Elite law and Big law

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Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

I’m the one this idiot/snob says never worked in Biglaw but now I think I get what he’s saying—that he “thinks” that the Fordham grads that the big New York firms are hiring along with the Columbia grads are getting shittier assignments from the get go. Or something like that. And he has zero way of knowing that or ever proving it.

Hi Fordham grad

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Anonymous wrote:Antonin Scalia Law School at GMU is where all the Federalist and MAGA actions are these days. Some fairly recent JD grads with the right connections have placed extremely well in current administration.

Current administration maybe.

False. GMU has been doing very well with federal clerkships for the past ten years. It has snagged five SCOTUS clerkships, only one of which could be said recent Trump.

+1. Even in 2023, (not Trumpers), GMU was recognized as a big federal to federal clerkships. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/these-law-schools-dominated-federal-clerk-hiring-market-2023-2024-04-25/

Just so we’re clear, when you say 5 you mean 5 EVER, which is nice but nothing worth throwing a party over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

I’m the one this idiot/snob says never worked in Biglaw but now I think I get what he’s saying—that he “thinks” that the Fordham grads that the big New York firms are hiring along with the Columbia grads are getting shittier assignments from the get go. Or something like that. And he has zero way of knowing that or ever proving it.

Hi Fordham grad

Hardly. I couldn’t even find it on a map. But let’s be serious—it’s a highly regarded law school that has long punched above its weight in NYC and everybody with an ounce of knowledge of how law schools go knows this. You’re just all so damned snobby and pull shit straight out of your asses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

Right? You can still charge a high hourly rate for "contract review." This is what transactional work is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

Right? You can still charge a high hourly rate for "contract review." This is what transactional work is.

DP but actually the snide biglaw people are wrong here. “Contract reviewer” is a common euphemism for doc review monkey. You guys don’t know bc you’ve *only* done biglaw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

Depends on the practice. I know a lot of IP lawyers from Fordham in biglaw.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a little easier to get into Big Law from a T14, but there are still a great number of #15-50 law schools represented. I graduated from a non-coastal law school traditionally ranked in the 15-20 range and had offers from Cravath, Skadden, Gibson Dunn, and a couple other big firms. I had good grades and was on law review, but I wasn't a superstar.

If you were on law review, you were top of your class. I doubt your classmates who were lower ranked got hired out of law school into biglaw. I went to a top 14 law school. Nearly everyone who wanted a job in biglaw got one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

NP here. I have worked in biglaw. I have definitely heard of document review. Never heard of contract review, but then I only did litigation. Is contract review a thing in corporate/transactional work?

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you think the Yale, Harvard and Stanford grads go after their clerkships? Elite govt jobs are mostly a nonstarter right now, and there are only so many academic positions. Most end up in BigLaw or comparable boutiques.

Not true at DOJ, specifically OLC and not true White House general counsel’s office. Those have been, and continue to be “the elite law govt jobs”, as you put it.

Ick. Gross.

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OP, there is no such thing as “elite law” as you are using the phrase. I went to Harvard and just double checked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where do you think the Yale, Harvard and Stanford grads go after their clerkships? Elite govt jobs are mostly a nonstarter right now, and there are only so many academic positions. Most end up in BigLaw or comparable boutiques.

Not true at DOJ, specifically OLC and not true White House general counsel’s office. Those have been, and continue to be “the elite law govt jobs”, as you put it.

Ick. Gross.

What is wrong with you? What an insipid response

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's a little easier to get into Big Law from a T14, but there are still a great number of #15-50 law schools represented. I graduated from a non-coastal law school traditionally ranked in the 15-20 range and had offers from Cravath, Skadden, Gibson Dunn, and a couple other big firms. I had good grades and was on law review, but I wasn't a superstar.

If you were on law review, you were top of your class. I doubt your classmates who were lower ranked got hired out of law school into biglaw. I went to a top 14 law school. Nearly everyone who wanted a job in biglaw got one.

Good lord. Bully for you and your law school, I guess.

Anyhow, loads of my classmates landed jobs at big coastal firms, although perhaps not all at the whitest of white shoe ones. I’m guessing that they were generally in the top half of the class though. FWIW, I chose my law school over a few T14 options because it was cheaper and I preferred the school itself. No regrets.

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For the last 30 years, the apex predator of “big law” has been a GW Grad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

You’re wrong about Fordham. OP is clearly talking specifically about NYC. Fordham law has a good name and good placement in NYC Biglaw. They’re not doing contract work. They’re getting the same associate jobs as the Columbia grads, just not as many.

You obviously never went to law school. Contract review work is not equivalent to contract worker. You also never worked at a big law, in whatever capacity.

I suspect that neither of you have worked I Biglaw if you use the term "contract review" when you mean "document review" for discovery.

NP here. I have worked in biglaw. I have definitely heard of document review. Never heard of contract review, but then I only did litigation. Is contract review a thing in corporate/transactional work?

If you did litigation, you've reviewed a contract. And charged .8 for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown used to be T14.

Also don't forget about Notre Dame, we have a SCOTUS from ND.

Fordham grads probably do a lot of contract review at the big law. Not the same as Columbia grads. Completely different tracks.

Depends on the practice. I know a lot of IP lawyers from Fordham in biglaw.

I know several Fordham grads who are partners at top firms, including Skadden, doing M &A and securities law among other things.