What was your child's experience with differentiation, if any? |
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4th grade is when kids personalities shift- some kids mature faster and some don’t. Kids also stop liking the same things and want to do different things.
Happens all over the country Having friends at different schools and different parts of the city is logistically hard when they are little. But it’s normal. I work in an office, I don’t interact w the same people every day, same friends every night . |
We've had the same experience. A couple people in the class have left our EOTP school but going into first grade the class is remarkably in tact and has also had multiple families turn down WOTP and also DCI feeders. |
This is easy to do in 1st grade. It willl be a different story in 4th grade as middle school becomes a reality. |
+1 this can be done by people with enough money for private middle school. |
Are you going to the feeder for middle school? |
PP here who asked for the AMA. Here are my questions (would be interested in answers from anyone with a child who actually had a kid go all the way through 4th or 5th grade at a title I school): 1) Were you able to make “family friends” via your kids school (where the kids were friends and the parents were friends) despite race/class/cultural differences? If yes, can you offer any tips on how to make that happen? If no, did you miss this? 2) Did your school have a lot of Spanish speaking families? Did your kid become friends with those kids? If so, how did you navigate the language barrier with those parents? 3) Did you talk to your kid about the racial differences at his school? About racism? About the dynamics of being the only white kid in the class? If so, at what age(s)? Did you bring it up or did they? Did they seem to notice or care? We’re there every any hiccups around being the only (or one of a very few) white kids? I know that’s a lot - happy to also provide a burner email or something if you’d rather talk directly. The bolded are honestly my biggest questions. We’re in a situation where I’ve ended up friends/friendly with mostly the white/UMC families, and they are leaving at high rates, and I’m not having a lot of luck bonding with the families of color (despite my efforts). The language barrier has been huge, plus just some unexpected differences (ex: aftercare is dominated by white families, which I wouldn’t have guessed, some black families are housing insecure and move often, there seems to be less of a culture of scheduling time in advance to get together to play. Even weird things like the white families are all at the pool from 10 or 11 to 1 and the black families are there more in like the 2-6 window). I’m sure a lot of this is a skill issue on my part, and I want to do better and learn but I’m struggling a bit and don’t want my kids to be left out due to my own social limitations/awkwardness. Oh and if you haven’t been at a title 1 through 4/5, please don’t respond. I myself was HORRIFIED when I asked the neighbor with a kid a little older if she knew a lot of the parents at the school (when my kids were toddlers) and she said “sure, all the white parents” and now that I’ve lived it, I’m seeing how that happens and how hard it is to swim against that tide. |
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PP to add a question 4:
As neighbor friends moved to different schools, but remained in the neighborhood, did you stay in touch? Did your kids stay friends? Or did they drift to pretty much exclusively friends at their school? |
Yes, we are. |
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Are you going to the feeder for middle school?
Yes, we are. Which one? |
1) yes, we made a number of good friends who might come to our house and a number of people who’ll I’ll text with and say hi to, but don’t intentionally spend time together. It took time and effort. As my kid got to be friends with their kids, I’d lean into play dates, and then invite the parent in for a beverage when they’d come pick up their kid. Honestly, I did feel suspicion at times from some Black families as I put myself out there, but some of those same people that (from my vantage point) seemed the least interested in being friendly initially are now good friends. If your school has sports teams, I’ve also found that has been a way to get to know more parents I wouldn’t otherwise. Field trips are another place where more parents show up. It is just a lot of putting yourself out there and being intentional about seeking out the non-white parents at school events. But, for me, I’ve really valued those friendships, and as trust was built, I’ve had some very direct conversations (and worked hard to really listen) about race with those Black parents that I have learned a lot from. 2) we don’t have a big non-English speaking population at our school 3) I’ve had a lot of conversations with my kid about race. I’ve done my best to talk about systemic issues and barriers and how that shows up in our neighborhood and at school. I’m really proud of how my kid thinks about these issues now (and that has evolved over time as they’ve gotten older). My child has two other white students in their classroom, so they’ve never been the only one. 4) we have stayed friends with families who’ve left, but it’s definitely never the same. I’m curious to see how dynamics change between the kids that are going to the feeder MS next year and the kids in the neighborhood who are at charters. It’s been fine during this 5th grade year, but I wonder if that will also drift over time. |
PP here. Thank you SO much. I really appreciate this response and a lot of this is really helpful (especially #1). Regarding talking to your kid about race - do you have any resources you recommend here? Around what age did this start? My kids are in PK and Kinder and the systemic barriers stuff just seems too complex for them to understand at this point? But maybe I’m just not thinking about it right. They have a couple of books on race and racism that we’ve read but it doesn’t seem like enough (nor does it feel very personal). As it stands now, they both will be the only white kids in their classes next year (we just got the lists) which is why this is so top of mind for me right now. Also for those asking for the middle school - if this person answers, they’re likely narrowing their identity down to like fewer than 10 families. That’s asking a lot! |
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Your class lists may change quite a bit between now and then.
As kids get older, they can maintain a strong friendship perfectly well during the school day and they don't need their parents to befriend the other parents. It's age-appropriate to let them manage this. So no worries. |
I'm the PP with the teen, who attended our IB elementary and middle. I'll note that the "differences" between the kids included a mix of racial, cultural, immigration status, language, economic, learning differences, etc. My kid made friends easily with kids with all of those differences. 1. Adult/family friendships from school tended to be mostly exchanging phone numbers (usually each in each other's contacts only as "X's mom"), maybe following each other on social media to love posts, etc. Only a tiny handful of families became friends to the level of socializing outside of school events, and those families moved out of the area. 2. Yes, many Spanish-speaking families, and my kid made friends with them. For the parents I interacted with, again the social media mentioned above, and texting using Google Translate. And the universal language of cheering together on the sidelines! 3. In Pk4, my kid asked why their skin was different from everyone else's. I replied that, yeah, their skin might be lighter, but I bet their friends also liked XYZ activities, ABC foods, they were caring and liked school, etc. Kid agreed. It came up once or twice more in early elementary but passed quickly after similar conversations. There was an instance at school with another kid using a racial slur toward mine, but the staff shut that down right away and said they'd been having other issues with said kid. In later elementary, my kid commented that, "in olden times, my friends wouldn't be allowed to play on the same playground with me," and they felt sad about that. We should all be so lucky to internalize injustice and inequity so young; it's easier than how we are now often unlearning unconscious bias. In middle, my kid selected Spanish as their language specifically so they could better communicate with friends and teammates. They also *loved* going on outings with another family because that mom "makes THE BEST FOOD," and would spend hours in the kitchen trying to recreate dishes other friends brought for lunch (particularly West African). If you'll post a burner email, I'm happy to reach out. Like the articulate PP who prompted this discussion, I've felt these experiences have had a huge impact on our whole family and on our community, and I do think about it a lot. |
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