What happened to Moderate Dems VA/MD?

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, in reality, there are so few extreme left politicians on the left. It's just that right has gone soooooo right anything the other way starts to look extreme.

Certainly, there is no preponderance of extreme organized, far ideology on the left as there is in MAGA and the Republican party as a whole.

This made me lol. You are delusional. The far left has as many and is as extreme as the far right. Each side grows proportionately to the conflicting extremism. Basically, extremism breeds more extremism. On both sides. It will only get worse.

This analysis is badly missing a "power" lens. Yes, there exist extreme leftists and extreme right wingers, but the extreme leftists very rarely hold state or national office. That's why you always get this analysis that looks like "An Oberlin sophomore said bahn mi is cultural appropriation" being presented alongside "President of the United States Donald J Trump (GOP) repeated white supremacist talking points today from the Oval Office, claiming that Haitians eat dogs."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is you (general) want a moderate dem to be what republicans were before the tea party and MAGA.

What you call "unhinged" is what the party should be standing for instead of chasing the right to catch voters like you.

This.

I grew up in a Republican family. The modern Democratic party is closer to the old school Repubs, than the MAGA or Tea Party types. They aren't extreme to me, and seem really moderate.

Right wing outlets will claim absurd stuff like "they want 3rd trimester abortions for all!" or "they want gender changes for 5 year olds!" but that's total BS. No Democrat is remotely arguing those kinds of things.

FYI I voted for Hashemi today.

Exactly. The educated, moderate Rs I know from the 90s are all Ds now.

I think they may vote D because this area is controlled by Ds so they want a say in who gets elected, but IMO, moderate Rs are probably Independents.

-former R, moderate, who is now Independent but registered as a D so I can have a say in the primaries.

This is me. Can we please just get a normal person in office who isn't a scumbag that hates immigrants and women, doesn't wear identity politics on their sleeves and isn't trying to destroy capitalism or the so-called "wealthy" (aka dual income earners).

So....just about every D candidate.

[Anonymous]

From my perspective, both parties are unhinged and both have become too extreme.

If either one would nominate a moderate who will sidestep/avoid the whole culture war mess, I would quickly vote for that candidate.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is you (general) want a moderate dem to be what republicans were before the tea party and MAGA.

What you call "unhinged" is what the party should be standing for instead of chasing the right to catch voters like you.

This.

I grew up in a Republican family. The modern Democratic party is closer to the old school Repubs, than the MAGA or Tea Party types. They aren't extreme to me, and seem really moderate.

Right wing outlets will claim absurd stuff like "they want 3rd trimester abortions for all!" or "they want gender changes for 5 year olds!" but that's total BS. No Democrat is remotely arguing those kinds of things.

FYI I voted for Hashemi today.

Exactly. The educated, moderate Rs I know from the 90s are all Ds now.

I think they may vote D because this area is controlled by Ds so they want a say in who gets elected, but IMO, moderate Rs are probably Independents.

-former R, moderate, who is now Independent but registered as a D so I can have a say in the primaries.

This is me. Can we please just get a normal person in office who isn't a scumbag that hates immigrants and women, doesn't wear identity politics on their sleeves and isn't trying to destroy capitalism or the so-called "wealthy" (aka dual income earners).

So....just about every D candidate.

Ask a Democrat to explain what a woman is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, in reality, there are so few extreme left politicians on the left. It's just that right has gone soooooo right anything the other way starts to look extreme.

Certainly, there is no preponderance of extreme organized, far ideology on the left as there is in MAGA and the Republican party as a whole.

This made me lol. You are delusional. The far left has as many and is as extreme as the far right. Each side grows proportionately to the conflicting extremism. Basically, extremism breeds more extremism. On both sides. It will only get worse.

This analysis is badly missing a "power" lens. Yes, there exist extreme leftists and extreme right wingers, but the extreme leftists very rarely hold state or national office. That's why you always get this analysis that looks like "An Oberlin sophomore said bahn mi is cultural appropriation" being presented alongside "President of the United States Donald J Trump (GOP) repeated white supremacist talking points today from the Oval Office, claiming that Haitians eat dogs."

