. With arts being the one exception thankfully for Leonardo. His father seemed to be smart based upon his occupation but he probably didn't have many other options.

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Anonymous wrote:Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

Is this a joke? In da Vince's time children who were lucky enough to be educated at all had private tutors. No one was being crammed into a public classroom.
I don’t know about Einstein but if he got Cs I’m sure it was because he was bored to death. Is that what you want for gifted kids?
-Mom of two non-gifted kids who just has empathy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

Is this a joke? In da Vince's time children who were lucky enough to be educated at all had private tutors. No one was being crammed into a public classroom.
I don’t know about Einstein but if he got Cs I’m sure it was because he was bored to death. Is that what you want for gifted kids?
-Mom of two non-gifted kids who just has empathy

I’m just a mom who has been bored to death listening to other parents go on and on and on and on about their “gifted” kids. It’s tiresome listening to these parents humble brag (my kid is bored in school because he/she is so gifted) all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

So dumb. It's no secret that most gifted kids have at least one gifted parent. So their "gifted and talented" program starts at home regardless of their grades at school. However, there is a population of gifted kids that don't have the at-home opportunity but they absolutely deserve to be taught to their level at school. School taxes should be distributed equally. If other services need to be administered, a separated budget needs to be authorized and taken from health and welfare or social services. That's equity.

And after looking them up, both of Einstein's parents were intelligent. His mom was a pianist and his dad was an electrical engineer. Obviously that's not the reason he was a genius but the brain stimulation that he received as a child would not have been inconsequential.

Da Vinci is just a stupid example. People born in that time were born into a class or occupation with little hope for vertical mobility. With arts being the one exception thankfully for Leonardo. His father seemed to be smart based upon his occupation but he probably didn't have many other options.

My point is gifted people will not let lack of a good education get in the way of their success. I heard a noble laureate give a lecture once and this noble laureate was homeless as a child due to his parents being killed in the Holocaust. If you look at the stars of the world throughout history, most had pretty average educations as a child. Bill
Clinton is probably a genius and he is from a tiny town in Arkansas. I doubt his education was that stellar until he got to Georgetown and he was even able to find Boys Nation in Arkansas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

Is this a joke? In da Vince's time children who were lucky enough to be educated at all had private tutors. No one was being crammed into a public classroom.
I don’t know about Einstein but if he got Cs I’m sure it was because he was bored to death. Is that what you want for gifted kids?
-Mom of two non-gifted kids who just has empathy

I doubt Einstein was bored in class. He probably sat there in class and did mental math that me, you, and his teacher would not be able to comprehend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

So dumb. It's no secret that most gifted kids have at least one gifted parent. So their "gifted and talented" program starts at home regardless of their grades at school. However, there is a population of gifted kids that don't have the at-home opportunity but they absolutely deserve to be taught to their level at school. School taxes should be distributed equally. If other services need to be administered, a separated budget needs to be authorized and taken from health and welfare or social services. That's equity.

And after looking them up, both of Einstein's parents were intelligent. His mom was a pianist and his dad was an electrical engineer. Obviously that's not the reason he was a genius but the brain stimulation that he received as a child would not have been inconsequential.

Da Vinci is just a stupid example. People born in that time were born into a class or occupation with little hope for vertical mobility. With arts being the one exception thankfully for Leonardo. His father seemed to be smart based upon his occupation but he probably didn't have many other options.

My point is gifted people will not let lack of a good education get in the way of their success. I heard a noble laureate give a lecture once and this noble laureate was homeless as a child due to his parents being killed in the Holocaust. If you look at the stars of the world throughout history, most had pretty average educations as a child. Bill
Clinton is probably a genius and he is from a tiny town in Arkansas. I doubt his education was that stellar until he got to Georgetown and he was even able to find Boys Nation in Arkansas.

That is exactly what standardized tests were supposed to do.. find diamonds in the rough (I.e. high IQ kids in inhospitable environments.) now that those scores are either ignored or part of “holistic admissions” parents have to make their kids look better with stuff like gifted programs.
In the past they could trust that a truly promising student would be identified by that score.
Insanely enough, back in the 60s kids got actual IQ tests administered at school. My mom’s IQ was 110 and her parents were told she was “not college material but should go to a business school.” Useful advice…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

Is this a joke? In da Vince's time children who were lucky enough to be educated at all had private tutors. No one was being crammed into a public classroom.
I don’t know about Einstein but if he got Cs I’m sure it was because he was bored to death. Is that what you want for gifted kids?
-Mom of two non-gifted kids who just has empathy

I doubt Einstein was bored in class. He probably sat there in class and did mental math that me, you, and his teacher would not be able to comprehend.

Einstein himself writes about being incredibly bored in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Leonardo Da Vinci was not in a Gifted and Talented program. And didn’t Albert Einstein get Cs as a kid? Gifted and Talented programs are more for the fragile egos of parents than to help kids.

So dumb. It's no secret that most gifted kids have at least one gifted parent. So their "gifted and talented" program starts at home regardless of their grades at school. However, there is a population of gifted kids that don't have the at-home opportunity but they absolutely deserve to be taught to their level at school. School taxes should be distributed equally. If other services need to be administered, a separated budget needs to be authorized and taken from health and welfare or social services. That's equity.

And after looking them up, both of Einstein's parents were intelligent. His mom was a pianist and his dad was an electrical engineer. Obviously that's not the reason he was a genius but the brain stimulation that he received as a child would not have been inconsequential.

Da Vinci is just a stupid example. People born in that time were born into a class or occupation with little hope for vertical mobility. With arts being the one exception thankfully for Leonardo. His father seemed to be smart based upon his occupation but he probably didn't have many other options.

My point is gifted people will not let lack of a good education get in the way of their success. I heard a noble laureate give a lecture once and this noble laureate was homeless as a child due to his parents being killed in the Holocaust. If you look at the stars of the world throughout history, most had pretty average educations as a child. Bill
Clinton is probably a genius and he is from a tiny town in Arkansas. I doubt his education was that stellar until he got to Georgetown and he was even able to find Boys Nation in Arkansas.

That is exactly what standardized tests were supposed to do.. find diamonds in the rough (I.e. high IQ kids in inhospitable environments.) now that those scores are either ignored or part of “holistic admissions” parents have to make their kids look better with stuff like gifted programs.
In the past they could trust that a truly promising student would be identified by that score.
Insanely enough, back in the 60s kids got actual IQ tests administered at school. My mom’s IQ was 110 and her parents were told she was “not college material but should go to a business school.” Useful advice…

Business schools are in college though