Progressives have taken over moco. To a moderate, a progressive is on the extreme side. They may not be as extreme as maga but they are not moderate. People like op, me *former R), my spouse (dem) are looking for moderates.

I lol'd at the balm mi quip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is you (general) want a moderate dem to be what republicans were before the tea party and MAGA.

What you call "unhinged" is what the party should be standing for instead of chasing the right to catch voters like you.

This.

I grew up in a Republican family. The modern Democratic party is closer to the old school Repubs, than the MAGA or Tea Party types. They aren't extreme to me, and seem really moderate.

Right wing outlets will claim absurd stuff like "they want 3rd trimester abortions for all!" or "they want gender changes for 5 year olds!" but that's total BS. No Democrat is remotely arguing those kinds of things.

FYI I voted for Hashemi today.

Exactly. The educated, moderate Rs I know from the 90s are all Ds now.

I think they may vote D because this area is controlled by Ds so they want a say in who gets elected, but IMO, moderate Rs are probably Independents.

-former R, moderate, who is now Independent but registered as a D so I can have a say in the primaries.

This is me. Can we please just get a normal person in office who isn't a scumbag that hates immigrants and women, doesn't wear identity politics on their sleeves and isn't trying to destroy capitalism or the so-called "wealthy" (aka dual income earners).

So....just about every D candidate.

Ask a Democrat to explain what a woman is.

Who cares? No remotely moderate person cares about such benign things.

I've used the women's bathroom and women's locker room for 45 years, and have never felt unsafe or concerned. Sounds like you need some real problems in your life, pp.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is you (general) want a moderate dem to be what republicans were before the tea party and MAGA.

What you call "unhinged" is what the party should be standing for instead of chasing the right to catch voters like you.

This.

I grew up in a Republican family. The modern Democratic party is closer to the old school Repubs, than the MAGA or Tea Party types. They aren't extreme to me, and seem really moderate.

Right wing outlets will claim absurd stuff like "they want 3rd trimester abortions for all!" or "they want gender changes for 5 year olds!" but that's total BS. No Democrat is remotely arguing those kinds of things.

FYI I voted for Hashemi today.

Exactly. The educated, moderate Rs I know from the 90s are all Ds now.

I think they may vote D because this area is controlled by Ds so they want a say in who gets elected, but IMO, moderate Rs are probably Independents.

-former R, moderate, who is now Independent but registered as a D so I can have a say in the primaries.

This is me. Can we please just get a normal person in office who isn't a scumbag that hates immigrants and women, doesn't wear identity politics on their sleeves and isn't trying to destroy capitalism or the so-called "wealthy" (aka dual income earners).

So....just about every D candidate.

Um I'm not sure about that. Look at the intro statements for the dem candidates.

Bastani: $20 minimum wage and every VA resident (regardless of legal status) gets free healthcare.
Hashimi: “housing is a human right” and “LGBTQIA bigotry”/”systemic racism” are central to her campaign.
Stoney: “affordable housing crisis” and “Virginia is the capitol of compassion”

Half of them seem super left leaning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ranked choice voting will bring the moderates to the ticket!

Congress is talking about banning ranked choice voting

Ranked choice voting can be gamed. I know it's the flavor of the day, but it's a bad idea.

Cite?

Say you have three candidates - two decide to cooperate. Candidate A tells voters to vote for candidate B as their second choice. Candidate B tells voters to vote for Candidate A for second choice. What happens to candidate C? Insert demographics for the three candidates and figure that out.

Why not just have the candidate who wins the greatest number of votes, even if its a plurality?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is you (general) want a moderate dem to be what republicans were before the tea party and MAGA.

What you call "unhinged" is what the party should be standing for instead of chasing the right to catch voters like you.

This.

I grew up in a Republican family. The modern Democratic party is closer to the old school Repubs, than the MAGA or Tea Party types. They aren't extreme to me, and seem really moderate.

Right wing outlets will claim absurd stuff like "they want 3rd trimester abortions for all!" or "they want gender changes for 5 year olds!" but that's total BS. No Democrat is remotely arguing those kinds of things.

FYI I voted for Hashemi today.

Exactly. The educated, moderate Rs I know from the 90s are all Ds now.

I think they may vote D because this area is controlled by Ds so they want a say in who gets elected, but IMO, moderate Rs are probably Independents.

-former R, moderate, who is now Independent but registered as a D so I can have a say in the primaries.

This is me. Can we please just get a normal person in office who isn't a scumbag that hates immigrants and women, doesn't wear identity politics on their sleeves and isn't trying to destroy capitalism or the so-called "wealthy" (aka dual income earners).

So....just about every D candidate.

Um I'm not sure about that. Look at the intro statements for the dem candidates.

Bastani: $20 minimum wage and every VA resident (regardless of legal status) gets free healthcare.
Hashimi: “housing is a human right” and “LGBTQIA bigotry”/”systemic racism” are central to her campaign.
Stoney: “affordable housing crisis” and “Virginia is the capitol of compassion”

Half of them seem super left leaning.

PP who grew up in a solidly Republican family. For the life of me, I'll never understand what's extreme about any of those statements. They're not left leaning - they're human-care leaning. What kind of weirdo is bothered by those statements?

They are far more attractive to me than someone who runs on dividision, or further funding the military industrial complex while taking away from people-care.

[Anonymous]

Moderates can’t survive primaries. As a moderate dem every time I open my mouth about a modern or social issue I get judged harshly by more extreme dems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is you (general) want a moderate dem to be what republicans were before the tea party and MAGA.

What you call "unhinged" is what the party should be standing for instead of chasing the right to catch voters like you.

This.

I grew up in a Republican family. The modern Democratic party is closer to the old school Repubs, than the MAGA or Tea Party types. They aren't extreme to me, and seem really moderate.

Right wing outlets will claim absurd stuff like "they want 3rd trimester abortions for all!" or "they want gender changes for 5 year olds!" but that's total BS. No Democrat is remotely arguing those kinds of things.

FYI I voted for Hashemi today.

Exactly. The educated, moderate Rs I know from the 90s are all Ds now.

I think they may vote D because this area is controlled by Ds so they want a say in who gets elected, but IMO, moderate Rs are probably Independents.

-former R, moderate, who is now Independent but registered as a D so I can have a say in the primaries.

This is me. Can we please just get a normal person in office who isn't a scumbag that hates immigrants and women, doesn't wear identity politics on their sleeves and isn't trying to destroy capitalism or the so-called "wealthy" (aka dual income earners).

So....just about every D candidate.

Um I'm not sure about that. Look at the intro statements for the dem candidates.

Bastani: $20 minimum wage and every VA resident (regardless of legal status) gets free healthcare.
Hashimi: “housing is a human right” and “LGBTQIA bigotry”/”systemic racism” are central to her campaign.
Stoney: “affordable housing crisis” and “Virginia is the capitol of compassion”

Half of them seem super left leaning.

B: Pro-worker is on the progressive side, but is not “trying to destroy capitalism”.

H: Her platform is much broader than that. She’s prioritizing economy, education, housing. You’re cherry picking comments.

S: Again, you’re cherry picking.

They are all normal people with normal (boring) platforms. They all meet the PP’s criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ranked choice voting will bring the moderates to the ticket!

Congress is talking about banning ranked choice voting

Ranked choice voting can be gamed. I know it's the flavor of the day, but it's a bad idea.

Cite?

Say you have three candidates - two decide to cooperate. Candidate A tells voters to vote for candidate B as their second choice. Candidate B tells voters to vote for Candidate A for second choice. What happens to candidate C? Insert demographics for the three candidates and figure that out.

Why not just have the candidate who wins the greatest number of votes, even if its a plurality?

Apparently, the bulk of voters would prefer A or B but not C. It seems to be working as designed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is you (general) want a moderate dem to be what republicans were before the tea party and MAGA.

What you call "unhinged" is what the party should be standing for instead of chasing the right to catch voters like you.

This.

I grew up in a Republican family. The modern Democratic party is closer to the old school Repubs, than the MAGA or Tea Party types. They aren't extreme to me, and seem really moderate.

Right wing outlets will claim absurd stuff like "they want 3rd trimester abortions for all!" or "they want gender changes for 5 year olds!" but that's total BS. No Democrat is remotely arguing those kinds of things.

FYI I voted for Hashemi today.

Exactly. The educated, moderate Rs I know from the 90s are all Ds now.

I think they may vote D because this area is controlled by Ds so they want a say in who gets elected, but IMO, moderate Rs are probably Independents.

-former R, moderate, who is now Independent but registered as a D so I can have a say in the primaries.

This is me. Can we please just get a normal person in office who isn't a scumbag that hates immigrants and women, doesn't wear identity politics on their sleeves and isn't trying to destroy capitalism or the so-called "wealthy" (aka dual income earners).

So....just about every D candidate.

Ask a Democrat to explain what a woman is.

Who cares? No remotely moderate person cares about such benign things.

I've used the women's bathroom and women's locker room for 45 years, and have never felt unsafe or concerned. Sounds like you need some real problems in your life, pp.

I could care less which bathroom you use. If you can't answer a simple question, you shouldn't be in office.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is you (general) want a moderate dem to be what republicans were before the tea party and MAGA.

What you call "unhinged" is what the party should be standing for instead of chasing the right to catch voters like you.

This.

I grew up in a Republican family. The modern Democratic party is closer to the old school Repubs, than the MAGA or Tea Party types. They aren't extreme to me, and seem really moderate.

Right wing outlets will claim absurd stuff like "they want 3rd trimester abortions for all!" or "they want gender changes for 5 year olds!" but that's total BS. No Democrat is remotely arguing those kinds of things.

FYI I voted for Hashemi today.

Exactly. The educated, moderate Rs I know from the 90s are all Ds now.

I think they may vote D because this area is controlled by Ds so they want a say in who gets elected, but IMO, moderate Rs are probably Independents.

-former R, moderate, who is now Independent but registered as a D so I can have a say in the primaries.

This is me. Can we please just get a normal person in office who isn't a scumbag that hates immigrants and women, doesn't wear identity politics on their sleeves and isn't trying to destroy capitalism or the so-called "wealthy" (aka dual income earners).

So....just about every D candidate.

Um I'm not sure about that. Look at the intro statements for the dem candidates.

Bastani: $20 minimum wage and every VA resident (regardless of legal status) gets free healthcare.
Hashimi: “housing is a human right” and “LGBTQIA bigotry”/”systemic racism” are central to her campaign.
Stoney: “affordable housing crisis” and “Virginia is the capitol of compassion”

Half of them seem super left leaning.

B: Pro-worker is on the progressive side, but is not “trying to destroy capitalism”.

H: Her platform is much broader than that. She’s prioritizing economy, education, housing. You’re cherry picking comments.

S: Again, you’re cherry picking.

They are all normal people with normal (boring) platforms. They all meet the PP’s criteria.

B: $20/hour minimum wage will (next year with no transition period) will destroy many business is areas outside of Northern Virginia. That is not remotely sustainable and will create significant inflationary pressures. Universal healthcare at the state level will bankrupt Virginias government. This policy is only feasible at the federal level.
H: Seems overly focused on progressive social justice issues and will definitely support bills that allow violent criminals on the street because it’s “unfair” and thinks that criminals can be rehabilitated.
S: Is obsessed with affordable housing. He wants to override local zoning to force density and section 8 housing in peoples neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing is, in reality, there are so few extreme left politicians on the left. It's just that right has gone soooooo right anything the other way starts to look extreme.

Certainly, there is no preponderance of extreme organized, far ideology on the left as there is in MAGA and the Republican party as a whole.

This made me lol. You are delusional. The far left has as many and is as extreme as the far right. Each side grows proportionately to the conflicting extremism. Basically, extremism breeds more extremism. On both sides. It will only get worse.

This analysis is badly missing a "power" lens. Yes, there exist extreme leftists and extreme right wingers, but the extreme leftists very rarely hold state or national office. That's why you always get this analysis that looks like "An Oberlin sophomore said bahn mi is cultural appropriation" being presented alongside "President of the United States Donald J Trump (GOP) repeated white supremacist talking points today from the Oval Office, claiming that Haitians eat dogs."

But they hold local office, controlling schools and local crime enforcement, imposing extremism on both, which arguably affect people's daily lives more.